I don't understand the Hillary for President talk

[Nightjock]

I like her..... I used to love her.
My wife and I even named our first born daughter Chelsea. (Who just turned 5 years old yesterday!)

But when Hillary said we need MORE troops in Iraq she lost me. I live in New York and may cast a protest vote against her in the primary. If she got the nomination for President I would vote for her holding my nose BUT...

hasn't that "Batshit Crazy Lying Jackoff Joe" in Ct. proven that a Dem who supports the war will never win the nomination?

[Historic NY]

1. Its a mainly Republican thing...............

so they can vote against her. She is not well liked contrary to running polls.

[Cornus]

2. Hoping for LOTS of protest votes

I'm now registered to vote in NY and will be casting my vote for Tasini. I talk about him and his platform to friends as often as I can...amazes me how many people still have not heard of him and don't even realize that he's on the ballot.

[rinsd]

That happens when you run an awful campaign.

Tasini should be thanking NY1. Without their idiocy, people still wouldn't know who he is.

[Cornus]

6. Tasini's website

http://www.tasinifornewyork.org/ For those here who don't know about Tasini yet!

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[RaleighNCDUer]

4. Repubs have been touting her as the frontrunner because they

see her as the easy target. She has a mixed bag of positions, many of which i like, but having her on the ticket would have repubs digging up their long-dead grandmothers to bring to the polls to vote against her. Keep her as an effective senator, not as a toxic presidential candidate.

[noonwitch]

7. Republicans seriously underestimate her, or

they seriously overestimate her (as some kind of anti-christ).

They underestimate her political savvy, just like many here do.

If she runs in 2008, I'm voting for her. If the GOP nominates anyone but Rudy or McCain, she can win.

[rinsd]

5. Has Cynthia McKinney proven that you can't win as an anti-war candidate?

I thinbk both cases are exceptions to the rule.

Joe is pro-war but it is his constant criticism of his own party, silence on the GOP's failures and general all around political tone deafness that ultimately did him in.

Cynthia while anti-war was voted out whith her stance on the war having little to do with it.

If anti-war sentiment was the driving force, Tasini wouldn't be losing by 60+.

[MessiahRp]

8. McKinney's stance on the war had little to do with her ousting...

It was her generally bizarre and erratic behavior that created the "crazy" aura around her. Her opponent might have been very DLC-like but the point was he was white bread and plain compared to someone who had been portrayed as whacko.

Her positions had little to do with her election losses. Her character and the cartoonish nature in which she was depicted, did.

Rp

[rinsd]

9. That was my point.

That Joe-mentum's behavior rather than his war stance is what ultimatelky cost him.

[MessiahRp]

10. I don't think so in this case

Yeah he was extremely ornary with Lamont (kind of a "how dare he challenge me" attitude) during the primary but Lieberman's support of the War is what lost him that election. He might be a tad more buddy-buddy with Bush than say Hillary but if Tasini were able to get some ads out with Hillary's completely pro war stances (not too far from Joe's up until Lamonts win) on it would make a dent. She is a more powerful figure though than he is nationally and is more visible.

If we talk about regular politicians nationally there's only a few states where the 100% pro-war stance would not be crippled by an effectively run campaign from a capable opponent.

Rp

[rinsd]

11. I disagree.

Joe-mentum was a perfect storm for the netroots.

He was a socially conservative Democrat in a generally liberal state.

He was buddy buddy with Bush

He was harshly critical of his own party and its members.

He was blamed for Gore's loss.

He had an opponent with enough cash to stay in the race.

He was the prime target of the entire left blogosphere who hammered him constantly.

It wasn't just his pro-war votes. It was his saddling up to and endorsing the GOP view of the war. Not the pro-war Dem view, the GOP view.

"if Tasini were able to get some ads out with Hillary's completely pro war stances (not too far from Joe's up until Lamonts win) on it would make a dent"

What 5pts? Maybe 10pts? Have you seen Hillary's approval #'s from Dems and liberals?

[RaleighNCDUer]

12. Of course, Tasini's problems might have something to do with

him having $200,000 and Hillary having $44,000,000.

[rinsd]

13. And $32,000 of that is from himself and his wife

He's had 9 months since he declared his candidacy. If you can only raise that much as the "anti war" candidate in New York which has money and anti-war sentiment against a figure that is "supposedly" hated in NY(I say supposedly because DUers are constantly telling us how shitty and hated she is), well you are running a shitty campaign.

[paulk]

14. can you link to where HRC called for more troops in Iraq?

I know in 2003 she called for more troops in Afghanistan, and in 2004 she, along with Lindsey Graham, called for a larger military - to take the pressure off of troops serving mutiple tours in Iraq and other places.

I would really like to see a link to her call for more troops in Iraq, at the very least so that I could understand the context.

[ThomWV]

15. She Is So Divisive That She Would Lose The Presidency For The Party

Its really that simple. No Republican would vote for her and a lot of Democrats simply would not vote for President rather than vote for her. Put that combination together and virtually any Republican, even Jeb, could beat her.

And that is why she must not be permitted to take the Candidacy of our Party.

[kimmerspixelated]

16. I'm just not excited enough about Hilary

I'm tired of politicians trying to please everyone else, and not just be themselves. That's why I always loved Dean. He never seems afraid to speak his mind. Maybe the Hilary of the 60's and 70's would be someone I would vote for.

[RaleighNCDUer]

18. Uh, the Hillary of the 60s was a Goldwater Girl.

She didn't convert until after she met Bill.

[kimmerspixelated]

19. You're kidding!

I had no idea!

[Warren DeMontague]

17. That's because you obviously don't speak "exceedingly bad idea".

I think you've got the right idea with your avatar, BTW.