Know Your Racists

[porphyrian]

Since another poster reminded me about the current incarnation of what was, long ago, simply "Klan Watch," I thought I'd pose a question to everyone. First, check out this link:
http://tolerance.org/maps/hate/index.html

Then click on your state and look at both the map and the city/county list of activity. Are these the republican-voting areas of your state, or is it too generalized to say? Florida seems to have activity both in republican and Democratic areas, although it appears that only one or two organizations appear in the latter. What do you think?

[cynatnite]

1. Oh, this is scary!

I live in NE TN :scared:

[porphyrian]

2. Remember, those are just the number of different groups...

...and I don't think there is a minimum membership for each one (I haven't read as much of the website as I should yet), so it still may be less than 50 people altogether in your area, while a single hood on its own elsewhere could represent hundreds. It would take further investigation to get the specifics. Sorry to spook you.

[YOY]

33. and this is funny:

the Klan is in DC??? THE KLAN???

I wonder why they never poke their heads out from underneath their rocks?


I guess elected Republicans need someplace to hang out when they're shipped to DC...

[porphyrian]

41. I'm sure they have a lobby there...

...but I doubt they go more than a block or two away from the touristey area.

[YOY]

46. Looks to me like they're right in Union Station

or maybe even around the Ivy City train-yard (around NY Avenue in West DC... Not exactly the 'whitest' of neighborhoods!)

I'd pay good money to see one of their little get-togethers in those neighborhoods. I would have to wear a poncho as I'm sure it would be about as clean as a Gallagher performance.

[Cleita]

3. Thanks!

I didn't bookmark this the first time around, but it's in my bookmarks now.

[porphyrian]

4. No problem. I just remember "tolerance.org".

It's a pretty good site, and I think it's good to remind people every once and a while about it.

[OhioChick]

5. Wow.......

OH has quite a few. :scared:

[EstimatedProphet]

36. Too many

[Cleita]

6. ...

:kick:

[tinfoil tiaras]

7. Alot in North Mississippi-V. Republican

& alot in the Southern part of Miss. -V. Republican

And some around Central Miss.-pretty darn Republican

There may be a conservitive citizens council scattered around the Delta (very democratic), but that's it.

Here's the map:

[hedgehog]

8. New York has 19 assorted hate groups but 72 social justice groups

I love New York!

[Broken_Hero]

9. In missouri now, 23 hate groups...

the ones closest to me

Springfield-Creativity Movement-Neo-Nazi

Nevada-League of the South-Neo-Confederate

I'm in sw missouri, about an hour and fifteen minutes away from Nevada, about 1 and a half away from Springfield.

Back in 2003, when I first got with my wife, we were heading up towards Joplin, and a greyish/black truck cut us off, and my wife went to go pass, and I was going to give the driver the finger, but noticed a line of swastika stickers all alongside the bottom part of the truck window...I kept my finger in check.

First time I have ever seen such a blantant hateful symbol, in person. I'm in Mcdonald County, and its very, very red...about 800 voting dems to about 3,000 voting repubs...

[BlooInBloo]

10. It's good to see definitive proof that racism is "just as bad"...

... in the north.

/snark

[Mountainman]

11. Is the Nation of Islam really a hate group? I never feared the Nation

of Islam nor did I ever fear any of the other groups mentioned because I am white but I would think that if the Nation of Islam was a hate group they would hate me right? I listen to speakers form the Nation of Islam and sometimes they make a lot of sense to me. I have always admired Malcolm X even before he began speaking against the Nation of Islam. I use to know members of the Black Panthers in the 60's. They were first formed to protect Malcolm 's wife in Los Angeles after he was shot. I don't see them as a hate group but then I have been out of touch for a long time.

[porphyrian]

12. They make some hateful remarks.

You can't deny the hatred that's sometimes levelled at White people, or some of the slurs against Jews Farrakhan's made. Hate is hate. Is it sometimes justified? Perhaps. But it isn't tolerant. Besides, there are people who feel the same way about, say, the Creativity Movement, who are basically neo-nazis that hate Blacks and Jews, or the Jewish Defense League who hates Arabs. Hezbollah does good things for many Arabs, but they also kill Jewish civilians. Hate is hate, and this website is just pointing it out.

