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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:48 PM
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Where the hell is this money coming
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 06:57 PM by serryjw
from. Iraq, Afganistan and NOW $230 Million to help re-build Lebanon? How the fuck are we ever going to get out of this mess. They are selling your children's futures not to mention the SS & Medicare of the Boomers.
http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2006/08/the_war_preside.php
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:49 PM
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1. They throw money around
They've spent money that the country doesn't even have and still have the nerve to call liberals big spenders.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:49 PM
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2. We aren't. Those broadshouldered grandkids are gonna have to tote
that barge and lift that bale...
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:53 PM
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So where is the $250 Billion
To re-build a great American city. This is a racket. Lets blow up countries and them re-build them with the RW (donor) contractors, that can rip off the US Treasury even more by their overcharged bills.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 07:01 PM
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8. As long as the Monkey is at sixteen hundred Penn, and he's holding
a VETO pen against a Democratic legislature, that ain't happening.


Perhaps NO could secede from the Union and affiliate with Iraq...then perhaps some of that dough might come her way...
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mucho macho Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 07:07 PM
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11. what is the sense
What is the sense of rebuilding NO at all in its present location?? IMHO, its a total waste of money. Move it inland, at least above sea level, THEN REBUILD. Its like the RW rednecks who keep rebuilding thier shacks along the river, time after time, flood after flood. Simply senseless and a waste of money IMHO. Let the flames begin!
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 07:18 PM
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14. Fix the levees
They lasted a century. Restore the marshlands....isn't this possible?
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 07:34 PM
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15. Hey--I agree with you. What's wrong with rebuilding OUR
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 07:35 PM by snappyturtle
country, no matter the cost? We do need to listen to the Dutch and those that really know something about levees. After watching Spike Lee's show last night, it's obvious the only thing saved was the French Quarter and other business interests. To hell with the little people. The rich can always get Mexican immigrants to fill in where the little people have for eons. :sarcasm: AND....your most important point....restore the wetlands or marshes.....that has to be done to save the lower Mississippi River Valley.

Check out what the gov't is spending now for what?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1963193#1963193

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mucho macho Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 07:43 PM
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18. levees cant stop a cat5 n/t
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 08:54 PM
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19. Governor Blanco
and the army corp of engineers disagree
quote.......
1.4 BUILD THE INDUSTRIAL CANAL LEVEE TO WITHSTAND A CATEGORY 5 HURRICANE
We know that levees can be built to withstand Category 5 hurricane forces as the Mississippi River levees, where built to such standards, withstood the ravages of Hurricane Katrina. We demand that the Industrial Canal levees are built to withstand Category 5 hurricane forces.

We also know that there is international support to provide resources and material to build the Industrial Canal levee to withstand Category 5 hurricane forces. If our government will not construct the levee to protect us against Category 5 hurricane forces, we demand the government allow our international supporters to provide the resources and materials to protect our lives and our property.

end quote......
http://cluonline.live.radicaldesigns.org/?p=93
quote.......
There was, at the same time, a growing recognition that more research was needed to see what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. But once again, the money was not there. As the Times-Picayune reported last Sept. 22:

end quote....
http://www.alternet.org/story/24871
I heard the representative of Army Corp of Engineers on TV after Katrina. He said it could be done if they went deeper and higher, BUT the money was re-channeled to Iraq.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 09:23 PM
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20. Good explanation of what we have done to the marshes
quote......
The role of wetlands as buffers against extreme weather conditions is especially critical. This became apparent in Louisiana when hurricane Katrina hit the state in 2005. More than 148,000 acres of Louisiana wetlands had been destroyed due to construction during the last decade alone, weakening the inland’s defense against the storm. Katrina caused the loss of an additional 30 square miles of wetlands during its 36-hour assault.

Wetland restoration and preservation is a priority of many government and non-government organizations around the world, and they can use your help. When you do, you'll be assisting in the preservation and restoration of some of the most biologically diverse and sensitive areas of the world.

end quote.....
http://www.charityguide.org/volunteer/vacation/wetlands.htm

Excellent article. This is just another example of how we are destroyed this planet for 'progress'. There are consequences to our behavior.
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mazzarro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:53 PM
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3. It is $230M not $230B -- n/t
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:56 PM
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6. You are correct
but wait for the sucking sound...It's coming from US contractors serving *. It's only the beginning. Even in Lebanon you can't re-build a country for chump change. We have spent billions and have accomplished nothing in Iraq.
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Dick Diver Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:53 PM
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4. ummm, it's $230 Million n/t
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 07:08 PM
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12. agreed what is $230 million going to rebuild?
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 07:09 PM by pitohui
like 4 skyscrapers, that's it? the beau rivage in biloxi alone cost $800 million to build

to me it sounds like the usa is trying to get off cheap in the reconstruction just like on the gulf coast

they have no sense of what it costs to rebuild entire towns and cities

this is just a smokescreen so the stupid people will think they're doing something, w.out the bother of actually doing anything
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:53 PM
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5. We stair blankly into a huge blackhole.
That sucking sound? It's the Repukes spending and spinning and spending and spinning and spending and spinning...one day it will not be possible to inflate even artificial money sources to a certain point. The whole country will become inviable and the federal infrastructure will finally crumble into dust.
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TheCentepedeShoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 07:00 PM
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7. A million, a billion
pretty soon it starts to add up to real money. Somebody said that, help me here.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 07:03 PM
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9. Senator Everett McKinley Dirksen
Researchers have been unable to track down the quotation most commonly associated with Dirksen. Perhaps he never said it, but the comment would have been entirely in character. Cautioning that federal spending had a way of getting out of control, Dirksen observed, “A billion here and a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money."

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/Senator_Everett_Mckinley_Dirksen_Dies.htm
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 07:16 PM
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13. Our boy TIP
quote......
"A billion here and a billion there and pretty soon you're talking real money!"
Former Speaker of the House Tip O'Neil.

end quote.......
http://www.coastalpost.com/04/03/06.htm
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 07:04 PM
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10. Chinese counterfeit $100 bills?
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 07:39 PM
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16. Off topic: Cute, darling, precious kitty there! nt
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 07:39 PM
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17. How much is missing from Iraq?
That was my first thought when I saw all those greenbacks, all that cash American being given out. Where the hell did it all come from... and where did all those billions of dollars missing from Iraq go?

Hmmm...
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