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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:19 PM
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Here's an Idea for Ned Lamont: Attack Alan Schlesinger
I know what you're thinking: Alan who? Isn't Joe Lieberman supposed to be Ned Lamont's biggest opponent?

Indeed. But I believe Lamont can help his campaign and hurt Lieberman by building up Republican candidate Alan Schlesinger. According to an August 17 Quinnipiac Poll, here's how the CT Senate Race currently stands:

Joe Lieberman (I) 49%
Ned Lamont (D) 38%
Alan Schlesinger (R) 4%

I know that Connecticut is a blue state, but a Republican really should be polling higher than 4 percent -- even in a three-way race. Back in 2000, Philip Giordano, Joe Lieberman's Republican opponent for US Senate in Connecticut, received 35% of the vote. In my opinion, that should be considered the baseline of support for a Republican when Lieberman is on the ticket in a Connecticut US Senate race.

Considering where things stand now, I think it's highly unlikely that Schlesinger could possibly get 35% of the vote. But I don't think it is unreasonable for him to get himself up into the low 20s, if only he would make some effort to get his pathetic campaign off the ground. I suspect that at least 20% of Connecticut voters are anti-choice enough, anti-gay enough, or anti-environment enough to the point that voting for Lieberman would be considered an unacceptable compromise (or even immoral). If they knew they had a "moral" choice who shares their extremist ideology, they would likely vote for him. The problem is that all of the media coverage has been on Lamont/Lieberman, so nobody knows who Alan Schlesinger is. (Heck, I don't know a thing about the guy and unfortunately his website is down right now so I have no easy way to figure out what his positions are on issues like abortion, gay rights, or the environment. Still, I think it is safe to assume that he is worse than Lamont or Lieberman on these issues, or could be easily made to look that way.)

Alan Schlesinger does not seem to be doing much of anything to support his own candidacy, and neither is the GOP. So the only person with any hope of raising Mr. Schlesinger's profile is probably Ned Lamont. And how would Lamont do that? One way is by giving money to his campaign, but I think that's a little too obvious. A better way to raise Schlesinger's profile would be for Ned Lamont to attack him relentlessly, on TV and at all his campaign stops:

- Attack him for his opposition to abortion rights.
- Attack him for his opposition to gay rights.
- Attack him for his opposition to environmental protection.
- Attack him for being a strong supporter of the Bush Agenda.

The point is of this approach is NOT to peel supporters from the Schlesinger column and put them into the Lamont column. The point is to peel supporters from Lieberman and put them into the Schlesinger column.

If Lamont's attacks can move Schlesinger from 4% to 6%, then Lamont can argue that Schlesinger is "surging in the polls by 50%" which provides a self-fulfilling justification for attacking Schlesinger. It also gives Republicans a reason to believe that maybe Schlesinger isn't such a big loser -- After all, he's got Ned Lamont so scared, he's attacking him.

If by election day Schlesinger can be moved from 4% to 20%, then the vast majority of the 16% swing is going to come from Republicans who are currently supporting Lieberman. If they all came from Lieberman, the final vote would look like this:

Joe Lieberman (I) 33%
Ned Lamont (D) 38%
Alan Schlesinger (R) 20%

Which would make Ned Lamont the winner.

Connecticut voters are already well informed about both Lamont and Lieberman, so focusing the campaign there is going to have diminishing returns. If this can be turned into a three-way race, and conservatives can be made better informed about Schlesinger, then Lamont wins.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:25 PM
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1. "Thou dost protest too much."
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 02:28 PM by jsamuel
good idea

I am not 100% sure it will work, but the more exposure Alan gets, the more votes would probably peel off Lieberman.
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 05:31 PM
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49. Very Machiavellian. Excellent idea.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:28 PM
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2. Smart!!
Highlight the issues GOP voters may support Schlesinger on. Makes sense! :hi:
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:29 PM
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3. Certainly the more he can make this a 3 person race
the better Ned will do. I don't know how many republicans will go for it, with the leadership all backing Lieberman. I think Ned needs to do much more to dispel the idea that Lieberman is a "centrist" and really plaster the meme that he is a Republican in sheep's clothing. How Joe and Cheney are shoulder to shoulder, so to speak. He needs to point out how Today's Lieberman isn't the good ol' Joe people think he is. And he needs to be doing this starting yesterday.
His staff also needs to be figuring out how to push Joe's buttons, so to speak, and make him lash out in more crazed sounding responses. It seems like the way Joe responded to his defeat was a sign of instability.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:32 PM
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4. Gotta Hand It To Ya Skinner. That's A Creatively Brilliant Strategy
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 02:33 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
I can't find a thing logically false about it and in fact think it very well could work. It is going to be tough for Ned to take on Joe head to head, but it is amazingly insightful to recognize that can be circumvented by siphoning votes away from Joe via Alan, as opposed to convincing voters (especially the GOP ones) to vote for Ned instead of Lieberman.

