HBO (Spike Lee) Katrina Parts 3 and 4 Starting Now

[ThomWV]

[Olney Blue]

1. Thank you, ThomWV.

[davidwparker]

2. Got it on and ready to type. Is this the official thread for this evening?

[Olney Blue]

4. I'm here if you are!

[MadMaddie]

3. I still have part 2 to watch......part 1 was hard...

[IChing]

5. This doesn't look that much easier either

actIII

starts now.

[Olney Blue]

9. The New Orleans Hot8 Brass Band- they are raising money for

the rebuilding back home.

[tnlefty]

6. I don't receive HBO so I can't watch! Hoping that there will be a DVD

release soon!!

Please share what you can. Watching C-span's Washington Journal this week has been difficult for me.

[davidwparker]

8. It should be on DVD.

[tnlefty]

26. Please let me know if you are aware of a DVD release in the near future!!

Just in case I miss it! :hi:

[cannibals are neat]

7. sorry

watching Dirty Jobs. Then again, I don't have premium channels...

[LibraLiz1973]

10. Guarantee we hear Babs Bush be a bitch (n/t)

[Mabus]

32. It's coming up n/t

[IChing]

11. vote it up people

for the people

[davidwparker]

15. Amen to that.

[IChing]

18. Amen n/t

[Sydnie]

19. Done n/t

[Mabus]

36. Just gave it #5

[davidwparker]

12. right now, there talking about family members trying to find other

family members who have been disbursed.

[Olney Blue]

13. Harry Belfonte has been the voice of America's conscience, IMHO.

[Sydnie]

14. Thank You Thom

Just tuned in ... late but here.

[Olney Blue]

16. "George Bush doesn't care about black people"- Kanye West

I will never forget that moment. It was the most honest moment of television I have ever seen.

[davidwparker]

17. Going over West's Bush hates black people comment.

[IChing]

20. Fuck you Cheney!!!!!!!!!!

[Mabus]

23. Dr. Ben

:woohoo:

[Generic Other]

113. He was banned from DU

For being annoying. Go Dr. Ben!

[Blue_Tires]

129. he was banned?

i do remember him being here....

it would have been nice to have his perspective on this thread

[davidwparker]

21. They are interviewing the guy who told Chenney to go F himself.

[Olney Blue]

22. OMG, the guy that say go f*ck yourself to Cheney is on!!!!!!

[davidwparker]

24. What a patriot.

[Olney Blue]

25. It's the blue Disney world Bush speech.

People got excited about the power, but it was just there for the Chimp's media event.

[IChing]

27. President Bush can kiss my ass

[Olney Blue]

28. Man, she was great- woman was standing on her vacant lot holding

a drink and telling Bush on down to kiss her ass- what was left of it.

[cannibals are neat]

29. Spike Lee

is a sellout. Otherwise, he would have given the rights to PBS, not the highest bidder, HBO. If he really cared, he would want it to reach the most people possible.

[erinlough]

38. Maybe HBO gave him freedom to tell it like he wanted to

PBS has restraints now

[cannibals are neat]

53. PBS

shows what they want minus the language. The images from this tragedy are enough. Cussing doesn't make anymore of an impact than the images and video do. People saying "fuck you, Cheney," doesn't add to anything. Show it on PBS, or release it straight to DVD...I don't care. Just make it available to more people if you actually care...Hell, let one of the "caring" studios make it free to the public on DVD or video...

[LibraLiz1973]

42. You dont know what your talking about.....

all proceeds go to Katrina victims.
and frankly they could not have shown this on PBS- he showed ALOT and there is major cursing

[Olney Blue]

51. I thought you were watching Dirty Jobs.

[cannibals are neat]

54. I am

because I don't have HBO.

[misanthrope]

125. More people watch HBO...

...than PBS. HBO probably has much deeper pockets, too.

[davidwparker]

30. Citizens talking about how they objected to being called refugees. Want

to know when they stopped being Americans.

[Sydnie]

31. I hated that the media branded the people refugees

That pissed me off then and it pisses me off now.

[Mabus]

39. Refugees and thugs, two of the negative images perpetuated

It pisses me off still too.

