Lieberman on Iraq:"If we walk away..the Iranians will..take over..the oil"

[sabra]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/23/nyregion/23lieberman.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

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Mr. Lieberman also reiterated his belief that the war against terrorists could drag on for several years, and that pulling troops out of Iraq would allow the Iranian government to move in and would increase the price of oil.

“If we walk away, then the Iranians will — as sure as I am talking to you — surge into Iraq, certainly take over the south and the oil that’s there,” he said. “We’ll be paying six or seven bucks a gallon. And that’ll just be the tip of it. I mean, there’ll be instability and war throughout the Middle East. We’ve got to wake up to this. It is the test, unfortunately, of not just this generation of American leaders, but of the next generation as well, because this enemy ain’t going away.”

[ComerPerro]

1. BUT ITS NOT ABOUT OIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

right?

right?

right?


That's what Republicans kept shouting....

[SammyWinstonJack]

4. Right!

:rofl:

[Subdivisions]

35. This is so fucking absurd!

First, everybody's like "Oh yeah, they're after the oil." Then they convince the sheeple it's not about oil. Then you have the tyrant admit that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and now you got his lap boy saying that we have to protect the oil.

We have come full circle. They're after the oil. We should revolt.

[QuettaKid]

46. wait. . .

I thought it was because "Saddam tried to kill my dad" ? It wasn't ? !

[focusfan]

54. I think we could all use a vacation for a week

I know I need the rest

[bryant69]

2. That might well be true

We as good as handed Iraq to the Iranians by our invasion. While it's not a lock, it does seem clear that left to it's own devices Iraq may well drift into Irans orbit.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Subdivisions]

32. Then so be it

I would rather be plunged into the pre-industrial age than be the pawn in a gambit to control the world's oil.

Let's look at is this way. It is absolutely clear that we (humans) are having a detremental effect on Earth's climate. We have to somehow get away from oil anyway at some point because it will run out eventually.

I'd rather suffer the shock of having to grow a garden and raise livestock somehow to survive than to live in a coporate-controlled fascist state without a job and subject to their will.

[mom cat]

43. I am with you on that one. I have cut back drastically on fuel use,

mostly by conservation. Having a 70 degree house year round is a crime against nature!

[Cosmocat]

57. Friggen geniuses ....

ARROGANT, MINDLESS Fing Children ...

You would have thought that they would have thought about this BEFORE they took Saddam out ...

[ananda]

3. Or..

.. we could go ahead and manufacture cheap, alternative fuels, which is something we shoulda done years ago...

... but for oil companies and the Bush cronies who are profiting from this horrible, criminal mess.

Ho Lieberman, get a clue.

[Subdivisions]

33. Exactly!

We could manufacture fuel just as we do anything else we manufacture, for God's sake.

If we can smash an f'in atom, we can make a fuel that doesn't require crude oil. They've got us fooled into thinking that's all we have because that's all we used to have. But now we have any number of other alternatives that are much better than oil.

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[Lerkfish]

6. did anyone tell HolyJoe its not OUR oil?

[MrCoffee]

7. Psssttt...Senator, your underwear is showing.

[DinahMoeHum]

8. Well well well. . .the cat's out of the bag. . .

as to the real reason the neocons wanted this war. They want to take Iran, ultimately.

:evilfrown:

[tbyg52]

51. *We* knew that....

...now maybe a few more people do as well.

[Supersedeas]

9. Slowly...discreetly...the fundamental rationale for the War shows its ugly

face

[The Backlash Cometh]

10. Well, we've finally ferreted a truth out of Lieberman.

Just like I said before, Iraq happened because the Petrol wannabe kings Bush and Cheney found a happy marriage with the Pro-Israeli Lobbyist.

So, I say to Lieberman, nationalize the damn oil and maybe we'll give a damn.

[Human Torch]

11. HEY! WE wanted to surge into Iraq and take over the oil! Step back, Iran!

Ya know what, Joe? We're gonna be paying seven bucks a gallon no matter WHO surges into Iraq.

:silly:

[CollegeDUer]

12. How many ME boogeymen do they have exactly?

I guess the issue of what the Iraqis want is moot. The Good Americans will save the Middle East -- from itself. Even if you all have to die for it.