Great job on this idea Skinner! Now we just have to find a way to convince the Lamont campaign to go this route!

:thumbsup:
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:34 PM
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5. KICK
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:35 PM
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6. It would be a real coup, if Ned could just debate Schlessinger one-on-one.
As I recall, Joe has agreed in the past not to include "independents" and other parties out of the general debates. It would be funny to see that come back and bite Joe in the a**.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:55 PM
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33. That's right!
Good post.
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 04:55 AM
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75. What goes around comes around! Yeee-haa! Joe-fizzle!! (not mentum). n/t
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:35 PM
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7. It would help to
bring the R up more but not sure about him getting 20%. This is CT and their may not be that high a per centage of voters who are so committed to anti-choice, anti-gay beliefs. It has to be made clear that Nomojoe left the democratic party and if you are voting for the a dem seat in the Senate, if you really want change, Lamont if the only choice.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:37 PM
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8. I Don't Even Understand Those Poll Numbers
Wassup with CT that they would vote for Droopy Dawg after all his Bush-smoochin BS??
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:37 PM
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9. But what happens if/when Schlesinger drops out?
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 02:39 PM by WilliamPitt
He's getting no support from his own party, no dough. It's a distinct possibility.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:46 PM
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17. Good question.
I hadn't really thought about that. I guess Lamont could persuade one of his Republican friends to get on the ballot, and then start attacking him. :D
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:51 PM
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22. Hey, Don't Be So Quick On The Buzzkill LOL
:P

In all seriousness though, you pose a legitimate question. But hopefully if Skinner's idea was to take off and gain some legs, maybe the financial situation would change a bit for him. Also, if Ned attacked him with enough wit and consistency while relating him to the republican party itself the republicans would be more inclined to step to his defense, since they're being attacked as well, and may then finally start endorsing him.

Guess it would all come down to timing and chance.
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:38 PM
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10. Only one word I can think of for that Skinner
Brilliant!
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Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:39 PM
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11. What is CT thinking?
For such a Blue state, you'd think the way Lieberman has attacked his Democratic collegues, buddied up to the Right and racked up a dozen or so endorsements from some of the Right-wing partisan whack-jobs out there, just the very thought of voting for Lieberman should turn their stomaches.

If anyone can reach the Lamont Campaign, suggest to them they read a letter I wrote to ABC News the other day with regards to their reporting on his campaign win:
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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:56 PM
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34. Contact info for Lamont's campaign:
203) 634-6601

info@nedlamont.com

Great letter, BTW. Really great.
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Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 06:21 PM
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53. Isolating Joe.
Thanks.

I think another good reason to campaign more against the GOP candidate rather than Joe is to isolate him, push him to the outside... "not a serious alternative". Right now, Joe is thriving off all the free publicity, and seen as a serious contender only because the Lamont campaign continues to treat him as such.

Once they start to treat Joe like any other "third party wannabee candidate", he'll quickly loose the mystique of being worthy of serious consideration.

I know of what I speak... I supported Perot in '92. :)
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 04:42 PM
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45. So far, the Dem support for Lamont has been tepid
Some of them stood on stage with him the night he won. I have not seen any promises of actually campaigning for Ned, though. There is a big difference between cutting a check because you are almost obligated to and actually driving a few miles up the road to CT from Chappaqua to help campaign for him. (Chappaqua is practically walking distance from the CT border...)

John Kerry wrote a nice piece on DailyKos, and John Edwards came to town yesterday. Those two are exceptions. And, writing a piece on DailyKos is not quite the same as coming to town like Edwards.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 12:04 AM
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65. Nice
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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:39 PM
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12. You Mean Mr Gold
Not to be confused with Goldfinger..

