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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:58 PM
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Is this country "divided' forever? Beyond repair?
I beleive so. With the bu$h cult, The war, RW Fundies, Conservative media and the many wedge issues being thrown out there, I cant see the masses ever getting along with one another. This administration and the Rovian methods have divided the right and left forever. People are too jaded by ideologies and religion.
Do you think that I'm wrong by this opinion?
Can "we all just get along" again?
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Iwasthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:02 PM
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1. Impeachment NOW (both of em) is the only way
There are more and more repub supporters (secretly). We have to do the right thing NOW! Do we not try impeachment simply cause it probably won't work (I keep hearing that argument)? Or do we hold the madman accountable. The criminal acts cannot stand any longer. The madmen have to go. Then we can start to heal
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:03 PM
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2. Tell me: When has this country not been divided?
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 03:04 PM by Selatius
We were divided between Federalists and Anti-Federalists. We were divided over slavery. We were divided during and after the Civil War. We were divided over Viet Nam. We were divided over letting little Black boys and little Black girls go to the same school as White people. We're divided again over the current war and this president and his actions, and we're divided over religion and the state.

If you ask me, the different regions of this country have become so culturally disparate that I feel it is time the US is peacefully dissolved.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:05 PM
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6. I'm with you on that one.
I think the idea that Lincoln was great for keeping the country together is false. I think he should've let the country split.

As a note, we can go back even further. During the Revolutionary War, many of the southern colonies stayed loyal to England. Washington had a hard time even fielding an army down there, which is why we lost a lot of southern battles.
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Magonaga Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 04:28 PM
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34. Peaceful division will not last
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 04:28 PM by Magonaga
"If you ask me, the different regions of this country have become so culturally disparate that I feel it is time the US is peacefully dissolved."

Fine, but that won't last. Split by Red/Blue states, we'd end up with progressives in coastal areas, while the (armed) neocons would have the majority of the agricultural, industrial and other critical infrastructures. Not to mention all the nuclear weapons.

End result would be division, and then invasion and conquering of the Blue states by the Red states. No thank you.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 04:45 PM
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36. I doubt it'd come to invasion and war
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 04:49 PM by Selatius
The Civil War was fought between the industrialized north with the agrarian south. The north is still largely industrialized, and the south is still largely agrarian and rural, and California itself is the 7th largest economy in the world if you counted it as its own country. They may have land-based nukes, but we have the ballistic missile submarines with nuclear weapons as well. MAD would be in effect, so the stakes are so high I don't feel a peaceful dissolution will lead to nuclear war. True, they would have access to the farmland, but for urban areas it is not a problem to import food or continue doing business with new nations that were in red portions of the former US.
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Magonaga Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 05:19 PM
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38. You think?
Who's more willing to attack first? Neocons or progressives?

Who's more willing to lie and murder?

Who's more willing to cynically manipulate with propaganda?

Who's got more guns per household?

Who wants to be left alone more than the other?

Still want to take our chances?
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 05:24 PM
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40. WHO'S SMARTER??
If we're talking about dividing into Republican and Democratic states, there's just no question.

All due respect to Democrats in "red states." If the nation were divided by party, I think we KNOW which party knows how to be effective, and which knows how to shoot itself in the foot.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 05:22 PM
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39. Hah!!!
Blue states would have most of the talent and the money. And I'd like to see the red states make it without our "foreign aid."

I don't know where you got the idea that the red states are "armed" and blue states aren't (nukes even?!?) but the main downfall of any country splitting is multiplying the number of armies involved.

I'm not for dissolving the union, but your idea that we'd be "invaded and conquered" by red states is laughable.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 09:41 AM
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44. I think you have that wrong, while I agree Republicans have a tendency to
start wars, it's usually the Democrats that win them..:shrug: America will survive and even grow stronger in the long run. As Churchhill once proclaimed "Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing, only after trying everything else first." America is giving the GOP it's audition and it has been found lacking.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:03 PM
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3. With what I have been put through for the last 6 years
Hell would freeze over before I compromised on anything.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:03 PM
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4. Time to think seriously about secession movements?
For down the road, esp. as resources run out, Federal infrastructure collapses, etc...
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:10 PM
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10. I'm thinking on those terms too.
We are more divided than ever and the religous right, with major support from the neo-cons, will not budge from their sick agenda. This mis-administration is in a mission to turn this once great nation into a Christo-Fascist, imperialistic theocracy.
Secession may be the only way for at least half of our citizens to live in a peaceful democracy.
Hail Cascadia!
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:23 PM
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22. Cascadia, indeed.
I wonder if a viable Southwestern republic of some sort could happen -- then San Francisco and Los Angeles both become capitol cities!
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:04 PM
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5. Assuming 9/11 would have happened under Gore....
I believe he could have used it to bring the country together, rather than tear us further apart like the Chimpster in Chief did.

It will take a good, honest, strong leader who honestly cares about this country and its citizens but it can be done. I'm keeping hope alive for now.

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QuettaKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:11 PM
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13. wouldn't have happened under President Gore.
He wasn't a part of PNAC.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:18 PM
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19. I agree
BTW, I LOVE your V ... Gore would have used the opportunity to bring not just this country but the world together and to work toward eliminating not only terrorism but what leads to it -- the elimination of Third World debt, trying to work together instead of dividing into First, Second and Third Worlds. I'm absolutely heartsick over the GLOBAL opportunity that was lost by this Chimperor N Thief.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 04:07 PM
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32. I think you're probably right...n/t
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 04:14 PM
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33. Right!
A savvy DU'er!
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:06 PM
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7. I don't know what to believe
but I know what I'd like to believe.

I'm not sure there's conclusive proof either way.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:07 PM
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8. Nope will never "just get along" again.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:07 PM
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9. I respectfully dissent.
I think Chimpy's poll numbers reflect the fact that people aren't buying his lies anymore. I don't think we'll ever win back the backwash, but then, they'll never win us. That leaves about 60% of Americans who don't buy what the Pukes are selling. I don't think we're hopelessly divided at home.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:37 PM
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30. I am in agreement
that we aren't divided. In fact, I believe we are uniting against this regime. Even though we still have 33-38% (depending on the poll) with their heads up their asses, we have a clear majority believing the country is going in the wrong direction.

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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:11 PM
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11. This the worst I've seen it in my lifetime (66). I don't know what it
takes to get to a civil war, but it can't be that farfetched. The religious right could take over without much effort with a "War" now because they own all the guns, tanks, airplanes and bombs.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:13 PM
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15. What are you talking about?
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 08:31 AM
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42. I'm saying this country is torn apart - near enough for violence by the
right wing. They are getting angrier and it scares me.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:11 PM
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12. They've crossed the line way over what it has been
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 03:12 PM by mmonk
in my 50 years. It just doesn't stop and has reached dangerous levels. I've been through violent eras, but none that tear quite at the foundation of this country as this even though there's less violence here.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:12 PM
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14. italy recovered from fascism (more or less)
by exacting a little lamppost justice
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:15 PM
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16. Germany's doing ok these days.
more or less.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:16 PM
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18. took a Nurnberg Trials
and a generation of occupation to acoomplish it.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:16 PM
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17. Forever? No.
In fact, I think things can change for the better relatively quickly. They might not, but they can.

A lot of conservative dogma is just *fashion*. Bad fashion, and only fashion among a certain segment of the population, but just a particular lens that people look at the world through. Soon it will be tossed aside for something else.

Tomorrow I may have a different take....
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:19 PM
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20. In a word -- YES!
And, as others have said, I also believe that a continent-sized nation is just too damn big to function well as a single political entity. Many of us who feel this way are not simply reacting to the disaster that the US has become over the last six years. Anyone who has studied political science and history and sociology can tell you that a nation that is so large cannot effectively provide for the welfare of its population while at the same time providing enough unity to keep the population together in spirit.

The large a nation, the larger and more powerful its institutions need to be and the further those institutions become removed from the population. That is a recipe for abuse of power that we see now.

In addition, we see a population that is too diverse in what it believes to ever come back together.

It would be better for all if the US was divided into several smaller countries. How that can be done peacefully is the difficult question, but it needs to be done before real violence breaks out.

Where is it written that nations have to last forever? It is time to progress and evolve to the next phase.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:21 PM
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21. No way - most people are fairly main stream
and this country even re-united after a major civil war - the majority of Americans don't have to agree on everything to get along with one another.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:27 PM
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23. I 100% disagree. All we need is a strong, charismatic leader.
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 03:28 PM by Atman
A leader who will stand at the podium and pound his fists, as Bush does. Except, instead of pounding his fists because he's pissed off at having the law applied to him, we need someone who'll stand there and lay it on the line for Americans. Someone who'll both challenge us and inspire us.

Your neighbors are NOT evil characters of whom you should be constantly suspicious. Democrats don't really want to provide Cadillacs to the inner city poor, and republicans don't really want to condemn these people to a life of misery merely because of their socio-economic status. We are a big country with a diverse populace, and if we do not learn to accept our differences and peculiarities as the very things which make this country great, which make it the historic melting pot for which it was best known, then we doom our country to a stunning fall. Unity of purpose, unity of vision, unity in the face of adversaries...these have been the cornerstones of our democracy up until recent years, when we allowed fear to step between our common sense and our objectivity. This is a nation of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists, Wiccans, secularists...and each has contributed to the fabric our nation, each is a thread in the most beautiful tapestry this world has known. We continue to tear it apart at our peril.

I'd vote for that guy!
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:27 PM
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24. I think it may well be
We have about 30% of the population who are racist, think that governments are supposed to crush their citizens for enjoyment, and believe that they will soon float up in the air where they can watch the rest of the world's population writhe in agony while they eat popcorn. These people are beyond sick. I don't think there's any bringing them back to normal. They should all be beaten to death with ferrets.
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:27 PM
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25. Well, we do have a third of the people that
are not impressed by facts and rationality. However, that means that there's two-thirds of us that can act together.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:29 PM
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26. We will have a civil war in the next 50 years, bet on it.
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 03:29 PM by Odin2005
I have seen many posts here saying that many DUers can't even speak with relatives anymore because of political and religious disagreements; that is a really bad sign IMO, it reminds me of the "brother against brother" thing in the Civil War. I fear that the fundies will start organizing millitant groups and start butchering people when they realize they can't get thier way by democratic means, causing us to create our own millitias to defend ourselves. There will be mutiny in the millitary as soldiers refuse to fire on the side they support and the US millitary will basically dissolve.
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:29 PM
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27. The Divided States of America?
:shrug:
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:34 PM
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28. Not impossibly so.
We ARE divided, but there is a slim hope that we can be undivided with the right leaders. The right leaders have not emerged yet. I think we need a Ghandi/Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. type person to come along and bring the fence sitters to a common ground. There may be hope then.

As of right now, it seems as though we are hopelessly divided. In case of emergency, just remember that there are blue voters in the red states who will help blue voters in blue states in case y'all need to do a little more ass kickin'. :hi:
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:37 PM
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29. Where did all these anti-Republicans come from?

Republicans swept Democrats from power in 1994. Where were all those Republicans before?

It appears Democrats are going to sweep Republicans from power this year. Where had all these Democrats been hiding?

The answer, of course, it is that the very same people who switched parties in 1994 are switching back today. I can see it within my own family. In 1994 the bulk of my family started voting Republican for federal offices. Those who actually pay at least a little attention to what is going on, switched back following the impeachment. Finally this year, family members who have been unable to speak to me for years without tossing in snide comments about Democrats, liberals, gays, blacks, hispanics, etc, are now forwarding me e-mails about Republican "crooks and bigots".

So, yeah, we can get back together. You just have to accept that a huge portion of the population follow the crowd. Don't take their stupidity too serious.


It helps, of course, that my family is from Indiana with a new Republican governor. His first big initiative was selling the tollroads to China. Now every time a Hoosier pays a toll they do so knowing their money is going to Red China.

And his second major initiative was to end Indiana's status as a "laughing stock" for refusing to engage in the stupidity known as daylight savings time. Living here in Chicago the past twenty years, I can't say I ever once heard anyone make fun of Indiana for not observing daylight savings time. Envy them, yes. Laugh at them, no. On the other hand, when he brought in daylight savings, he decided to employ his party's "better-closer-to-home" ideology -- the raionale for their claim to support States Rights -- and let every county decide for itself which time zone they wanted: Eastern or Central. Indiana is now a pock mark of time zones. And THAT I have heard made fun of. I know I've been laughing my ass off the past year.

Personally, I am trying to talk my relatives into pushing their county to petition for the Coordinated Universal Time zone (Greenwich Mean Time without observing Daylight Savings; used internally by computer networks to keep things straight time zones). They could become the most globalism friendly county in the country!


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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 09:33 AM
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43. I agree
for many Repug supporters the loyalty didn't run but so deep. They're jumping off the Hindenberg now...the smart ones anyway. Sounds like the governor will aid that exodus in Indiana. }(

This country may never be some pie-in-the-sky vision of "united."
But it damn well CAN work better. Everyone wants to see that.
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:41 PM
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31. Idealogical differences
can be traced back before the founding of the country. It is time that we recognize that politics is inherently pragmatic. It is about what works. Yes, we are deeply divided. Still, the majority of Amerikans believe the country is headed in the wrong direction. Seems to me like they are begging for some real leadership with a pragmatic workable plan. It really is all about the money.
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neoblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 04:32 PM
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35. A place always characterized by major differences of opinion....
It seems. It also seems that the particular makeup of the different factions changes over time, as does the particular issue of urgent concern.

Who knows, perhaps some future generation really will be well educated (with particular emphasis on civil rights, tolerance and the proper separation of church and state...) and also somehow literally everyone will have a good quality of life and opportunity to become as fully self-actualized as they might want, while the world itself will be at peace... Thus, there won't be any "big" issues promoting division. In your dreams. Human nature, it seems, at some overriding if subconscious level, demands people focus on differences and, just as a gas expands to fit it's container, from whatever differences do continue to exist, some select collection of them will rise to prominence--exaggerated trivialities if need be (imagine the blue eyed faction vs the brown eyed faction), but mankind will find a way to be forming 'exclusive' groups and attacking those who are different. This gets far worse... specifically... whenever people are reminded of their own mortality (ie. death), which stimulates an emotion called "fear".

Psychological studies have shown that this group forming behavior and in particular, the agressiveness towards members of other groups is stimulated by fear (they used subconscious
suggestion of death to elicit the circumstances in which behavior towards other groups was observed--and that's all it took! flashing images of death at speeds imperceptible to the conscious mind was enough--it seems our conscious minds aren't really in charge here). So, everytime you see a Republican remind everyone of 9/11... you're watching them manipulate the population into greater divisiveness! Likewise, Democrats unwittingly join in the same process when we remind everyone of all the casualties in IRAQ (both ours and theirs). It just makes everybody more afraid.

As FDR said in his first inaugural address "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself"--he was right, and in more ways than he knew.

Alas, while perhaps some generation may do better than we are doing, I doubt that any will ever be totally united; interestingly, at times of great national urgency, people can and do rather easily suppress their differences. The unity of the people during, say, WWII, was fairly strong--society even cast off many deep seated prejudices (slowly and grudgingly, perhaps) which led to advances on the civil rights fronts for women and African Americans (obviously it wasn't total and immediate equality, but opportunities were opened up (of course, there was great need and little choice)). Anyway, things like political differences became secondary for sure.

I think that's what's been going on. We've been in a sort of artificial or abnormal state for the last 50 years--owing to the war and the changes in the world caused by it. It placed the United States at a massive advantage to the rest of the world for a long time. Things have just been so easy on us as a people for so long--it reached a point where relatively few people even noticed "Politics". Many people don't even understand what politics is or how significantly it affects their lives--at least, for a long time there, they didn't. Suddenly, the world's become a hostile place... globalization, wage-stagnation, job loss, outsourcing, and T·E·R·R·O·R·I·S·M. Plus, in our complacency, we assumed that candidates for President would naturally have been screened for mental illness, insanity and imbecility; we were wrong, and we elected Dumbya. Empowered by the 9/11 catastrophe, he began his attack on the middle class... and simultaneously, the Right-Wing launched it's attacks across the board--attacks they'd been preparing--right out in the open--for the last couple of decades.

Indeed, Bush was just the tip of the crap-filled ice-berg. True to the opposite of his word, Bush was indeed a divider and not a uniter (well, he united the thuglicans I suppose--but he was referring specifically to uniting Republicans and Democrats which is exactly the opposite of what he did). Remember, in the Bush-World, up is down, good is bad, etc... it's the incarnation of some kind of bizzaro world, but it's consistent: say one thing, do the opposite. Healthy Forests means cut them down. Patriot means fascist oppression. No Child Left Behind means leave all non-wealthy children behind. Clear Skies means pollute them (clear away all those clean white clouds and fresh air). Anyway, the point is: times have changed--and become more 'normal' again. Normally, we would expect the nation to face serious challenges and being free, have a range of differing opinions. Now we're seeing serious political problems that the people can simply no longer afford to ignore--so they've entered the political fray. It seems an aberration, but really it's just a return to reality.

Personally, however, there will never be "unity" again. At least one-half of Americans are so wrong it strains the language to express it. They are some combination of the following: gullible, deluded, ignorant, misguided, mean/ugly/flawed and irretrievably unworthy. The people who would support this war, the people hoping for being "Raptured" and promoting violence in the middle east in support of their delusions, the list goes on--but these people disgrace America. Perhaps it's time we became a second-rate country and lose our position among the world's leading nations. Or perhaps it's time we tested our citizens for enlightened, rational thinking and personal integrity and ethics--and condemned the failures to a punishment of some sort of national service (until they pass the test, veracity verified by lie-detection) or, better yet, exile them (are there any large, semi-uninhabited, wild continents left (like the British did with Australia)? too bad...). As you can see, I won't be reconciling anytime soon. These people are responsible for most of the problems and suffering Americans will face for generations--and consequently, they're responsible for actually setting back the advancement of mankind for critical decades. Decades that matter since we'd better unite as a species and agree to make profoundly difficult changes (profoundly difficult, really, only for people used to living in 'advanced', 'modern', 'industrial countries--that is, people who are 'spoiled') before we've irreversibly destroyed the Earth's ecosphere.

Though, I must admit... I too was guilty of political complacency (as is true, albeit to a lesser degree, even of elected Democratic 'leaders'). Time was easy, we figured there'd really be little difference regardless of who was elected President... Half the electorate didn't even bother to vote. Thing is, that hasn't changed by anywhere near as much as it should have. I have also enjoyed cheap gasoline, taken air conditioning for granted and didn't worry about leaving the lights on. We need change and we need it now. The last thing we need is to bankrupt our country fighting a war primarily intended to get more oil to burn or ensure profitable supplies for our corporations (and our economy--which, alas, is secondary to profits)...

Final note: people occasionally do surprise me. Close-minded bigoted people can suddenly wake up and see the error of their ways and sincerely seek to change. It has happened. It can happen. As another poster said, though, I won't be conceding anything. We are right and they are not only wrong, but exceedingly harmfully wrong. If they give it up and join us... I can accept them. I won't forget, but we can focus on solving the problems and moving forward as a United States of America.
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meldroc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 05:08 PM
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37. We're dangerously close...
I think that this fall's election is America's last chance to get back on track before the right wing closes all the doors. Then, as Claire Wolfe says, American will be at that awkward stage. "It's too late to work within the system, and too early to shoot the bastards."
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 05:28 PM
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41. We have always been divided .
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 05:29 PM by blues90
What I see now is it is clearely out in the open now . And with the religous right who bush claims to support along with the open bigots and this profiling banter we will end up with clear lines being drawn .

I doubt there is a way to change anyones personal point of view , it can be adapted perhaps if there were open minded people out there in greater numbers .

I fear once it has reached the point it has already there in now no going back .

It is also true unfortunately that the repugs have the big money support and lobby support as do the dems who are not true to their party . This makes winning seats a difficult job , Lamont had his own money to draw on . also true those in control have all the money and weapons , they have all out personal data so we can be identified and found if desired . This list is endless , and we have our truth and hope trying to fight this monster .

This is not to say we have no cahnce or all is hopeless , it is only to see the figures and todays reality .

We have to stop the machines for votes and other forces . We don't have alot of time left .

I think most people hoping for a change like me will be a bit nervous until novembers votes are tallied . Then we still have the dictator in office and his murdering crime thugs .

If we win this will still not change the wedge of being divided , that is the people .

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