[Canuckistanian]

13. Wouldn't the price go down?

After all, if the Iranians took over, imposed some order and accelerated oil production, they could flood the market and drive down the price of oil.

One problem with this scenario - Dick Cheney wouldn't make any money off the deal.

[shain from kane]

19. Iran would deplete Iraqi oil as rapidly as possible, conserve their

own oil, and slow down the nuclear power conversion. Isn't it Iran's objective to convert to nuclear power to take pressure off its increasingly scarce resource, oil, so that it has a future after oil peaks?

[Canuckistanian]

23. That's my impression, too

Iranians really seem to be serious about nuclear power. If the Bush regime and the Israelis would knock off the military threats, the Iranian people themselves will evetually overthrow the repressive mullahs.

Thay were almost at that point right before the "axis of evil" fiasco.

[Spazito]

45. I agree, the moderates were gaining before bush's "axis of evil"

crap and, adding to that, the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq.

[EVDebs]

41. Plan B 2.0 shows us that world oil only has until 2031 anyway

So it's better that we change course to alternatives NOW rather than later. Besides, the Arab world, without oil looks pretty bleak, so they'd be better off befriending the West in the long run too. But religious war without end is too much fun for the idiots in charge on both sides ...

http://www.earth-policy.org/Books/PB2/PB2ch1_ss3.htm

So, after 2031 what does the world look like ?

Also, isn't Bush/Cheney's Iraq plan similar to Nixon's ?

Document reveals Nixon plan to seize Arab oil fields
'70s embargo sparked 'last resort' measure, says British memo

by Lizette Alvarez, New York Times

Friday, January 2, 2004

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/01/02/MNG8G427D61.DTL

[warrens]

14. This is why backdoor wars always backfire, JoeyJoe

You supported the war for reasons other than those given, and you know it. Your motivation was protection of Israel, the neocon vision of controlling the world's oil supply, etc., not WMD or war on terror. When you lie, people sometimes find out you lied. And then no matter what you say, it is the lie that is remembered.

It's too late to salvage this mess, Joe. Way too late. And you, along with your PNAC buddies, are to blame. You can't suddenly say, well, the war on terror and WMD were just jokes. You lied us into a war for your own reasons, and it's too late to suddenly come up with a slew of NEW reasons for continuing this mistake.

[Kahuna]

15. There is just no happy ending for this mess they've gotten us into.

Bunch of assholes and fools.

[stop the bleeding]

16. Lieberwho? n/t

[Hubert Flottz]

29. Joe lebensraum

He wants it ALL and he wants it NOW!

[newburgh]

17. Oops! Leave Repug talking points to a DINO and they'll screw it up. eom

[Virginia Dare]

18. How many lives per gallon Joe?...n/t

[Tin Man]

26. Touche!

Ain't that the truth, sister...

[htuttle]

20. He almost seems to boast of his moral and ethical corruption

War for profit, Joe? War to improve our economy, Joe? You are not only okay with it, but find it laudable and worth bragging about, as though mass murder for money was just another 'strategy'?

Banality of evil, indeed...

[Ioo]

21. Screw Him - ALWAYS REMEMBER THIS - YOU CAN NOT EAT OIL

So no matter who "owns" it, until they sell it it has no value. You can not eat it. So no matter who owns it, it will go to market. No one makes money hording oil... they make it selling it.

[Larkspur]

22. Joe, Iran doesn't have to invade Iraq, The Shiites support Iran

Iran already as economic and defense agreements with Iraq.

[Sadie5]

25. We lost Joe in 2000

It was apparent that during or right after the 2000 theft of our highest office that something wasn't right. IMOP I think that they had already made Joe an offer he couldn't turn down, and didn't seem to care that the misfit Bush was going to drive this country into the ground. He started on his bi-partisan crap right away and as time went along, he was offered even more. He likely shares in the open ended contracts and the oil profits.

[diddlysquat]

24. He keeps putting his foot in it, doesn't he?

[Hubert Flottz]

27. We've already paid 2,613 American lives Joe.

How many more should we pay? $300 billion and counting too Joe.

[Tin Man]

28. It's almost a striptease act - each day, Joe removes another Dem garment

to reveal the naked Neocon underneath the costume.

