Did you know that jobs increased by 5 million over the last three years

[INdemo]

and unemployment decreased from 5.5% to 4.8% Now of course that is only an increase in employment by .7%..These numbers just dont add up but yet according to Bush's economic advisor those numbers are fact...I guess they can just throw any number out there and expect the public to believe them..Just how damn dumb do these Repukes think we are..
The real unemployment numbers will not be revealed until after the Democrats take control of congress then all of a sudden we will know and of course it will be all the Democrats fault for the downturn.

[pooja]

1. You can only draw unemployment so long, before you become

a welfare recipient.. I want to see if those numbers have increased.

[OhioBlue]

6. or until you take another job at a much lower

wage, juggle your credit cards, take out another mortgage to ultimately lose your house, have no health care and either rent in low-income housing or move in with family or friends. The welfare numbers won't tell the story either.

Even for retirees pensions and health care benefits are being cut -

Perhaps 5 million jobs were created, but in my area many good paying, health care providing manufacturing jobs are being lost and replaced with warehouse, retail and nurse aid jobs that are low wage and do not offer health care plans. The classifieds show lots of houses being offered up at Sheriff's auctions.

[LisaM]

2. Also, how many people entered the job market?

Supposedly it's 140,000 per month. If you times that by 36 (number of months in three years), that's barely breaking even.

[Rex]

3. It's all crap, they don't report the unemployed who are no longer

drawing off of unemployment. The underemployed numbers are probably horrible.

[JuniperLea]

18. Bingo

Their numbers leave a lot out.

[AnnInLa]

4. The jobs being lost are in the manufacturing/skilled sector, and

are being sent overseas (outsourced). They tend to be well-paid or fairly well-paid jobs. The jobs being added are in the service sector and are poorly paid, and rarely have benefits.

Right,some reason to celebrate. But, I think America is waking up to the fraud of "globalized economy." Globalization is killing the American middle-class worker.

[Robbien]

5. The real numbers will not be revealed

If the government changes parties, the Democratic leadership would not want to take the blame for the numbers going into the toilet because of the readjustment. The MSM would scream the numbers were good under BushCo and now under the Dems they are horrible, all the while the MSM will ignore the reason for the downturn in the numbers.

[madeline_con]

7. What kinds of jobs? n/t

[Tempest]

12. McJobs

Americans are increasingly having to take on two and three jobs to keep the standard of living they enjoyed during the Clinton administration.

More manufacturing jobs have been lost since Bush took office than have been created during the same period.

[oscar111]

8. JOB SHORTAGE facts, stats , links to gov sources

see my sig., second line.

last i looked the shortage was 14 million.

beware of fragmentary stats , as in the OP.

only go by overall stats, as in my sig.

[Toots]

9. Once your unemployment runs out you are off the unemployment list

You will still be unemployed just no longer counted as such. five million new jobs but how many new citizens in the same period. New births and immigrants. If they total over five million then we actually lost jobs...

[lakeguy]

10. real wages are going down...

even including skyrocketing CEO pay. doesn't matter if unemployment goes to zero if we all make 5.15 and hour.

[butterfly77]

11. No. and you are correct about the democrats

and other things will become evident once the dems regain power and then they will be blamed.

[IChing]

13. The Ministry of Plenty

For example, the Ministry of Plenty's forecast had estimated the output of boots for the quarter at one-hundred-and-forty-five million pairs.
The actual output was given as sixty-two millions.
Winston, however, in rewriting the forecast, marked the figure down to fifty-seven millions, so as to allow for the usual claim that the quota had been overfulfilled.

In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than one-hundred-and-forty-five millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot. And so it was with every class of recorded fact, great or small. Everything faded away into a shadow-world in which, finally, even the date of the year had become uncertain.






Don't even try to look into the national debt and deficit let alone the cost of the war.

funny flash video a must see if you haven't:

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/fuzzymath.php

[Double T]

14. With bushco, NONE of the numbers add up..............

but why should they? Everything bushco does is a lie or deception, without exceptions.

[napi21]

15. The job increase # could be true, but they're leaving OUT some very

important info! How many jobs were LOST? Who is considered in that unemployment #?

I'm so disgusted with this admin, I can only laugh at these kind of stats!

It's like saying WM hired 4 million new people, and stopping before saying they were to replace the 4.3 million who quit!

[The Cleaner]

16. Yeah, sure...In INDIA...

I've always wondered if American companies who hire in other countries such as India count the new overseas jobs as part of this increase. It only makes sense.

Sure job growth is robust - just not here in the U.S.

[IChing]

17. From Newsweek on Americans drowning in debt plus the real cost.

The Center for American Progress estimates the cost of medical, food and household needs has risen more than 11 percent over the past five years—with seven in 10 households using credit as a safety net to cover basic living expenses, reports Demos. Meanwhile, wages have simply not kept up, remaining virtually flat since early 2001. "The data shows that people are borrowing more money not because of overconsumption but because they're caught in a bind," says Christian E. Weller, a senior economist at the Center for American Progress and author of a May report “Drowning in Debt.” He adds, "In that bind, the only escape valve for middle-class families is to borrow more money."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14366431/site/newsweek/

[sandnsea]

19. Jobs or ebay sellers

Putting yours and your parents' life collection of household items on ebay isn't quite the same as a job... except to these Bush asshats.

[The Cleaner]

23. According to Bush standards,

that's a "small business."

[mcscajun]

20. The numbers haven't "added up" for some time.

Check this post from earlier this year.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1249059&mesg_id=1249488

Plus, how many of those jobs are minimum wage or entry-level jobs, part-time jobs, or jobs without benefits? How many of the folks who are currently UNemployed or UNDERemployed will find any of these positions suitable for them? How many will be turned away as Overqualified or Too Old?

[dsc]

21. You ar forgetting population increase

I don't know exact numbers but it isn't unreasonable that the working age population went up by a few million and thus only a few million jobs were actually increase.

[Subdivisions]

22. My ass! eom

[Hubert Flottz]

24. Fudgy Math!