[Sydnie]

33. Al Sharpton taking abour Bab's and her trash talk!

Go Al Go!

[davidwparker]

37. Go Al. I would like to her alot of him. He tells it like it is. Appauling

behavior from an illegal, immoral administration.

[Olney Blue]

34. "Refugee" became unacceptable- Al Sharpton made the appeal to

stop using that term.

OK, now he talks about Barbara Bush's insensitivity. Go Al.

[erinlough]

35. I watched every minute while it was happening

now my husband and I are watching again and I still can't wrap my head around the fact that this happened here. I hate this administration with every fiber of my being and I don't feel too forgiving of anyone who voted them in. I can't believe we think other countries should welcome our brand of democracy....

I am so ashamed.

[Olney Blue]

41. Me too, erinlough. We need to change our country.

[erinlough]

44. I have to try harder

I have given and preached until I'm blue. I confront the repubs that surround me. I talk to people at gas stations (very receptive audience)but it's not enough. I'm up for revolution.

[Sydnie]

48. I am in the same mental frame of mind as you

I want my country back NOW!

[blue cat]

50. Same here. n/t

[IChing]

40. We are All Refuges Now from the America we Loved

[Sydnie]

43. How true and how sad

:cry:

[Mabus]

62. To be a refugee implies you have escaped

We didn't escape from the evil empire, we're stuck in it.

[IChing]

77. My condo was arsoned during this time and then flooded by the workers

when they broke a main pipe in the adjoining wall but my problems were nothing to this

But right now My neighbor just came over right now and watched 20mins with me and had to leave.

She was too broken up.

[Olney Blue]

45. So much uncertainty about the future.....

[Sydnie]

46. Hope is not a plan and 2 be continued

GREAT messages from the people!

[MoseyWalker]

47. My heart has been trying to cry

for a year now. My eyes have been letting loose with the tears almost nonstop. Maybe I really needed this.

[Olney Blue]

64. It's impossible not to cry watching this. That older woman seeing her

house for the first time... her son had to hold her up.

[fooj]

83. .

:grouphug: You are in the right place. (((((((hugs))))))

[Olney Blue]

49. "Next time we are to vote for someone who cares."

A sign painted on some debris....

[uppityperson]

131. Here is a picture of that. Sept 17, 2005

[blue cat]

52. My boss said that Bush didn't go to LA

right away because you have to move on. Of course I said I didn't agree. So does it show anything that substantiates her arguement? I hope someone brings it up tomorrow.

[Olney Blue]

56. What did your boss mean by "move on'? Bush or Louisiana?

btw, my sympathies for having a boss like that

[davidwparker]

57. What's meant by "move on?" It doesn't say why he didn't go there

right away. By his actions, he didn't care. He knew Katrina was bad before it happened. Video shows he was being told. He uses black people, but doesn't care about black people.



.

[ThomWV]

58. In Order To "Move On" You Must First Have Been Somewhere

You can not go from a place you've never been.

[LibraLiz1973]

70. I'd also like to add

That he's never been to fucking anxious to move on from 9/11. He uses that shit like a get out of jail free card.

[LibraLiz1973]

61. Lets talk Presidential responsibility/History- with LBJ as a model

What kind of person says that?

NO it doesn't show anything to substantiate her argument.
He's the fucking PRESIDENT (ok- we all know he wasn't elected BUT)
he's not supposed to be moving on- he's supposed to be doing his fucking job and helping.


One of the facts that was brought up last night was that in 1965 hurricane Betsy hit on September 9.
President Johnson was on the ground on September 10..... THE NEXT DAY. While there was still no power.


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In a somewhat impulsive, questionably dangerous, and rather extraordinary politically-driven decision, then President Lyndon Johnson flew Air Force One to New Orleans to view the destruction first hand only three hours after being asked to do so by Senator Russell Long of Louisiana and just one day after Betsy’s landfall. Indeed, Betsy was still blowing around Baton Rouge, Louisiana, preventing the President from going up there for a look see, as he had planned


Johnson’s experience during that visit is also recorded in his “Daily Diary”, as follows:

<5:36 p.m.Central Time Zone> “The members of the Presidential party had seen from the air a previews of the city—water over ¾ of the city up to the eaves of the homes, etc….and estensive damage to the harbors, etc. At this point, the party would move in to the city to see for first hand just how much damage had actually occured. The motorcade departed the airport—and the President and party motored into the City proper. At this point <5:40 p.m.>, the motorcade stopped, though the President did not get out of the car. Two schools were located on both sides of the street—that were being used as refugee centers. The motorcade stopped again on a bridge and this time did depart from the limousine. The press scouried around the President and members of his party as they looked over both sides of the bridge below at the water that had engulfed the neighborhoods. People were walking along the bridge where they had disembarked from the boats that had brought them to dry land. Many of the people were carrying the barest of their possessions and many of them had been sitting on top of their houses waiting for rescue squads to retrieve the families and carry them to dry land—and to food and water.

“The President stopped and talked w/some of them—among them a gentleman by the name of William Marshall—a 74 year old Negro man. The President asked him how he was and they chatted for while —the man leaving the President saying—“God bless you, Mr. President—God ever bless you.” The motorcade soon departed and returned into the city…enroute stopping at Washington High School on St. Claude’s Avenue. The President again left his car and walked into the building that was being used as a refugee center. Most of the people inside and outside of the building were Negro. At first, they did not belive that it was actually the President. He walked up steps leading in to the school and the only light was that of a few flashlights lighting the way for him.

“The President would stop and talk w/ a few of them in the school…It was a mass of human suffering. They were crowded into the school w/their families gathered around them. Calls of “water-water-water” were resourced over and over again in terribly emotional wails from voices of all ages. The President left the building and in front of it, called for Hon. Buford Ellington to come to him and asked him to send water to them immediately. He also suggested to the Mayor Victor Schiro that the soft drink companies in New Orleans make available the bottled soft drinks (since the water had to be boiled- and not electricity was available—contamination could set in.) The Mayor agreed to check into the possibilities of this.


http://www.semp.us/biots/biot_327.html

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The thing about Bush is that he's turned his voters into a bunch of idiots.
They are always in the position of having to make excuses for him- like a bad child. They know he's in the wrong, they are just to ashamed and to ASLEEP to admit it.
It just contributes more to the dumbing down of America.

[erinlough]

55. I volunteer with a group

that travels around the country all summer (drum corps) and we sleep in schools on their gym floor. When I see what America lets their children spend 7 hours of the day in every year I am amazed. I have seen schools where we had to cover ourselves with sheets to keep the cockroaches from making into our sleeping bags (NY) and where pieces of the ceiling tile fell on you at night (Georgia). I even asked a janitor if they were renovating and he just laughed. We talk a lot in this country about caring about kids.....we do not care or we would fund schools (OURS) at least as well as we have promised to fund Iraq. Again another shame on America.

[Olney Blue]

59. According to Bush, the kids should just be glad to be alive

because he protected them from the terrorists.

[Sydnie]

63. "It's like someone violated your mama"

Ain't that the truth!

[erinlough]

65. so true it hurts n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

119. That is my rant

I am a teacher and I have said this very thing many many times. We don't value kids and we don't value education in this country. That just makes me ill.

[davidwparker]

60. now showing elderly black woman returniing to her destroyed home.

you know she's a lot with the racism in this country in her life. now, she has to look at her destroyed house at her age. this is sad. I wonder how she is doing now.

[Olney Blue]

69. It looked like she was loved by the people with her- I hope she is OK.

[fooj]

66. Spike Lee is doing this country a great service...

he's making us look at TRUTH. As horrific and heartwrenching as it is...it is OURS.

OMG. What have we become? :cry:

[cannibals are neat]

73. he's

making the people who (or who's parents) can afford HBO look at the truth.

[Mabus]

67. The trauma of the children and other survivors

Bush is fucking up so many generations of people in so many ways.

[LibraLiz1973]

68. "Not as seen on TV"

"Destroy this Memory"
(on the side of someones home)

Things spray painted by the survivors

[Olney Blue]

71. Post-traumatic stress and depression. The effects go on....

People who didn't actually die in the hurricane, died.

