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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:29 PM
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A few hot dead blondes Fox somehow missed
And some brunettes and redheads too.

We hear a lot about beautiful dead girls in the US media. Here are some that we haven't heard about much. Their smiles haven't been plastered over the supermarket tabloid press, and they're not likely to be. One of the reasons is that they don't fit the popular stereotype of beautiful-woman-as-helpless-victim. Another reason is that many people still haven't focused on the reality of women in the military. Even here on DKos, I see comments about "sons and fathers" who have been killed and maimed. Almost NO MENTION of women in the military.

Go to the link and mourn for these women.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/21/201719/923
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:36 PM
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1. Thank you so much for posting this. nt
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:40 PM
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2. Even liberal commentators miss the fact that Moms are fighting in Iraq
for the US military in combat.

Very biased coverage. If the male veterans are being ignored, the females are practically invisible.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:24 PM
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4. Right. And the female soldiers have to fight off rapists in their
own barracks while also serving in combat - something the male soldiers don't have to worry too much about...
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 03:00 PM
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6. Unless they have to share a tent with a Repuke politician
Then all bets are off. Even the crack of dawn ain't safe around one of those family values Repukes.
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obreaslan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:46 PM
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3. ...
:cry:

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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:52 PM
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5. Kick & Recommend!
Thanks!
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 03:06 PM
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7. K&R
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bikesein Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 03:13 PM
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8. Heartbreaking
:cry:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 04:25 PM
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9. "they died for YOU and they were doing a man's job." -oh, really?
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 04:31 PM by MethuenProgressive
No American has died in Iraq for ME. They've been sent to their deaths by George W. Bush, and their deaths are on his hands, not mine. And "doing a man's job"? That's insulting to these women who died doing THEIR job, not a man's.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 05:49 PM
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13. What "they died for us" means
A critical part of America's strength and its Constitution's longevity is the tradition we've always held that the military at all times must stay out of politics and follow whatever the civilian government orders.

When our current troops signed up to join the service, they signed up to be part of that tradition. They signed up to do the job of defending the country--with their own lives if need be. The war is illegal, the war is unjust. But the job of keeping the troops from being sent off into unjust wars is a political job--it is our job, not theirs. We failed to stop this war, not them. We failed them.

If the military makes it their job to decide when and where and whom to fight, you have just lost civilian rule. You have just lost the Constitution. Only the voters and political activists can and should argue over where and when and whom to fight. These woman signed up to defend us and part of that deal is that they don't get to choose the details.

We live under the umbrella of security and peace that our armed forces provide us. We have it so good and so safe that we sometimes forget the dangers that face people in many other parts of the world. These people volunteered to be the wall that makes it safe for us to go and protest this war, to demand our Constitution be preserved, to vote against the same crooks who sent these troops off to a vanity war in the first place.

No troops chose to fight a war for oil. They signed a contract to serve their country against all enemies. It's not their fault that they were sent off to grab oil instead. They chose to serve even while the president and his cohorts are betraying them, ignoring their safety, undersupplying them, sending them bills for combat-related hospitalization, and cutting their vet benefits.

We owe them more than we can ever pay. They died protecting us because that's the job they signed up to do--and they did that job even when gangsters took over the White House. That's a level of dedication, of love, that should humble us. It should make us want to fight even harder to stop this bloody occupation.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 06:46 AM
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23. Sorry. Burky, but No.
They died protecting us


That's simply not true.

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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 08:33 PM
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16. MethuenProgressive, I agree with both your points.
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 08:33 PM by file83
That phrase at the end "doing a man's job." is pure BS. Not only is it sexist, it doesn't fit the main thrust of the posting, which was supposed to be that the American Media jumps all over stories of pretty women that die in civilian life, but has completely ignored the tragedies of the losses of these "attractive" (subjective of course) US Military women serving in Iraq.

You also scalpaled out the other part of that complex sentence, the idea that they died for "YOU" (or "us"). Again, it's inaccurate for anyone to assume exactly who these soldiers died for, because each one has their own individual reasons for serving in the military. Not only is it inaccurate, it's not the point of the article, so why would the author say such a stupid thing?