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:40 PM
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13. Exactly - Dems would be CRAZY to not force the GOP hypocrites into
this corner.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:40 PM
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14. Skinner, I hope you send this to Lamont's campaign manager!
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:43 PM
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15. I like what Lamont said about this...
He said it to Tweety:

"Even if Lieberman drops out, it'll still be a 3-way race, with me running against Schlesinger and Gold." :rofl:

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Lamont-does-hard.wmv
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:47 PM
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19. LOL
I had missed that one. :thumbsup:
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:45 PM
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16. As helderheid said, SEND IT TO LAMONT'S TEAM!
Do it NOW!
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:47 PM
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18. Great idea.
Sounds like something the wingnut would fall for.
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Surya Gayatri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:49 PM
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20. K & R
Send this over to the Lamont camp now! I get the impression they have been (momentarily, I hope) flummoxed by the Lieberman dirty tricks. SG
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:51 PM
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21. This is actually a great strategy.
Ignore Lieberman for the time being and attack Schlesinger. Sometimes, attack him on some of the same issues Lieberman supports republicans on. Also, attack him over the myriad of issues from healthcare, bankruptcy bill, social security privitization, the debt, overall economic issues, civil liberties, as well as the Iraq issue. In a way, it will show Lamont fighting the republican and make it appear as Lieberman taking pot shots at Lamont while commenting primarily on him and making him appear the same as the republican at times by use of his arguing points.
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KikiDisme Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:56 PM
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23. Connecticut race
Hi, long time reader, 1st time poster!

I think that's a brilliant idea. I'm astounded that the REPUBLICAN is polling at 4%! Whatever happened to party loyalty? Oh wait, once they're no use to them, they dump them, I forgot. (same as local Republicans here in Tallahassee)
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:58 PM
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24. Welcome to DU, KikiDisme.
I also think it is astounding that a Republican could poll at 4%. It is just too low, even for a three-way race.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:30 PM
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25. Joe is the candidate
of the Washington establishment. Period. The ONLY local candidates who stand for their own parties and state are the two party nominees. Blunt, simple and true. Resent being told by the major leaders of the DC Establishment that they want their guy no matter what, no matter what party? This is the time to tie waits to those negative coattails. Clinton loves him, Bush loves him, even Dick Nixon would have spared a hug. And the most you can say about why is 100% negative and has nothing to do with the interests of the voters of Connecticut. Independent of what? Only of the state's voters and local parties.

Joe dressed as Alice, being hugged by Tweedledee and Tweedledum, springs to mind.

Other than that ignore him completely and carry on dialog debate with the GOP candidate, in the papers, over the airways.
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theanarch Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 04:04 PM
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36. close...but no cigar (will a joint suffice?)...
...if Lamont is going to run against anyone who isn't Lieberman, it damn well better be Bush: his wars, his fiscal irresponsibility, his diviciveness, his ecocidal policies, his tax-cuts for billionaires, his incompetence, and yes (no matter how hard it is to admit) his top-down class warfare (there still isn't any other way to motivate the working poor to vote at all unless you promise to tax rich people for the underclass's benefit). And tying Lieberman to as much of all that as possible, which shouldn't be TOO difficult.

Schlesinger is a campaign non-entity and irrelevancy, and there is no sensible reason to not leave him that way--he's taking 4% of the GOP/RW-indy vote away from Lieberman on his own, and Lamont should be content with, and grateful for, that much. Remember folks, Lamont may have the all-precious "Democratic" line, but he hardly has the support of the Democratic organization, like unions (GOTV), black churches (GOTV), the CT media; and he can't compete with Lieberman for corporate cash (insurance, health, defense) or the pro-Israeli vote (even if it's just 5, 10, 15K votes--less than 1%, in a close race, it's enough). In short, it's "us" (left-leaning/anti-establishment independents, progressive Democrats and the anti-war movement) versus the DLC, much of the DNC (look at all those tepid, reluctant, pro-forma, 'gawd-do-i-really-have-to? "endorsements" by senate Democrats), the RNC, AIPAC, Wall St., and, last if hardly least, the pro-war, pro-Bush M$M. Lamont's only...i repeat ONLY...hope is to make this election a referendum on BUSH, first and foremost, and secondly portraying Lieberman's role as Bush enabler.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:37 PM
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26. It's either that or attack both
at the same time in order to connect them together with the republican party and its policies.
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sentelle Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:38 PM
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27. He Could also mention
How The MSM has left him out to dry, in favor of Liber-whore.
thereby killing two birds with one stone
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:47 PM
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28. Lamont needs to make sure to have debates with Schlesinger.
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 03:57 PM by IanDB1
I'm almost tempted to volunteer for the Schlesinger campaign.


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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:48 PM
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29. We should all donate to Schlesinger's campaign.
How hilarious would that be? Also, make sure there's a libertarian on the ballot. And a strong pro-lifer.
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:51 PM
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30. That would take a page right out of the 'pukes playbook
That is the one thing that we haven't twigged to is to manipulate things so that we run against the one we want to. Nixon did it and Repukes have been ever since. Of course they keep from getting caught doing dirty tricks. Build up Schlesinger's credentials and force the Lyarman to run against him. A two front war is never easy.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:53 PM
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31. That's GREAT ADVICE Skinner....
Don't even talk about Joe....Attack your REPUBLICAN opponent! Talk about how the REPUBLICANS are screwing up the country, and go after Schlesinger! Put Joe on the defensive by making him AGREE with Lamont!

That's beautiful. YOU REALLY NEED TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THE LAMONT CAMPAIGN ON THIS STRATEGY!! Will you, please?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:54 PM
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32. Good strategy, and it should be the policy anyways.
we should not let the republicans field an independent candidate against us, that's two against one.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 04:01 PM
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35. Y'know, that's a hell of a good idea. Lamont should be doing this.
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redherring Donating Member (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 04:04 PM
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37. This is a good idea
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 04:05 PM
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38. This is a good attack strategy... Now as for what Lamont is for?...
Perhaps have him emphasize that he is all about what a majority of PEOPLE of Connecticut want, whether they be Democrats or moderates in the middle. He can position Schlesinger as the party of extreme right viewpoints, which as he said will draw the minority of extreme right wing types to him, and Lieberman as well as Schlesinger as both representing corporate interests over the interests of the people, which their new campaign finance laws that a majority of those in Connecticut voted in place will fix later too and work better with a man of the people, Ned Lamont.

Perhaps one issue that he could use to help further split the right wing vote between Lieberman and Schlesinger camps would be immigration. And I would suggest that Lamont say he's going to provide leadership in championing a third alternative if he's made a part of a Democratic Majority in the Senate, which focuses less on demonizing immigrants and expensive border walls and security, and also less on corporate welfare in the form of cheap labor offered by the competing bill that uses guest worker programs. Champion what Thom Hartmann has advocated which is landing hard on the supply of jobs by going after the "illegal employers" instead, and help provide a less expensive solution that will provide better wages for average Americans too than a guest worker program will. I think a three way split on this would perhaps do the split that Skinner suggests that puts Lamont on top, and might set a new template if we have newer Democrats come into play in elections like this in the future to throw out the corporatist and xenophobic baggage on both sides.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 04:21 PM
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39. This is my idea...
I posted it earlier in a thread that got lost in the shuffle:

The barebones idea is here...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2785966&mesg_id=2785979

read post #13 in this thread for more....


Rp
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 04:24 PM
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41. Looks like you beat me too it.
Yours is a different approach, but the intent is still the same -- peel off conservatives from Joes right flank.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 04:41 PM
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44. I figure we can keep Lamont squeaky clean
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 04:42 PM by MessiahRp
That way Dems will grow on him more for not being as bitter/partisan as Joe tries to project him as, while we, the grassroots, do the dirty work. If we can succeed in pulling Republicans away from Joe and Lamont can win over Dems with a campaign that plays less against Lieberman but more against Bush (whom everyone disagrees with) yet leaves in obvious hints of who Joe is connected to we could easily turn Joe's candidacy into a non-factor.

We need to get good email lists for Republicans and Democrats for CT so we can start this. They have played the dirtiest politics ever the past 12 years and in doing so they swept Congress and the White House, not to mention they stole the Supreme Court in the process for the future.

We need to start political street fighting back with them. Joe has decided to sell his soul to the Devil, side up with the GOP and Rove and work with them. He is the enemy now and if we can render him pointless they have nobody to cling to.

Rp
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 04:23 PM
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40. Schlesinger in the spotlight for any reason is good.

...He's a perfect example of Republicanism. We laugh at the pathetic R candidates in deep blue states, but in reality the ones running and winning in red states are just as pathetic.

Maybe if this guy gets dragged into the spotlight he'll be angry enough at the RNC to start attacking Lieberman, or maybe not, but in any case he's a poster child for the jerkwads in that party.

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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 04:26 PM
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42. Skinner, what's going on here?
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 04:27 PM by yibbehobba
In the past few days I've seen no less than three non-admin-related posts by you in GD. And then today I saw that you had posted in LBN.

LBN.

Skinner, I don't know what anybody else thinks, and maybe this is too strong a criticism, but I don't pay my goddamn hard-earned dollars to DU so that you and your admin buddies can go galavanting about on internet discussion forums pretending to be political operatives.

You have a website to run. Get to it, Man!


xoxoxo

-Yib.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 04:28 PM
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43. LOL
I consider myself appropriately chastised.

:spank:
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 05:21 PM
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46. It's more than shifting votes from Lieberman to Schlesinger
This strategy reinforces the idea that elections are normally between a Democrat and a Republican. In this one there's some other guy out there too but he's doing a kind of weird fringy thing. I'm attacking my "real" opponent, the Republican. That kind of marginalizes Lieberman.

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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 05:27 PM
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47. Here's a message for Lamont. Keep cool. Work like a dog but stay healthy
and get plenty of rest. More specifically, take the high road. But don't take any shit. Remember what got you this far. Keep it up but don't go overboard with rhetoric. Don't get stale. Get some winner photo ops but stay away from goofy celebrities. That's it for now.
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 05:28 PM
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48. I think Tweety did enough
by getting Schlesinger to admit he has a $10,000 gambling problem on Hardball

Sorry, Skinner, I think this is just fantasy
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 05:44 PM
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51. Kire.. I heard the audio of Tweety, he fileted the other guy.
Tweety took Schlesinger apart.
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 06:20 PM
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52. "I'm your man, Chris"
"No, you're not"
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 06:51 PM
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57. The point is to make Schlesinger MORE popular among Republicans...
...by attacking him for being anti-choice on abortion, pro-Bush, etc.

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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:35 PM
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64. I think anyone with hald a brain would see through this in a second.
This will never work. And if it does, then some Freeper on FR is going to see this thread and smack the whole thing down on their blogs.

It's artificial, it's trasparent, and have you ever seen it done before? I mean, for real?

Sorry to be the voice of reason, but this is just silly.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 12:05 AM
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66. Ned Lamont has more than one opponent, including a Republican opponent.
Edited on Sat Aug-19-06 12:07 AM by Eric J in MN
I don't think it would be artificial for Lamont to devote part of his speech to cricizing Schlesinger.

An ad saying "Alan Schlesinger would take away a woman's right to choose" wouldn't seem artificial. Ads saying that have been done before.
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 12:34 AM
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67. But believing it would somehow improve Schlesinger's numbers
C'mon now, let's be reasonable.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 12:47 AM
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68. It would point out to people who consider themselves "pro life"
...who the "pro life" candidate is. And that would get Schlesinger votes.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 03:33 PM
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96. Update: Schlesinger is pro-choice.
Lamont could still criticize him for having "Republican values" which aren't right for CT.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 02:35 AM
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74. Of course it will work.
This kind of thing has been the Repukes' winning strategy for years! Who cares if they see this thread in Freeperville? It will still work.
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jwdeviant Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 05:35 PM
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50. This is an excellent idea, but it can't be the whole focus
Possibly start with ads doing what you suggest and then in the last month start pushing hard the image of Lieberman the Repub.

"Lamont: the candidate who scares the Republican party so much that they support an Independent."
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 06:28 PM
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54. Who needs Karl Rove... we have Skinner! n/t
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 06:31 PM
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55. Great idea. NT
NT
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 06:45 PM
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56. Absolutely (nt)
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 07:53 PM
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58. What a mess
Joe Lieberman will be the new (R) from CT
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:40 PM
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59. Interesting idea. I like the opportunity a Lamont attack on the R
candidate would offer to CT Republicans to do the right thing and show some support their own primary candidate. :evilgrin:

Seriously, it would be a good move for Lamont to take the focus off the Lieberman issue somewhat. It is counterproductive at this point, as you mention. A rhetorical reminder that there's a Republican in the race would help his candidacy, imo.



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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:05 PM
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60. LTTE could help
This doesn't all have to be on his campaign's back.

Folks can write LTTE's highlighting why they prefer Lamont over Schlesinger.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:09 PM
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61. Excellant idea to send ads attacking Joe & Schlesinger, a 2 for1
regaining more Dem support by Lamont getting more personable with the people of Connecticut, more exposure, hitting Schlesinger and reaching those who think they're supporting Lieberman.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:31 PM
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62. Excellent plan Skinner!
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Canuck55 Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:32 PM
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63. Agree, but modified
I think Lamont's best course of action at this point is to entirely take any mention of Lieberman out of the equation. Treat it like it is Ned Lamont vs Alan Schlesinger, and go into 'Joe who?' mode when the question inevitably turns to that, the media are the ones driving home the '3-way race' mantra.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 12:49 AM
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69. Great IDEA Skinner!
I have a feeling that people are going to SLAM LIEberman, it's a referendum on everything wrong with the Bush admin, who frankly are using this clown as a PUPPET.

I've created a Flash work about this and am happy to post it here for all to see, be sending it over to Buzzflash soon and where ever some will pick it up.. I'm going to help Lamont in every way I can with whatever resources I have.

*******************Posting this on a seperate thread, but wanted to share with Skinner as well in case he misses it******

Here's my latest work all about Joe LIEberman's ridiculous run as a "Party of One", which reminds me of "Army of One" (which gives ME a mental image of a guy stuck under fire in a foxhole, looking around and saying, "WHERE the hell IS EVERYBODY!!") :) -- Makes about as much sense in a marketing vein. Party of One, Translates into "Party of NONE" when it involved LIEberman, might as well be saying, "Party of ME", eh?

This flash also incorporates the fact that the Terror Lockdown on Liquids, etc came so close on the heels of Joe's Smackdown by Lamont as to not be considered credible - even today they are confirming that people will walk FREE because they don't have the evidence to hold them, let alone that there were NO Explosives in their possession, they hadn't even made reservations, etc, etc..

Meanwhile they talk about charging a PREGNANT woman for having some water, and a face wipe - this flash addresses those concerns as well, the fact that WE are being used as PUPPETS in a The Politics of Terror.

Remember, a republican said they'd ride this last nonThreat all the way into November. Let's prove them wrong.. Let's VOTE for Lamont, as we all know this last Primary was a referendum on Bush and his faked "war". The Nerve of LIEberman to shit all over the Democrats. It's like using a girlfriend to get you through medical school and then snatching up the Trophy Wife once you've graduated. How can we ever trust this Puppet again?

One of my best Flash works ever, and to the Tune of "Masters of War" by Mr Bob Dylan, and no truer words were spoken in our time.

Have a look at:

http://web.takebackthemedia.com/geeklog/public_html/staticpages/index.php?page=20060819044200833

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 12:55 AM
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70. And the Green could help
Which would also help draw the distinction between Lamont and the far left at the same time. If Democrats are ever going to take over that broad middlish vote, we'd better figure out how to do it right now against Lieberman. He really can't win or we're stuck with more "comity" bullshit for who knows how long. Shoving Joe off with Schlesinger and the right, making clear the distinction of the Green left, is the only way for us to pull back into being the mainstream of thought in this country. We really do have to win this one.
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Crowskie Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 01:36 AM
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71. To me, the best idea would be to...
Put out ads that basically say where Lamont stands on an issue, where Schlesinger stands, and why Lamont feels the way he does(Including the problems with Schlesinger's position.) I don't live in CT, so I can't say for sure, but it seems Lamont has tried to stay away from direct attack ads, and I think that it would say a lot about him as a candidate if he continued. I think attack ads on Lieberman should then be run by supporters of Lamont(Like Moveon.org, for example). I dunno, sounds good to me at least.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 02:06 AM
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72. Alan Schlesinger is pro-choice.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Alan_Schlesinger_Abortion.htm

"He is pro-choice but supports parental consent for minors to obtain an abortion."
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 02:30 PM
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95. That's weird, then I guess by CT standards, Joe is a Moderate Republican
I'll admit that despite his kiss assing of Bush, he'd be considered pretty liberal in other parts of the country, but if CT Republicans won't even nominate a pro-lifer then Joe must be pretty middle of the road for CT.
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 02:09 AM
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73. The ingenious plan of the Repubs:
At the last minute (9/22/06)...withdraw support of Lieberman for a contrived reason.
Urge the sheep to throw their vote to Schlesinger.

The Dems split the vote between Ned and Joe... the 'Pubbie wins by a lousy 3%

Mission Accomplished.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 05:01 AM
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76. It might work, but it could backfire.
Schlesinger is, at this point, a joke. Lamont might be perceived as a nut for even giving him the time of day let alone debating him. Actually, unless Lieberman officially switches parties, I don't see the benefit of the Republicans having a nonviable candidate since it's the numbers in the Senate that count and Holy Joe doesn't vote with them all the time. Maybe they will throw in a bona fide candidate near the end.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 05:26 AM
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77. No, He needs to paint Lieberman AS the republican n/t
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 07:34 AM
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79. Gopmentum !
:rofl:
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 06:50 AM
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78. I'd like to see an action alert
Edited on Sat Aug-19-06 06:51 AM by symbolman
maybe a DU action, where we all send Schlesinger a PLAYING CARD, from any old deck of cards, with a note attached - "MY Vote is not going to someone who's been KICKED out of Las Vegas for Counting Cards.. You can COUNT this card as ONE VOTE you WON'T be Receiving, and I support Lamont."

Smother the guy in cards sent through the mail, might even make the news :)
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NewSpectrum Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 07:50 AM
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80. I am hitting alert........
I think the poster should be banned, and this thread locked, for even suggesting/implying we support a two bit Republican like Alan Schlesinger. I thought this board was for Democrats and a place where we support Democratic candidates only.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 07:58 AM
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81. Either you're joking...
...or you *completely* missed the point. I can't tell.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 08:07 AM
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82. Yes, I agree..
Skinner should lock himself.. :)
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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 04:00 PM
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99. You're still posting?
Haven't you banned yourself yet? ;)
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Brian Stevens Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 08:54 AM
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83. Hate to say this
Please don't overestimate the sample of the polls. They did the same thing to Kerry, and look what happened.
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 09:07 AM
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84. Kind of an aside ... but -
I was in Connecticut the weekend before the primary. Both of my friends happen to be moderate Republicans, and as we walked around an arts festival, one asked the other who the Republican candidate is. The native did not know. Within 5 minutes, we were approached by none other than Alan himself. Considering how closely I've been watching the race (and that I had forgotten Alan's name) it struck me.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 09:15 AM
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85. Baby killer Lieberman supports abortion! If I was a republican, &
with my upstanding right-wing religious beliefs I couldn't vote for Lieberman.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:37 AM
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86. An issue that could create the split is immigration...
Edited on Sat Aug-19-06 10:40 AM by calipendence
That is a good issue that has been used to split or direct the votes in other races. Lieberman is what many on the right would consider "pro amnesty" with his support of the McCain bill, and Schlesinger supports the House xenophobic bill.

Personally I think there should be a third position like one that Thom Hartmann has put out that advocates neither of these choices and looks to more prosecute "illegal employment" and prosecute those that employ illegals more aggressively to dry up the job supply over here so that we don't need an expensive wall to keep aliens out. They'll go on their own if they can't find work here, and it helps keep our wages higher since we don't keep having a larger labor supply to deflate them as is happening now or would happen with a guest worker program. If Lamont were to advocate that, then I think it might help us champion that later if and when the party gets control.

Here in district 50, Brian Bilbray was forced to be more on the House bill on the side, since I'm sure his people sensed that if he supported the guest worker program publicly, that would have had much of his constituency defect over to the independent that was endorsed by the Minutemen here and see as more of an "honest" supporter of the House bill. Francine Busby stuck too much with the McCain bill without offering enough of what would be her differences with it to point out that she was more for addressing the "illegal employment" problem than she was for having a "guest worker" program that was called "amnesty".

Since then, Bilbray recently has "quietly" on one occasion indicated support for guest worker program in the case of farm workers, so I think his lobbyist/corporatist true colors are showing there, and I'm hoping Busby jumps on that more in the fall.

Here, all we need to do is get enough of those in Connecticut that side with the reactionary xenophobic right on this issue to move to Schlesinger from Lieberman to create the split we're hoping for here. If Lamont advocates the "sensible middle", then the corporatists and the xenophobes will be split down the middle and Lamont wins and sets an example of how the Dems should be treating the immigration issue this coming year.

And immigration issue is just emotional enough that it will be hard for the corporatist media to continue to try and herd the Republicans all over to Lieberman on. There will be plenty that won't "swallow" that for this issue.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:52 AM
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87. Skinner, this is a great idea. I sent this link to my family in CT.
I told one brother to print it off and take it to Lamont's office.
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Iniquitous Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:52 AM
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88. I like it!
:thumbsup:

Republicans are supporting Mr. Republican-Light himself because the know Schlesinger has no chance to win in November (and Lieberman's continued support of the Republican foreign policy agenda is their main goal anyway).

Divide and conquer is one of our best bets at the moment.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 11:10 AM
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89. I'm not sure about using the vote % Giordano received in 2000 as a baseline
Edited on Sat Aug-19-06 11:24 AM by NNN0LHI
Philip Giordano was arrested on two federal counts of using of an interstate facility to entice a child under the age of 16 to engage in sexual activity, and conspiracy to carry out that offense in July of 2001.