[OwnedByFerrets]

72. If you dont cry when watching this documentary

you have NO heart and you probably have no soul. I can barely see to type this for the tears for these victims of the US governments failure.:banghead:

[Sydnie]

74. I know just what you mean.

Damn them to hell for what they didn't do. I feel just as I did when it happened ... angry and helpless to offer comfort ... because we, the people, have no power anymore. :cry: :mad: :cry:

[erinlough]

75. I agree

sometimes I think the loss of soul is the whole problem in this country. Money has replaced our souls.

[davidwparker]

76. Agreed.

I think criminal negligence is a high crime and misdemeanor. What this country needs is for the Dems to take both houses and then have hearing after hearing in front of the world to clean house. Spring cleaning on this administration.

[aaronbees]

128. I cried during both nights for the first time in a long time...

especially when a man (I think his name was Terence Blanchard) described how his father was treated by the insurance agent and how important owning that home had been. And how post-Katrina his father, who'd worked tirelessly for decades and paid his premiums like everyone else, got nothing, just nothing. That was hearbreaking, as were so many of the stories.

But mostly, I felt unmitigated rage for all two hours, clenching my fists in rage at how these people were treated.

[Olney Blue]

78. Mardi Gras, 2005

Some of the signs and T-shirts were brilliant.
"I gave to Katrina... the house, the car"

[Sydnie]

81. Fema Evacuation Plan

Run Mother Fuckers, Run

How true was that? I want one of those shirts!

[LibraLiz1973]

79. You know DAMN WELL they downplayed those

death numbers.


Fuckers

[davidwparker]

85. had too. estimates were a lot higher at the time.

[LibraLiz1973]

87. Didn't they order like 40 thousand body bags????? (n/t)

[Olney Blue]

90. and Liars.

[derby378]

80. Ugh - the documentary referred to Fort Worth as "Forth Worth"

Weren't there any proofreaders for this joint? I know it's a monumental task, but sometimes you've got to sweat the details.

[Olney Blue]

82. OMG, the body of this young guy's Mom was under the refrigerator.

Alot of the houses were not properly searched, and mistakenly had a 0 on the X outside the home.

[erinlough]

84. You know I've had freepers say

that in other disasters people didn't wait for help they helped themselves. In the case of Katrina the government actually prevented people from helping themselves. So many people could have been employed cleaning up rather than hiring contractors. They sent them away and didn't let them home to help. This administration operates just like the Soprano family. Every time I see anything about Katrina I remember the Soprano's sitting at a work site doing nothing but sitting under umbrellas waiting to get paid. The administration is a crime family, I'm sure of it.

[OwnedByFerrets]

86. Freepers can go

fuck their god-damned selves. I dont hate easily, but I hate anyone who belittles this tragedy.

[erinlough]

88. I have most effectively removed them from my life

if they choose to stay they know very well they need to shut up around me. I'm not very nice anymore.

[davidwparker]

89. it was another opportunity to funnel money to Halliburton. I

remember contractors were hired to feed the people there. With the cooks and cooking that goes on in N.O., locals weren't hired, but contracted out. I believe that was the why * cancelled the Davis-Bacon act. So that outside contractors could charge more.

[bvar22]

99. So that contractors could charge more....

...but MOST importantly, so that they didn't have to pay minimum wage!!!!!

BTW: (I'm not watching) Has Spike mentioned that the USA is dumping $2Billion Dollars per WEEK into the Iraq???

[Sydnie]

102. It has been mentioned by several people so far. n/t

[Olney Blue]

91. The town meeting- people want to go home, but there is nothing

[davidwparker]

92. Woman said she will get electricity when she gives someone a BJ

You go girl. Laugh rather than cry.

[LibraLiz1973]

110. I love her- she said some VERY ballsy stuff

through the entire documentary

[aaronbees]

130. I loved her....

and the other woman who said if she'd had drugs when in the airport she would've smoked 'em; just great humor in absurd situations ... in order to survive. Sometimes you have to laugh or it will kill you. :(

[Olney Blue]

93. People waited months for trailers, no power in many.

FEMA failed.

[Olney Blue]

94. "Politicians need to remember who they are working for"

[Olney Blue]

95. Is water damage from Katrina coverable?

A law suit was filed against the insurance companies.