It is such a shame that the original poster at DKOS screwed up a potentially excellent posting by loading the tail end of it with that misguided, sexist, condescending, pointless statement.
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 05:12 PM
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10. The youngest one there was 18... jeez...
18 years old. And already gone off and killed in the war.
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mucho macho Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 05:27 PM
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11. counterpoint
Although I feel for ANYONE who dies in the line of duty, I cant help but mention that feminists for years demanded EQUAL opportunities in the military, including assignment to combat units. Now that they have that, it is illogical to carp about female deaths as if they are more tragic than males. They got what they asked for (equality) . The real crime is that aNYONE had to die at all, IMHO.
Let the flaming begin !!!!!!!!!!!!!


DEAN in 2008....NO more WARS
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 05:33 PM
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12. No flame, but the point is that big media is selectively hyping dead women
I think it also renews all of our needs to contribute to project Yellow Elephant. Go out, find a pro-war 20-something with these facts and ask them again why they aren't fighting for a cause they say they support. Any collection of pictures will remind us that this war (like any war) is personal.
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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:24 PM
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14. 20 yo from Senselessbrenner's district, and 19 yo from WI
born in WI Congressional candidate and State Senate Majority leader John Gard's hometown on Lena.

Two of Bu$h's biggest Wisconsin's asskissers. What a shame that these politicians rush to war when their children are safely out of harm's way.

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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:49 AM
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25. War is a great business. Let me invest YOUR child.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:29 PM
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15. A "Thank you" just isn't enough.
They are heroes.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 08:52 PM
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17. I have stood by many a Vet's grave and heard the strains of Taps...
far too often.

These soldiers, Airmen and Marines were sacrificed upon the altar of war, for nothing more than to enrich the already wealthy, and for the egos of men who found ways to get out of serving.

These Servicemembers and all of the dead have paid the ultimate price, and those that sent them have no shame, no moral compasses nor courage they can call their own.

This madness has to end.

Thank you for posting this.

:patriot:

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 08:56 PM
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18. Very sad post. Who is JB Ramsey?
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 08:57 PM
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19. The fact they are females doesn't bother me as much as their age
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 09:00 PM by Pawel K
I mean, 18, 19, 20. I am only 20 years old, half of the women on that page were younger than I am. They are kids for gods sake, and there is over 2000 more like that. I simply can not imagine how my family would feel and how horrible it would be to have my life cut off right here for no real reason. I have so many things I want to do, I want to eventually have a family, a home, a career. I'm sure these young women had the same ambitions I do; the difference is they will never experiance that.

It is an insult that our media does not give a shit about these people that died in what they thought was protecting our conuntry, as long as their deaths increase their ratings by a couple percentage points they will continue to cheer for more war and continue to hide the truths surrounding these young peoples murders.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 08:57 PM
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20. wow, my eyes are getting all watery
how sad.

Fuck the neocons & the horses they rode in on.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:00 PM
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21. Even the cute blonde rule is trumped by the fodder for cannon rule.
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CAG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:42 PM
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22. No, Fox didn't miss them, they're just waiting on Hannity and Coulter
to discover whether these women were repubs or dems, because they don't know whether to brand them "Cheney-lovin' war heroes" or "Murtha-supportin' traitors".

Ya see, to repubs, its not how many times the enemy shot at you that makes you a hero, its how hard you and your daddy had to work to get deferrments and other special treatment that marks your true patriotism.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:42 AM
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24. In our patriarchial-based world, women will ALWAYS be second class
Edited on Wed Aug-23-06 11:43 AM by Raster
citizens. It's just the nature of the beast. And that's not the worst of the tragedy. The worst part is we accept bullshit like this. Take, for example, the commonly held assumption that women will make less money than a man for doing the same job. Instead of challenging, we all acquiesce. I read about how many women are raped in the military. Supposedly in certain circles, it's a given. Can you fucking imagine that? "0h yeah, you'll probably get raped serving your country, it's a man's Army donchaknow?"
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:12 PM
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26. That title is not "ironic" -- it's offensive and hostile to women
seems not what you intended your message to be
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 04:30 PM
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28. Yup... I thought that too
Although I also think the OP didn't mean it that way.
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L A Woman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 06:47 PM
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31. I agree - I find the title of thread highly offensive and unnecessary...
for a lot of reasons. But the point of the thread is well taken and I'm glad the OP shared the link.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:15 PM
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27. K & R
:kick:
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 05:49 PM
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29. Kick
In honor of these women and their families.Thanks for the post.



:kick:
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cabbage08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 06:37 PM
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30. Kick
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