Why was Karr allowed to drink booze while under arrest? And what was Home

[thepurpose]

Land Security doing there?

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[thepurpose]

2. Ahh, because I want to know about any thing my tax dollars paid for.

[Wonk]

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[HiFructosePronSyrup]

22. That's the problem.

Everybody knows who she is.

This is some first class stupid shit.

[Wonk]

31. "because I want to know about any thing my tax dollars paid for"

Just trying to help restore a sense of proportion, which seems to have been lost.

[Moochy]

68. Did you miss the point?

Or just being obtuse...

The anonymity of the un-photographed coffins of US soldiers.

[leftchick]

54. excellent!

:applause:

[LostinVA]

35. Your tax dollars didn't pay for his ticket

Thai dollars did, is what my SO heard on the news this morning.

[thepurpose]

44. Did Thai dollars pay for the Homeland Security Agent's ticket too?

[LostinVA]

47. Ask the governmnet... there was no reason for them to be there

It was all for show. Karr would have been escorted to the plane, flown to LAX, and arrested. It's done all the time. This isn't a big deal.

HS is for domestic situations. That has nothing to do with Karr's ticket and his "wining and dining."

[thepurpose]

51. Yes. I'm sure the government will get right back to me.

[Warren DeMontague]

58. Start with $40 Billion a year to keep cancer grannies from smoking pot

Hang a left at $300 Billion -and counting- for the Iraq war, including $9 Billion in "reconstruction" money that can't be accounted for at all.

Then, pause to admire the beautiful grandeur of a Half a Trillion annually (that we know about) for a Military Industrial complex that equals the combined military spending of the entire rest of the planet.

Take a brief spin past the costs of the highest incarceration rate of non-violent offenders in the industrialized world, an FBI whose "top priorities" are fighting things like consenting adult porn videos, and then enjoy the sights, sounds, and smells of corporate welfare and no-bid contract giveaways to Halliburton, Bechtel, and the like.




...hey, dude, you asked.

[salinen]

6. Kinda harse

but I hope we aren't flooded with JBR bullshit like the MSM.

[Kingshakabobo]

9. kick

:kick:

[WilliamPitt]

3. The booze was to loosen his lips

"I *hic* didn't do it, really. Just couldn't *hic* afford to get back from Thailand on my own *hic* dime."

[Dr.Phool]

33. That was my first thought too.

[goclark]

4. I think it is a good question nt

[wakeme2008]

5. he also had Duck for dinner

traveling First Class/Business Class :shrug:

[DemoTex]

53. Ah, the old canard for a possible liar and cheat.

How funny! Vendre des canards à moitié!

[Virginia Dare]

7. They're softening him up....

so that he will trust them and spill his guts? :shrug:

BTW, this guy is one sick mofo.

[ScreamingMeemie]

8. He was not under arrest on the flight if that's what you mean.

He was arrested once he hit U.S. soil.

[Seedersandleechers]

11. Right answer!!!

[slackmaster]

12. Correct

Thanks MrsGrumpy.

[thepurpose]

13. Yes your right he was expelled, not extradited.

[peacebird]

16. why did we pay for first class or business class transport???

:wtf:

or did HE pay for the flight?

[thepurpose]

17. I'm sure he didn't pay for the flight, but we did pay for the HLS agent's

flight.

[Hamlette]

19. needed business class for security purposes

and no, he was not in custody, as I understand it, he was arrested as soon as the plane landed. He was kicked out of Thailand and must have agreed to go with US authorities.

[peacebird]

25. they couldn't have him secure in the cattle car? Why not?

Search him for weapons prior to boarding?

If that ain't enough - Handcuffs?

Come on - they were eating pate and sipping champagne.....

:wtf:

[Hamlette]

27. well, part of it is because we are not Nazis? n/t

[peacebird]

28. ? how is searching a man we are bringing on a plane being a nazi?

Talk was about need for "security" - so search the man to be certain he is not a threat to anyone else? If worried that he IS a threat - cuff him for the flight since he is being thrown out of the host country and our security personal are travelling with him....

HOW is that "nazi" of me?

[kskiska]

32. I believe airline regulations won't allow cuffing

In case of an emergency, everyone has an equal chance, especially someone who was over international waters and not under arrest.

[LostinVA]

40. It is Nazi

He was a free person. US security personnel weren't legally traveling with him... they were legally merely other passengers. Why should someone not charged with any crime be cuffed for a flight? This guy certainly isn't a choir boy, but he still legally can't have that done to him. It's illegal.

