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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 05:28 PM
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5 years later: How has nine eleven changed everything?
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 05:28 PM by Philosoraptor
Did it change everything, or nothing? Did you learn the "lessons" of nine eleven? How did it affect you personally? Politically? Psychologically?

What's the difference between the Sept. 10th and the Sept. 11th, 2001 world?

And how will it affect the next 5 years?
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 05:31 PM
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1. 9-11 didn't really change anything...
...but the government/media response to it sure as hell did. Its that which has changed my life, in a negative way. I've never really been that scared of getting killed by terrorists, and if you look at the numbers this makes sense. But I sure as hell am scared of totalitarian governments, and if you look at the numbers this also makes sense (take 20,000,000 dead in soviet russia verses 3,000 dead from 9/11)
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 05:32 PM
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2. Replugs will keep pushing it
It got me watching the towers fall PTSD kick back in for a while. Bottem line replugs have not made this country safer at all
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 05:32 PM
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3. It enabled the neocons to...
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 05:33 PM by Kutjara
...successfully push the repressive social and political agenda that they'd repeatedly failed to achieve during the Clinton years. I remember all the surveillance, Clipper chip, wiretapping and other police-state legislation that came up again and again in Congress throughout the 90s, only to be narrowly defeated by concerted action by civil liberties groups.

Then 9/11 happened and that fascist crap just sailed through Congress without touching the sides. Voila! Welcome to Orwell-land.

In five years, we've rolled back fifty years of social progress.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 05:32 PM
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4. On 9/11 the great "unwashed" masses
... officially gave power to the fool selected POTUS by the SCOTUS.

Allowing him to run amuck and wreak havoc on an unsuspecting country and world
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 05:36 PM
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5. 9/11 was the greatest gift * could have asked for. n/t
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 05:44 PM
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6. It gave the Bush White House an excuse to be a dictator.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 05:45 PM
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7. Well, the Reichstag is still on fire.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 05:47 PM
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8. Without 9-11, there would be no BFEE/PNAC dictatorship
There would only be an unpopular fool president who would've lost by such a landslide in 2004, it would've been hard to Diebold.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:05 PM
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10. Exactly right!
Our current government is a dictatorship. We are no longer under the rule of law. We are living in a centralized police state.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 05:47 PM
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9. It got Bush re-elected, which meant that he was able to put two justices
on the Supreme Court (so far). This, I believe, will have far reaching effects.
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:06 PM
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11. That's an interesting question...
...and I was just thinking about that and talking with friends about that a few days ago.

A little background - on 9/11/01, I left for work at about 9:30am. Sweetie and I had just moved into our Brooklyn apartment on 9/01/01. When I got to the subway on the corner, I could see the WTC burning. A bunch of people were standing around and nobody really knew what had happened. I turned around and rushed back home to turn on the TV. In the three blocks that it took me to get home, these three thoughts went through my mind:

1. It was Islamic terrorists.
2. Our government (and the Bush Crime Family - I've been watching them since Silverado) will be found complicit.
3. This changes everything.

Really, that's how my brain said it to myself, "this changes everything." When that became part of the lexicon, I was disappointed that I didn't hold a copyright on that phrase, because it's been used to death. This changes everything, and yet it didn't.

Personally? Everything in my life is pretty much exactly the same as it was 4 years and 11 months ago. I'm in the same apartment with the same Sweetie going to the same job for the same money. Oh, we have different clothes and hairdos, and we've done some very creative things in that time, but the last 5 years have represented the LEAST amount of change on a personal level that I've ever experienced. It's strange, really, a form of stasis. And, I believe that TERROR is the cause. Because it's not just me. It's not just me and Sweetie. Lots of people seem to be living from day to day in a way that is different from "before everything changed." People, at least people that I know, seem to be less willing to make big commitments or life changes than before. I'm not the only one who's noticed this, others have made comments along those lines. We have a lot of fun around here, but we don't really change.

Understand, I'm not complaining. I consider myself to be VERY lucky. And I've told myself that more since 9/11/01 than all the rest of my life put together. If I had been the same person living in New Orleans rather than New York (which would not have been out of the question, I considered living there) I would probably be saying something very different! I'm lucky, and when something does blow up somewhere, I feel lucky to be alive.

On a larger scale, I do believe that everything HAS changed, and here's how I think it's changed. In the before time, it was assumed that somehow we are all mostly in this together. In the changed times, it is assumed that we will not all make it through. Does that make sense? Pandora's Box has been opened, and the killing has begun in earnest. When the killing is over, there will probably be about 2-3 billion people left on the planet. Maybe fewer. It picks up a little steam each month, as a new front is opened. I don't really know anyone who disagrees with that.

In the before time, people would react in horror to an incident of large-scale killing, and people would agree that it was bad. In the now time, we tend to recoil not in horror, but in hopes of ignorance. I just don't want to know is a more common reaction than oh my god!

Or something.

...That's all I got for now...
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:07 PM
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12. 9/11 forced George Bush to change...
... his underwear

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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:12 PM
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13. 9/11 changed everything. We've lost our freedom & we've lost truth
and we've lost people because of it and in the name of it....

9/11 was beyond a doubt a LIHOP/MIHOP event that * & Co have used at every turn for their own benefit at the cost to the people of this country. It changed this country forever and will continue to do so unless those behind it are exposed! :grr:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:52 PM
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14. Whether it has or hasn't, Katrina changed it BACK!
I don't care what the knuckledraggers say. Katrina changed it all BACK.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 02:46 AM
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15. It made a segment of America even more bizarre than they were before
It allowed Chimpy and his minions to get a complete stranglehold on the US and get away with far more of his insidious plots than they would have otherwise.

It turned the US from a land of freedom, prosperity and general good-will to one of near police-state status, hideous debt and ever increasing paranoia.


I can safely say that had Clinton or a similar Dem been at the helm on 9/11 things would not be this effed up right now.
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