[BlooInBloo]

15. Of course not. It's just white folks' attempt at "moral equivalence".

EDIT: It may be that their anti-semitism is bad enough to qualify, however. I was initially only thinking of the black/white interactions.

[porphyrian]

16. Are you trying to make a point by example? - n/t

[H2O Man]

47. The NOI

has long been associated with violence.

[citizen snips]

13. There are 35 hate groups in my state.

:puke:

[XemaSab]

14. For California

Both the liberal areas and the valley seem to have most of the organized groups. And there are a hell of a lot of them.

[Bassic]

17. Scary, but interesting.

I wonder if there is something like that for Canada.

[Spazito]

29. If so, I bet it would show up most in Alberta....

given many Albertans are virulently anti-immigrant, pro-gun, texan wannabes, etc.

[Bassic]

31. Yeah, my thoughts as well.

But I'm pretty sure we can find some in most provinces.

[Spazito]

32. No doubt, it would show up in most other provinces to a lesser

degree. It would be interesting to see how Canada would define what constituted hate groups versus the US. Would they be the same or, while having some of the same groups, define others as well.

[cali]

18. No hate groups in my very blue state of

VT, but oth there are none in N.Dakota (not blue) or New Mexico (purple).

[IronLionZion]

34. your very wonderful state

is actually smaller than many cities. I would think you need a certain concentration of like-minded individuals for that and Vermont is just too liberal and free spirited to hate in an organized fashion. Or it's just too cold and you're busy having maple syrup on your organic pancakes before a ski trip. You could always go to new york if you're itching for some hating. :silly:

[Jed Dilligan]

19. I don't recall ever getting stomped by the

Jewish Defense League, Voz de Aztlan, or Nation of Islam, I wonder do they belong on this list with the skinhead gangs?

Is Klanwatch trying to be "balanced"?

[porphyrian]

20. As I stated earlier, they are naming hate groups, which is accurate.

Just because your personal experience or the mass perception of these groups make them seem less violent, which they may or may not be, they still exhibit hatred towards others based on race, religion or cultural background, so they qualify. I find it interesting that people want to make that distinction.

[Jed Dilligan]

21. Well, I see the difference between people selling bean pies

and passing out pamphlets, and people who are looking to beat the crap out of someone. People can think what they want to think; it doesn't bother me at all that non-violent "hate groups" exist, even if they hate me. I hate people, too. I hate Bush, Cheney, and people who buy Hummers. Who cares, unless I do something about it?

[porphyrian]

25. I make that distinction as well, and I don't believe any SPEECH is wrong.

I can't say for certain that the Nation of Islam has not been responsible for inciting violence among its membership or followers, but it has violence in its past. The Klan does, too, and they are also trying to distance themselves from violent activists (at least, publically). This site just reports hate as it is reported to them, with whatever fact checking process they use. It doesn't distinguish between repeat offenders and a few bad apples once the line is crossed.

Edit: incomplete sentence

[Anita Garcia]

22. Home to David Duke and Sheriff Jack Strain

They both live in Louisiana and our Parish, St. Tammany.

[KamaAina]

38. Could someone please tell Wikipedia about Dukkke?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

He has made a number of unsuccessful political bids for higher office, including run for the Louisiana State House, Louisiana State Senate, United States Senate, United States House, governor of Louisiana and twice for president of the United States. In 2002 he pled guilty to tax evasion and fraud charges. He is a long-time New Orleans resident and the father of Erika and Kristin Duke.

:wtf: For obvious reasons, Dukkke has never lived in New Orleans proper. In his previous incarnation, when he was in the legislature and running for Senate and all :puke: , he lived in adjacent Metairie. Sorry to hear that he slithered up across the Causeway.

I didn't realize he had two daughters; were they the ones on Primetime last night, by any chance? :evilgrin:

[bbernardini]

23. Keystone State Skinheads in Chester County, PA.

Lovely. </sarcasm>

[Ishoutandscream2]

24. Frightening, but I need to know this

I simply can't keep my head in the sand. Hate exists everywhere.