It's a beautiful thing, really - witnessing the 'Independent' Lieberman publicly align himself with Neocon postions and talking points. Keep it up, Joe - show the Connecticut voters who you, and your masters, really are.

[Jacobin]

31. He's down to plucking out pubic hair, now

Oh gawd, I need mind bleach, BAD

[Jacobin]

30. Um, maybe you idiots should have thought about that BEFORE

you fucking went to war to give Iraq to Iran.

:argh:

:argh:

:argh:

[Cha]

38. Their psyche is Strained cause

they thought there'd be flowers and mass group worshipping!

[sinkingfeeling]

34. And if we (Bush&co) keep baiting Iran, they just might turn off the tap.

[Cha]

36. And if we don't walk away all our

Soldiers will be maimed or die..which is it you little warmongering, oil lovin' whore?

[LSK]

37. uhhh, Iran has never invaded another country....

[calico1]

39. Does Joe not realize what State he is from?

This may work well in NE or OK but there just aren't enough neocon lovers in Ct. Who the hell is giving him advice and telling him that acting more Republican will get him elected? :shrug:

[OregonBlue]

40. Lots of Repukes hinting about oil lately. Do they now see this as a

big plus. Is their next line, we have to stay in Iraq for the oil. It wasn't about oil when we went in but now that oil prices are so high, it is? Will Americans vote for Repukes because secretly they knew all along it was about oil, they just didn't know it would cost so much? Several Repukes have made these comments. Are they planning on going somewhere with it or they're just putting it out there carefully to see how it will play.

What bothers me the most is, it just might work. Most Americans seem to care more about their pocketbooks than they do about honor.

[EVDebs]

42. Oil hasn't got a future, and that's the Republican sticking point

which is why "stay the course" is so obviously idiotic. Dems, who really have green alternatives, allow for a future sans oil. It's possible.

[OregonBlue]

58. Agreed. Much more money to be made by going after alternative

energy solutions. The thing is most Americans don't seem to care. They want their oil. They want everyone's oil. They think they are entitled to it. Why aren't any Dems coming out big time with Clinton's suggestion that the U.S. could lead the world again if we would put our money into new clean energy technologies?

I'm afraid that these hints being dropped by the Repukes will hit home with a lot of people who are more concerned about cheap gas than about how many young Americans and Iraqi's are going to have to die for this oil.

[The Wielding Truth]

47. "At least a war would help the economy"

Yes, I was disgusted about the number of rethugs who actually told me this when I straightened out their stories of how Iraqi's needed us to save them and how we must be protected from that monster Saddam Husein.

I recoiled in disbelief because to me war is never an answer to a slow economy.Lives mean little to these RW nuts unless they are their white and christian.

Greed is a nasty creature that creeps into careless (one paycheck from the streets) idiots.

[Jacobin]

49. They said the same fricking thing in Viet Nam

I remember a cover story in Newsweek suggesting that ending the Viet Nam war would cause a recession, so we shouldn't do it.

I'm still amazed that there are people willing to kill and maim their own countrymen and others to prop up the economy.

Expect that to be a big RW talking point. They are gutter drivel

[survivor999]

44. What oil?

Last I heard what's coming out of Iraq is almost nothing...

[Critters2]

48. Psssst, Joe....it's not about oil, remember? nt

[Jacobin]

50. Or, another way of saying this is:

The neocons and Joe Lieberman started a war to give Iraq and its oil to Iran and they succeeded.

Why should we listen to what losers and fuckups have to say anymore?

[KansDem]

52. Well, well, well...talk about "letting the cat out of the bag..."

Oft times people will blurt out embarrassing but true statements when feeling stressed out and intense pressure...

edited to add "true"

[focusfan]

53. The only reason we are there is to raise the price of oil

10.00 a barrel during the Clinton years was to cheap.The oil men were no making enough proffit that`s why no new refineries in thirty years not enough demand.They keep cutting production not increasing it and we always fall for it hook line and sinker when they say shortage.

[GeorgeGist]

55. Heads-up Joe...

"win" or "lose" we'll be paying more than seven bucks a gallon plus an $8.5 trillion debt; if people like you remain in power.

[bullwinkle428]

56. And what? Make..."oil bombs"...to use...against us?

:rofl: