Lamont on Wolfie now n/t

[malaise]

[karlrschneider]

1. He's a LOT more at ease now than he was a few months ago.

Straightforward & sounds smart.

[gratuitous]

2. Why would Wolf interview that has-been?

Oh wait, Lamont won that race, didn't he? Curious why all the coverage has been of the guy who lost. Most curious.

[Rex]

4. Joe's PNAC connection has been exposed.

Joe and Cheney saying the same thing a few days ago kinda did it. Now the M$M will treat Joe like a long lost friend. Like they do with all Repukes.

[Nightjock]

3. "bush rushed us into this war

and joe LIEberman cheered him on" Ned tells wolfie.

[malaise]

5. Re Bush's outburst today

Go to Congress -Bush is not above the law.
sp.

[QuestionAll...]

6. o geeze, Lamont just said:

lets pull out and let the Iraqi's take care of the mess we made.

basically.

fuck! another santa claus shot in front of my face!

fuckfuckfuckFUCKfuck.

Wron g fucking answer!

[leesa]

12. They have to take care of it. We have to leave. Our occupation is illegal

All we can do is pay reparations. Hopefully the Iraqis will accept UN support, but that is not OUR decision.

[QuestionAll...]

13. yes, must leave.... yes, shouldn't ought done that in the first place...

but faulting it to the very people that have been at the brunt of it all because they can't or won't take control.... they have no control over.

fucking insane.
lamont stepped down a googleplex of pegs with that shit talk in my eyes.

One party system, confirmed.

[laundry_queen]

17. I don't know what interview you were watching.

Lamont was very clear that pulling out the military didnt' mean abandoning the Iraqi people - that he supported large amounts of humanitarian aid and rebuilding aid.

[QuestionAll...]

18. he did say

lets get out and let 'them' solve it.

do you believe that 'humanitarian' aid wordspeak is just that.... words.
look to Katrina.
has the US actually paid off the 'pledges' worldwide in earthquakes tsuamis AIDS, etc.?

you really believe there is any humanitarianism in this fuggin ugly corporate machine?

I've learned a time ago that people and their suffering means Nothing to the ones in control or pretend to be.
and a few good men and women don't stand a chance

[alcibiades_mystery]

20. They do need to solve it themselves

In fact, that is the only way it can be solved. Every second we are there makes it worse.

The Iraqis are not children. The last thing they need is one more minute of American involvement, and patriarchal Americans arguing that only we can fix it. We can't. We only increase the damage. Lamont is damn right, and you are just plain wrong.

[jsamuel]

21. and more wrong by the day

[QuestionAll...]

22. the big problem was hoisted upon them.

more so than Saddam had in his wet dreams.

by the superpower freedom dripping blood clots of corporatism.

No, the Iraqi's are not children, they come from the cradle of civilisation. We are their children.

US miltiary getting out of there I do agree with, but they had no fucking business being there in the first place.
Blaming the Iraqi's for Bush's slippery missile dong dreams is just not on my card.

[alcibiades_mystery]

23. Nobody blamed them

You're getting your back up for zero reason.

[QuestionAll...]

26. what?

if it wasn't for bush assholio Iraq would be a Much Mofofucking better place that it is right now for the PEOPLE liviing there.

Yes, I'll get my back up for that.
I'll get a bit miffed about destroying a country then tell THEM, they have have to get their socks up against the big blood machine of the earth.

[alcibiades_mystery]

29. Jesus, man

Read your own responses through this thread.

Of course Bush fucked up Iraq. That goes without saying. The question is whether Lamont was wrong. He was not. This isn't about telling "THEM" that they have to fix it. They have to fix it. That's a given. The point is that WE CAN'T FIX it, and the sooner puffed up Americans get THAT, the better.

[QuestionAll...]

33. puffed up americans

now think that the Iraqi's should FIX IT and it's their responsibility after being bludgeoned for a couple decades of ugly sanctions and now 3+ years of 'direct' war.

[laundry_queen]

25. Who's blaming them?

:shrug:

And of course the US military shouldn't have been there in the first place. duh.

[laundry_queen]

24. Look at Katrina?

Uh, look who's in charge right now. You think that the bungling of that disaster would have happened under Clinton? Yes some Dems are beholden to some corporate interests, which is wrong, but it does NOT make them the same.
If you think the Dems and repugs are the same, then I have nothing more to say to you. Why are you here?

[QuestionAll...]

28. One party system of warmongering....

Lieberman was just the tip of the iceberg of how diluted 'democrats' can be.

do not accuse me of being in the bush camp, if that's what you mean.

things are not black and white in reality. reality is we are made to think so and go for each others unfluencial throats.

[laundry_queen]

30. I understand what you mean.

And I wasn't accusing you of anything - simply saying this is Democratic underground not anti-both parties underground. If you don't support the Democrats, why are you here? That's what I meant. Has nothing to do with supporting Bush, just not support Democrats and painting them all with the same brush a la Nader.
There are definitely divisions within the Democratic party.
That does not make the whole party rotten as the pugs.
What Democrats need to do is unite right now, get rid of the 'waste' (Liebermann et al) in the primaries and get the Repubs the hell out of power.

[Generic Brad]

31. I'm not trying to fan the flames here, but I have a question

You indicated that Lamont gave the wrong answer in your opinion. What, in your view, would have been a more appropriate response for him to have given? I realize we have an incredibly complex situation on our hands in Iraq and we have multiple options for resolving this situation (many of which are less than desirable approaches).

I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from. Merely, for the sake of discussion -- what would you have liked Ned Lamont to have said in answer to the question? Me, I have no preference -- just polite curiosity.

[QuestionAll...]

32. I appreciate your interest and respectful query.

and I have no clear answer to undo/explain centuries of empirical piracy.

just bugs me that some say the Iraqi's are responsible to rebuild what the pirates have undone.

[Generic Brad]

34. Thank you, QuestionAll

This is exactly why I joined Democratic Underground. We all have very strong passions on a number of subjects, but not always on the same topic. That provides us all room to grow.

Initially, I had no issue with Ned Lamont's response, but your responses have helped me recognize a layer of complexity I had previously overlooked. Thank you for hanging in there and holding your ground. I think I have a better understanding of the source of your frustration now.

[Nightjock]

7. on bush and wiretaps..

thinks wiretaps are important. If president wants them do it legally. He is not above the law.

[rusty_parts2001]

8. Great answer on the wiretapping case too...

He knows his stuff. He is getting better every time I see him. Sorry Wolfie, you didn't lay a glove on him.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

9. Lamont Is Seriously Awesome. I Can't Remember The Last Time I Was So

impressed by an up and coming Democrat. He is absolutely the real deal and I'm fucking damn proud to have him in our corner. That man should be president someday in my opinion.

[LSparkle]

10. He did GREAT

I'm SO thankful there's at least one Dem out there who just speaks his mind and MAKES SENSE!!!! He has yet to disappoint me in an interview, either on radio or TV.

[malaise]

15. Agreed

that was very good.

[fedupinBushcountry]

11. He did a great job

He'll make a great Senator.

[shadowknows69]

14. The media apparently is going to try very hard

to make sure he is not going to be Senator. I hope the people of CT are smart enough to see through the impending BS.

[Nutmegger]

16. Hope this gets on C&L

Sounds like a good interview. Thanks for the updates.

Oh I'm a loony, leftist, terra-ists appeaser because I voted for him! :woohoo:

[bluedog]

19. okay.could "Leslie" be any more Pro-Joe?

first he says "congratulation"
then he says........you won.but yet you are behind in the polls...

Lamont says yes....but I started off with an asterisk beside my name and won......(something like that)

Leslie asks if Joe should step aside

Lamont says ............He should play by the rules and RESPECT the winner!

Leslie...He'd be crazy to drop out ...hes appealing to Democrats..Independents and Republicans,,,,,,looks like a "2 Man race"............

and thats where I lost my cable.((always happens when its raining)

am waiting for the transcript to come out!

[David Zephyr]

27. How many times did Wolf use the term "ant-war candidate"?

Wolf, the corporate media's #1 cheerleader for the illegal invasion into Iraq which became Bush's civil war.