If Bush thinks he can blow off the NSA ruling

[Hailtothechimp]

then it will embolden him to blow off any other things he doesn't agree with (such as the 22nd Amendment).

This September hearing in fron to Judge Taylor is crucial. If the judge upholds her ruling, and the ACLU does not agree to a stay pending appeal, the issue for Bush will be laid bare:

EITHER ABIDE BY A COURT RULING YOU DON'T LIKE,

OR

DEFY THE RULING AND BECOME A CRIMINAL.

Lots of us already consider him a criminal, but this will just make it all the more obvious.

And if voters can't (or won't) replace the Congress in November in this situation, God help us all.

[Captain Hilts]

1. He thinks laws are like a cafeteria line....nt

[Dr.Phool]

2. I think the judge issued a "signing statement" or ruling

That just sorta, kinda conflicts with the chimps interpretation of the constitution.

[Richard Steele]

3. He already ignores whatever he likes.

Have you seen those AbuGhraib photos B*shCabal™ was ordered
to release last year yet?

[elehhhhna]

12. Did ya know Dubai Ports World currently controls 23 US ports?

[Marr]

13. What the hell happened with that? I was following it on the ACLU

website, and I have no idea where it went. Are they simply in defiance of a court order at this point, or is it still being appealed?

[Richard Steele]

15. Their time to appeal (after they lost the 1st appeal) ran out...

...and they are in violation at this point.
About a week AFTER their time ran out, there was a bizarre statement
that they were considering an appeal at some future time...
then silence.

No bullshit spin, no comment at all, just plain ignoring the court order.

[Marr]

16. Is the ACLU still pursuing the matter?

Thank you for the update- I'd seen no info on the subject in months. I don't understand how they can simply be in violation of a court order without being publicly skewered. It's ludicrous.

[Richard Steele]

17. There's nothing left to pursue: they WON already.

The only person who could take
any further steps is the Judge, who
could (should) start issueing warrants
for the named defendants, but how do you
enforce a warrant for the Dept. of Defense?

We, the People, are just so completely SCREWED.

[rubberducky]

4. Do you really think *&co will abide by ANY law??

He has proven to us over and over that he can do whatever he wants.

[Eric J in MN]

5. Bush won't be in office on January 21, 2009.

Maybe there will be another corporate tool in that office.

Maybe someone decent will be in that office.

It isn't in the corporate interest to create an uprising through something as blatant as Bush staying in office.

[Subdivisions]

9. He can't stay in office

the Constitution allows only 2 terms for any one individual. Do you think he can just blow that off? :sarcasm:

[Marr]

14. Honestly, nope.

But only because it's not the neocons' style. The names are mostly interchangeable for them- they'd just run another moronic puppet who can be told what to do and believe it's his idea. Just watching Bush and his "l'etat c'est moi" attitude, I can imagine him trying to stay in. He's just that egomaniacal and power hungry. But he isn't nearly as important as he thinks he is.

[Seabiscuit]

6. If the hearing you're referencing is about a "stay" of the judge's orders

pending appeal (which seems odd, such hearings generally occur much earlier) I thought I read something about both sides agreeing in advance to stay the orders pending appeal.

IOW, that hearing isn't really important at all.

The Chimp is putting all of his eggs into one basket: his new appointments to the US Supreme Court. When he says "appeals court" what he means is not the federal appeals court that will next hear the case, he's referring to the ultimate court of appeal, the US Supreme Court.

Bet your bottom dollar also that as soon as he gets his "stay" in writing, he'll instruct his lawyers to employ every delaying tactic in the book to drag this thing out for another two years if possible so he doesn't have to be embarrassed by another court ordering him to stop his surveillance during the remainder of his term.

[pazuzu]

7. John Boehner said Congress

will void the ruling and give Bush what he wants. Again.

[MissWaverly]

10. they can't void the constitution w/o making him dictator

By saying that he is above the law that is what they would be doing, hey, but maybe
that's what John A. Boehner (R-8th/OH) wants.

[Rosemary2205]

8. He can "blow it off" and he will.

Short of tossing Bush and Cheney both out of the White House there's not a darn thing we can do about it.

[Traveling_Home]

11. Court ordered a stay until appeal is completed n/t