He wasn't a prisoner, wasn't charged with any crime, no warrant was served, Thailand didn't arrest him -- they merely held him and revoked his visa. He couldn't afford the ticket home so they bought it and put him on a plane.

[peacebird]

56. why buy business/first class instead of regular coach class?

[Hamlette]

52. By cattle car you meant coach? I thought you meant where pets go...

with the luggage. My bad.

My guess is they didn't choose business without reason.

[peacebird]

55. goodness no- i was reacting to the cost of business/first class over coach

or "cattle car"

cattle car (coach) being the way I always travel - it costs thousands less than business or first class on trips across country and even more on trips overseas...

[Hamlette]

70. well, hence my reaction, my bad. n/t

[peacebird]

71. ahhh - no worries!

:hi:

[LostinVA]

39. Because he wasn't a prisoner?

You can't do that to people who aren't in custody.

Why shouldn't he eat pate and drink champagne? He was a FREE passenger on that flight -- not a prisoner.

[peacebird]

59. lost in va - sorry. until i read your later posts I was unaware Thailand

paid the airfare.

mea culpa....

[LostinVA]

63. The SO heard it on the news this morning

I just asked her which news source... she THINKS it was NPR.

This whole media frenzy over someone who looks like he's not guilty of the crime is bonkers.

[peacebird]

64. agreed

but I wish DU could put this somewhere other than GD..... Sorry - being a cube rat is news limiting...

[tammywammy]

67. Prisoners aren't handcuffed during flight

A prisoner is handcuffed to the flight, sat down, uncuffed, and recuffed after landing.

(Though I know Karr wasn't a prisoner at the time, but this is just general info to pass on)

[LostinVA]

36. The Thai government paid for the ticket

[meisje]

61. Didn't you see motherfucking Snakes On A Plane

[peacebird]

65. no......... why?

[thepurpose]

26. I guess that's why when we kidnap people and deliver them to other

countries for torture they aren't under arrest and flown first class.

[ScreamingMeemie]

30. That wasn't what you asked.

:shrug: I don't get it. I answered your question.

[thepurpose]

49. Hey MrsGrumy. Your right you did answer my question. It just all of this

is so strange to me. We can rendition people when we want, but now we supposely got a real murder here and it does not make sense the way we are doing things in this case. From the MSM covering it wall to f**ing wall to the government seeming to treat this guy with kid gloves knowing all the time he might just be a flake. And remember there is a second part to my question. Why is Home Land Security involved. This is a state crime and has absolutely nothing to do with terrorist or protecting the United States from a threat.

[LostinVA]

41. ???

[kymar57]

14. just a guess..

Might it be that he was taken into custody and put on a plane to US but US officials could not arrest him until he arrived in country.Until he arrived here he was a free man. And no I could not give a shit about this latest MSM obsession.(on edit I just type to damn slow) :)

[Lost-in-FL]

15. If this had happened under Clinton

"All Democrats would be Child Molesters" but NOOOOO... no ones says a word about it. The media complaints about it but are unwilling to "follow the money trail".

[SlipperySlope]

18. He wasn't under arrest.

Karr wasn't under arrest.

He was deported by Thailand as an undesirable. He was not extradited. In other words, the Thai officials put him on a Thai Airways flight headed for the US. The whole time he was on that flight, he was a "free man", just not one who was being allowed to stay in Thailand.

The moment he landed in California, and was on US soil, he was arrested.

Doing this the "right way", having Thailand arrest him, and hold him, and then have extradition proceedings to send him to the US, would have taken a long time. They way they did it was a lot faster, it just meant he got to enjoy one more meal before going to jail.

[thepurpose]

21. But what did Homeland security have to with it?

[Lost-in-FL]

24. Yeah.. but first class?

From Thailand??? $$$$$

I understand he was not under arrest but I think being on First Class was too much.

[Dr.Phool]

38. Maybe he was flying stand-by, and that's all that was open

Even stand-by passengers, placed in first class get all the goodies.

The cattle car was probably full of reporters with cheap editors.

[LostinVA]

45. It was Business Class, and the Thai government bought the ticket

[LostinVA]

43. Karr also would have to be charged with a crime to be extradited

And, no one is doing that. Per the Boulder DA: they are doing the investigation NOW. They didn't do ANY of it before. The Thai officials would probably have let him go if they hadn't deported him. They were playing Pontius Pilate and getting rid of a potential embarrassing situation. Now, it'll eb the American officials who look stupid.