[davidwparker]

97. It should be. Hurricans don't bring dry wind. I live on the coast and that

is a concern of mine. Insurance companies are shameful. We need new management in this country and laws to keep corporate greed down.

[Sydnie]

101. Insurance companies have preemptively been canceling

policies all over Cape Cod. They are telling the home owners that they are in a low flood plane and could be wiped out by a hurricane and are canceling them outright.

Once one company cancels you, it's damn near impossible to find another company to cover you too.

[davidwparker]

118. from the documentary, it was saying that global warming's affect

will be to produce North Carolina conditions further up the coast.

[cannibals are neat]

103. Yes

It is ridiculous that hurricane insurance doesn't cover floods, when floods are a part of a hurricane. Even more ridiculous is that you can only make a claim against hurricane insurance once, much like homeowner's insurance. Yet, if you live in an area prone to hurricanes, you are required by law to have hurricane insurance.

[Yavin4]

108. The People Run The Government of the Netherlands

The corporations run the government of the U.S.

Thus, policies there are made in the interest of the people.

Policies here are made in the interest of the coporation.

That's it and that's all.

[misanthrope]

126. THAT'S the bottom line**nm

*

[davidwparker]

120. Welcome to DU.

[cannibals are neat]

123. thanks

[davidwparker]

96. Now, homeowners finding out insurance companies don't want to

honor claims. Arguing that damage was from water, not the hurricane (wind). Shameful.

[moc]

98. Fuck the insurance companies.

Special circle of hell indeed.

:mad:

[davidwparker]

100. Bulldozing down the 9th ward. White people want to take it.

[Olney Blue]

104. Netherlands levee system is shown as a potential model.

BUT NOTHING IS MOVING FAST ENOUGH.

[tjdee]

105. I'm so glad they're talking about the Netherlands being below sea level.

This is such an important point.

[davidwparker]

107. 65%

[davidwparker]

106. Showing Netherlands levee system and one of our engineers was

embarrassed about what N.O. had. Showed a clip of windmills to get electricity. Those socialist Europeans. :sarcasm:

[tjdee]

109. America is so often lately looking like a big jackass.

And I'm sick of it.

Embarrassing for sure.

[Sydnie]

112. Heartbreaking

This is NOT the place I was born in.

[Olney Blue]

111. Thank you, Mr. Lee.

[LibraLiz1973]

115. I'm still crying- it's like my inner levee broke

Most is just outright anger at what these people are being put through IN AMERICA

[Olney Blue]

121. And they are still suffering... we need a regime change starting in Nov

and then in 2008. Katrina alone should run this administration out on a rail.

[davidwparker]

114. For those on the west coast, be sure to catch this. It was excellent.

You'll be angry, but we needed to be reminded of this. It was worse than we saw on TV.

[Sydnie]

116. and still continues to be worse than we know n/t

[IChing]

117. "In the End It’s a Matter of Simple Justice"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1964494&mesg_id=1964494

[bdamomma]

122. Well, thank you Spike Lee

now if everyone gets to see this. Is this the country and government we want, a government who does not take care of its' people, shameful, no one NO ONE should go through what those people had to endure in the Gulf States. No one should be left without a home and no help or no hope. Katrina is a wound that will take years to heal.

I don't know what to say, I was tearful and angry watching this documentary for what this government has done to these people and their lives.

[mnhtnbb]

124. Spike Lee has created a marvelous documentary. It's about people.

The Republicans don't get it. They just don't get it because they have no feeling for people. They are completely unempathic. It's practically a requirement to join the GOP.

They don't empathize with the Lebanese people. They don't empathize with the Iraqi people. They don't empathize with the citizens of their own country losing homes, history, family, jobs, neigborhoods, churches, culture--everything--and then being treated like nothing more than a nuisance by their own government.

I'm so glad Spike Lee included that comment from Barbara Bush. That has to stand as one of the most unempathic things I've ever heard. No wonder Bushie boy is such a POS. What a pathetic excuse for a mother.

[Lars39]

127. I had read of her comments before,

but actually seeing and hearing her say them gives them a whole new level of callousness.