[Pacifist Patriot]

26. I'm relieved to see nothing in Brevard County, but dismayed...

to see so much activity throughout the state of Florida and the rest of the country.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. Problem is...

these are just hate groups. They're irrelevant.

The problem with racists is the ones on school boards, and police departments, and on juries, and in political office, and so on.

[porphyrian]

28. Sorry, I don't agree that they are irrelevant.

The ones you mention are indeed important, and many have historically claimed membership in one of these hate groups. Officials can be fired or voted out of office. However, that doesn't change the mentality. Also, we have a major problem with institutionalized hatred - racism, classism, sexism. These have to be effectively identified and dealt with as well. None of it is irrelevant, and claiming it is trivializes the suffering of victims of hatred.

[IronLionZion]

30. Lots of urban skinheads and northern confederates

which I don't doubt. It seems the democratic city of new york has lots of hate.

[EstimatedProphet]

35. I think the biggest correlation is metropolitan areas

I looked up several states where I have lived, and almost all the activity seems to be in populated areas. This really isn't surprising, since any human activity will be higher in areas where there are people. however, I can see some dumbass freeper trying to claim that liberals are cover for hate groups since most urban areas are blue.

[porphyrian]

39. They try to frame every one of their flaws as ours first.

It's an irritatingly effective tactic so far, even when the claim is patently false, as it puts us in the position of seeming defensive if we deny it and like we have a lame argument if we say "no, you are/do." (It's too similar to "I know you are, but what am I?") I hate it, but we can't expect them to stop doing it now.

The important thing to keep in mind is that the number of different hate groups in an area DOES NOT reflect the membership numbers of those groups, nor does it necessarily address unaffiliated perpetrators.

[KamaAina]

37. Hawai'i: A Big, Fat Zero!

along with three New England states and North Dakota.

I'm not sure that's accurate, though: a few years ago, there was a Christofascist outfit called "Be Wise As Serpents" operating out of a valley above town. Ironically, we have no serpents, or any other kind of snakes in Hawai'i, which is odd considering the "Snakes on a Plane" plane is supposed to have taken off from here! :eyes:

[porphyrian]

40. Really? There are no snakes in Hawaii?

Not even introduced species? I didn't know that. Why not?

[KamaAina]

42. St. Patrick used to come here for vacations?

:sarcasm:

That's legend; there never were snakes in Ireland, either. (We do have one small indigenous snake species, but it lives underground, is blind, and would be described by a layperson as a worm.)

Actually we're working feverishly to keep the brown tree snake from coming over from Guam; it has devastated songbird populations there and also has a nasty habit of doing things like coming up through people's toilets!

Whenever some :dunce: decides to import a snake as a pet, and it (inevitably) escapes, the ensuing man, um, snakehunt is worthy of a serial murder suspect. It can dominate the headlines for days!

[porphyrian]

44. Heh, yeah, snakes coming up through toilets can do that.

;)

[Czolgosz]

43. Speaking of racism, we do we tolerate a comic strip that depicts jews like

this:



and who depicts Asians like this:



How is it that these racial caricatures are acceptable in over 400 mainstream newspapers?

[porphyrian]

45. Characitures are often stereotypical, but that doesn't necessarily...

...make them hateful. It depends entirely on the context.

It is also important to note that my opinion is much more liberal than others on the subject - some people believe censorship in cases like this is acceptible and/or warranted.

[Czolgosz]

48. I don't propose censorship. I question the public's acceptance of "Mallard

Fillmore" and its pattern of racial caricatures in mainstream newspapers across America.

Do I want "Mallard Fillmore" censored? Certainly, not.

Do I wish that such crass racial stereotypes were not acceptable to the values of newspaper publishers and, more importantly, to the values of Americans who buy newspapers? Absolutely.

Have I seen so many Rumsfeldt press conferences that I have taken to asking myself questions and then answering them as if this was a normal mode of discourse? Evidently.

[porphyrian]

49. Heh, changing minds is one of the hardest things to do.

Second, maybe, to bad habits. ;)