If a Democrat is pres. & we're attacked, repubs will DEMAND Impeachment.

[Philosoraptor]

If a Democrat is elected president in 08, and another terror attack occurs,
the republicans will go into total outrage impeachment mode, blaming
the Democratic president for failing to protect us from the terrorists.

They will DEMAND that the war, which bush has promised will still be going on,
be immediately stopped, and all troops brought home, and they will say that the
Democratic president is putting our boys in harm's way for no good reason.

They will accuse the Democratic president of treason and high crimes and
they will demand investigations into war crimes and they will DEMAND
impeachment daily and loudly and indignantly to be sure.

They will do as we should have, but failed to do.

[warrens]

1. Let's make sure they're in the minority by then

Get out and work for a candidate in a close race. I'm in Chicago and am going out every weekend to help Bean, Duckworth and two others. We're going to take at least three Repuke seats here; just need about 13 more nationwide and we own the house.

Only six Senate seats, and we own the Senate.

And then we completely ignore the Repukes for the next 20 years.

[ClassWarrior]

3. Bingo. I'm so sick of these wailing-and-gnashing-of-teeth threads.

Do something, dammit.

NGU.

[Dr Fate]

10. "Do something, dammit."

I dont think on the ground actvists or the average DUers are the ones that need to be told that.

The OP IS doing something- he is putting out the wild, crazy, nutty idea that ELECTED Democrats need to fight Republicans in the same manner that they fight us.

"Do something, dammit" needs to be said to elected Democrats with media access, not to the ground activists.

I agree with you that DUers need to do more than just complain, but I also know that if Democrats acted more aggressive, you would not have a problem with that.

Be honest- if a Democratic strategist was on TV saying what the OP said, would you be glad or would you complain that "he needs to do something?"

[ClassWarrior]

12. Of course I wouldn't have a problem if the Dems...

...acted more aggressive. You know me well enough to know that. My problem - as I'm sure you also know - is so-called DUers who constantly whine, "Whyyyyy don't theyyyyyyyyyyyyyy do something," while picking their navels.

He/she is not DOING anything by whining about it here. And if he/she is trying to start a grassroots movement among fellow DUers to demand more from our electeds, he/she needs to realize that doing something like that is going to take a lot more than just starting a whiny thread.

NGU.

[Dr Fate]

16. Democratic Activists ARE the ones "doing something"

Democratic Activists are the ones who got Lamont elected in the primaries. While many elected DEMS still refuse to even say a few words to endorse him.

Democratic Activists are the ones who establish & promote alternative media. Meanwhile, most elected Democrats wont even say the media is biased & full of lies- apparently too frightened to even SAY IT.

Democratic Activists are the ones who opposed the war from the start and continue to do so. We were the ones who said Bush was "lying" (and we used that word.) Not so with most elected Democrats.

Sorry, but if you look around, you will see that if anyone is indeed "doing something"- it is the activists.

Most of these elected Democrats are the ones that need to be told to "do something"- not us.

If elected Democrats were being as aggressive as activists (AKA "doing something"), you would not even see posts like this.

[ClassWarrior]

21. So are you implying that all DUers are "Democratic Activists??"

Even the trolls??

:rofl:

NGU.

[Philosoraptor]

17. If you're happy with the status quo, I'm happy for you.

Must be nice to never have to sink to whining.

[ClassWarrior]

22. It's the fools who whine into the wind who get the status quo.

I'm DOING something about the very things you piss and moan about.

NGU.

[kimmerspixelated]

2. We've tried, we've tried!

You forget that the GGOP operates like mobsters. Major leg breakers. Plus, they are like teflon-nuttin sticks to em!

[Philosoraptor]

8. John Conyers is the only voice I've heard in the wilderness

That even registered on the radar. Why aren't we screaming for it?

[fob]

4. Yes they will. And you know what they will use as the tag line for

bringing our troops home?

"We need our troops to fight them HERE, not over THERE!"

punkass bitches, the entire lot of those gop pieces of shit.

[ComerPerro]

5. they will demand impeachment no matter what

attack or no, they will find a reason to stir up moral outrage

[tridim]

6. They will try to impeach the next Dem Pres if he picks his nose

Remember, the rules are completely different for Democrats.

[Dr Fate]

7. Exactly. Now you know why they win their elections and why we do not.

Contrary to what the Democratic "strategists" who lost the last 3 elections will tell you, swing-voters today ALWAYS prefer and vote for the more aggressive, "fighting" candidate who gives no credit or apologies to their opponent.

[Raksha]

9. EXACTLY!!!

WHEN is the Democratic establishment going to wise up to that?

Re >>swing-voters today ALWAYS prefer and vote for the more aggressive, "fighting" candidate who gives no credit or apologies to their opponent.<<

[Dr Fate]

11. Sometimes I think their plan is to lose 3 more election cycles.

By then, they predict, the public will prefer meek, frightened, candidates who act like Mr. Rogers instead of Clint Eastwood.

[tridim]

13. I agree we need to be tougher

but we didn't lose the last 3 elections, they were stolen.

I assume you'll say I'm wimping out by saying that, but that doesn't make it any less true. I realize we need to win by huge margins to overcome the theft. The only way to do that is to go for the Repuke jugular.

[Dr Fate]

19. I dont hear any elected Democrats with media access making that claim.

Where are they?

If stolen elections is to be our official excuse, where are the Democrats making that claim?

[tridim]

20. I never said it should be our "official excuse"

Just pointing out that "we lost the last 3 elections" isn't an accurate statement.

[ClassWarrior]

14. We won every election in the past 20 years or more.

But I take your point.

NGU.

[Dr Fate]

18. I dont hear any elected Democrats with media access making that claim.

Which Democrats with media access are claiming that we did indeed win the last 3 election cycles????

Oh- that's right- only the activists- the ones you claim need to "do something" are out there making that aggressive, truthful statement.

[ClassWarrior]

23. I never claimed activists...

...need to "do something." They are, by definition, "doing something."

I claimed whiners need to do something productive. They are, by definition, "whining," which isn't productive.

Q.E.D.

NGU.

[KaptBunnyPants]

24. Bill Clinton, for one.

He has previously said he is convinced a fair vote would have put Gore ahead in Florida, and he found RFK Jr.'s study of the Ohio 2004 compelling.

http://www.rochester-citynews.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A4545

Kerry has also said our elections have been stolen, as well as Donna Brazille, of all people. Dean has made fighting black box voting and voter suppression a top priority. Not all Democratic officials are cowardly fools who don't care that their political futures are being stolen from them, just the vast majority.

[ClassWarrior]

26. Bravo! Let's not forget Al himself.... And JE...

Thanks for the excellent reminder.

NGU.

[pa28]

15. No "United We Stand" for a Democratic President.

That's for sure.

[Lefty48197]

25. They'll demand impeachment whether there's an attack or not

A BJ was good enough for the last impeachment.

[samsingh]

27. repugs are nothing once they lose power

[LittleClarkie]

28. Some freepers I know are convinced that if Kerry was now prez

there would be buildings falling everywhere.

I'm surprised they're in favor of elections at all.