I have a suspicion word may have been out on this Giordano guy in certain circles long before that election took place.

I would need to know how much financial support Giordano received from the national GOP before making any any kind of assumption about this. Or did any big name Republicans ever come in and get on the same stage with this guy?

I mean if he was arrested in July of 2001 there was likely a grand jury a year or more before that. All it would have taken was one person sitting on the jury, a low level court worker, or someone in the federal prosecutors office to get the word out to the right people.

Just a gut feeling.

Don
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 12:05 PM
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90. I don't know--to me, this seems similar to the Santorum groupies
donating money to the Green Party candidate in order to draw off votes from Casey. Weren't we just talking about how disgusting that tactic was? The spirit behind this is the same, even if the method is different. We're talking about building up support for a hopeless 3rd candidate in order to draw off votes from the guy we don't like.

I believe that Lamont will win out in the end, because he's the right man for the job. I have faith in the voters of Connecticut. They know what's at risk, and I believe they'll send Lieberman packing in November because he's an ineffective, wishy-washy toadie for Bush. I thought this tactic was wrong when Santorum's followers used it, and I think it's still wrong now. Even if that puts me in the minority 'round here.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 12:08 PM
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91. That strategy has been used before.
Sometimes it works. Nice idea.
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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 12:26 PM
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92. Great Idea
I've been thinking that there had to be a way to get the Repubs here to vote for Alan and not Loserman
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 12:30 PM
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93. How is Schlesinger different than Lieberman?
abortion, gay rights, environment, Bush supporter - all the same, am I wrong?

aren't these all in line with the target demographic too?
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 12:48 PM
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94. Well, Lieberman is splitting the R ticket
So, let it be split!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 03:47 PM
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97. Well, it is also possible Schlesinger will drop out due to lack of support
so I will continue hammering LIEberCon.

Your idea is very good, but I suggest a two-pronged attack to prepare for either eventuality.

I also think we should attack Lieberman's character, since his base is uneducated and reactionary.

"Lieberman cannot be trusted. He cuts and runs on his own people, etc."


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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 03:52 PM
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98. My God, I take my hat off to you, Sir--that is a brilliant strategy
and hopefully one the Lamont people will follow.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 04:09 PM
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100. the problem with that is it will also peel away independents from Lamont
It's a risky strategy, that may not lead to any net gain.

Lieberman is going to attack Lamont, Lamont will have to respond to Lieberman, not Schlesinger.

Schlesinger will respond to attacks and Lamont will be responding to two attacks from the right and the center, pushing him to the left, when Lamont really needs center moderate votes to win.
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theanarch Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:01 AM
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101. as i said previously (post #36), Lamont...
...has to make this election a referendum on Bush, and tying Lieberman to Junior on as many issues/votes as possible. Remember, Lieberman's ORGANIZATIONAL support is still the CT Democratic Party, and by hammering Joe on his many pro-GOP positions/votes, Lamont clearly threatens to split that vote. To counter Lieberman either will have to 1) admit the truth of accusation(s), thus driving more Democrats/moderate independents to Ned, or 2) (the more likely) defending himself by highlighting his Democratic/neo-liberal credentials, which will give harder-right Republicans and Indy's second thoughts about Joe, and first thoughts about Schlesinger. The advantage to this strategy is it's transparancy (and well within the bounds of 'smart' politics--staying focused on the main opponent), tying Lieberman to Bush, who is wildly unpopular in CT, even among Indy's and a lot of GOPs, and manouevering Lieberman to alienate one major pool of voters or another (which is sort of what Skinner is proposing, only this way, Lieberman does it for Lamont, instead of Lamont trying to manipulate the situation directly), all of which work to Lamont's favor.

The point about Skinner's proposal too closely resembling Santorum's gaming the system with Greens in Pa. should not be lighly dismissed.
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NobleCynic Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:19 PM
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102. Brilliant in a perverted way
Hopefully someone on his campaign staff will latch on to this idea. Even poorly executed it should have some effect. You can get 10% of the population behind just about anything after all, and 20? No tthat big a jump
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:21 PM
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103. Schlesinger is such a joke at this point
That this would tantamount to Gore focusing on Buchanan or Nader in 2000 instead of Bush.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:29 PM
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104. That will only work until Alan takes the hint from the WH and drops out
We all know who the de facto GOP Senate candidate in Connecticut is. You know it; I know it; Republican loyalists in Connecticut know it; sooner or later, Schlesinger will figure it out, too.
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