[Mike03]

57. Appreciated

This is probably the most accurate legal answer. The only thing here that surpises me is that he was not officially or formally extradited, but I believe this post, since the Boulder Police Department is such a collection of incompetents that it would be natural for them to pretend they had extradited this man. They make the Three Stooges look like graduates of the Forensic Behavioralism program in Langley.

[goodhue]

23. He was not under arrest.

He was not in fact in custody during flight to USA. Believe it or not.

[mcscajun]

29. Latest AP article describes his "hard landing"

Hard Landing for Ramsey Murder Suspect
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 7:42 p.m. ET

Wining and dining at 35,000 feet gave way Monday to a cramped jail cell, a metal cot and bologna sandwiches as John Mark Karr awaited a hearing to determine when he will be sent to Colorado to face charges in the slaying of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey.

Karr, who was brought back to the United States late Sunday night on a 15-hour business-class flight from Thailand, was immediately locked up in a high-security jail cell to await an extradition hearing Tuesday morning.

(snip)

His accommodations are a 6-by-9 cell with a bed, a toilet, no windows and no phones. Unlike in Thailand, Karr will not be made available for media interviews, officials said. Inmates are only given about three hours of exercise a week and eat all their meals in their cells.

(snip)

Monday's lunch, for example, included a bologna sandwich, carrots and an apple.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-JonBenet-Ramsey.html

[LostinVA]

34. Because he wasn't under arrest

He was deported, not extradited, and was a free man until he landed at LAX.

[MazeRat7]

37. Inquiring minds want to know....Maybe they were trying to find out...

If he owned a Pit Bull..... ;)

MZr7

[Jeanette in FL]

42. Why was Home Land Security there?

To provide the leak.

Home Land Security now has juristriction over Sex Crimes overseas.

In my opinion, Colorado probably would have liked this to be kept on the hush and hush. So HLS is now involved and little bits of the puzzle are allowed to come out. The media runs with the story, like they have been trained to do and we all talk about that.

Instead of:

The majority of American's think that 911 was an inside job.
Seymour Hersh's story of Israel, Britain and the US, Lebanon War.
The British Terror Plot, that is falling apart.
Americans throwing their shampoo and water away at airports.

And that was just last week.

[leftchick]

46. who cares?

:shrug:

:shrug:

:shrug:

[L A Woman]

50. If I posted "I don't care" under all the threads I don't care about...

it's all I would be doing.

But why bother?

[Mike03]

66. Individuals who don't care

about this case probably don't have too much curiosity about human nature, the human mind, or the failure of the judicial system. In the scheme of things, the JonBenet murder case is trivial, but the important aspect of it is that it has been treated as a game show instead of a homicide, so I care quite a bit about how it is handled by the incompetent media, and what citizens think about it, or if they know enough about it to even realize that the intruder theory of the crime is absurd.

[Mike03]

48. Many Talk Radio Hosts

are speculating that they permitted him to drink in order to make him more loquatious, but I not only think that's untrue--it's probably idiotic if you think about it. This is already a delusional individual who has demonstrated his desire to speak too much, who has fired off incriminating emails to professors and held press conferences. In any event, they would never intoxicate a suspect in public, in a plane filled with reporters in any event, and he did not speak nor was he encouraged to speak.

More likely, extradition treaties/regulations mandate that passengers not charged with crimes be allowed to eat and drink just as other passengers eat and drink. Secondly, the Boulder Police Department has now and finally proven its incompetence, so there's no telling what is permissible if they are in charge. It's patently obvious that FBI profilers have not been invited to participate in the evaluation of this suspect, or else we would not even be focusing a moment's attention on this worthless but amusing clown.

There's something else going on here. Who doesn't want a free ride out of a Thai prison and a good meal? (Sarcasm) Kar probably did not want to do time in a Thailand prison, and the US probably wanted to claim they had removed an obsessive pedophile off the streets. But this guy is a clown who most likely had nothing to do with this killing.

This guy is ridiculous, and so is the attention being paid to him by the MSM.

[Warren DeMontague]

60. Maybe to give the "NEWZ" channels more meaningless shit to blather

about, instead of covering an actual story.

[zulchzulu]

62. It's because HE DIDN"T DO IT and they know already...

The whole story is an absolute joke. Karr will plead insanity in the end and sneak off... his "story" is already falling apart...

[BuyingThyme]

69. Yep.

They may get him on some kind of internet kiddie porn deal. But he obviously had nothing to do with Ramsey (or Klaas).

Or maybe he just wanted a free international flight.