Dem Message in this whole Warrantless Wiretapping Ruling.

[Ioo]

Guys (Bloggers, Other Board Posters) ,Make sure we get our message out, we can not win the battle of opinion on this unless we make sure that the argument is framed in fact.

Right now the right wing is saying that an “Activist Judge” has taken away a vital tool in the war on terror. NOT TRUE...

This is all about one thing the “Warrantless” part. We need to make sure that we make it clear that the administration can still wiretap all the people they want, as long as they get a court warrant.

Now we have all heard “Well if you have nothing to hide you should not care about them listening in” OUR response, “If Bush really is tapping terrorists, he should not be afraid of a little oversight (or paper trail).” you can go in to say "You really think the secret court would say no to tapping a terrorist?"

Make sure that we keep to the fact, NO TOOL HAS BEEN REMOVED, the courts are just making you use the tool correctly, THAT IS ALL.

[izzybeans]

1. The message is in my sig. line delivered directly from the judge.

[Ioo]

2. Oh yah, that message will work great when you talk to a right winger...

She is right, but I have to agree to one thing that O'Riley said, "The left is to Nuanced", we are a little to smart to appeal to the masses.

[izzybeans]

4. Saying you can't make shit up if it isn't in the constitution is nuanced?

It's called strict constructionism. They all know that tagline well.

[Ioo]

7. That is not, the quote is a wee nerdy for the right wing

[dogday]

3. Feingold has pushed this to

the limit without much support.. Perhaps now, he will get more from the Democrats.....

[EST]

5. It is amazing how the entire media mess and half the

blogosphere can't seem to get the point. It ain't the wiretapping, dammit, it's the illegal wiretapping!

[mmonk]

6. "Framing" is where the dems have been losing

for a long time. Dems need to acquire the art fast. Studies have shown that once the brain accepts a certain frame, even if it's incorrect, it will reject facts when someone is shown something contrary to that framing. This explains the almost cult like following the GOP has on its supporters despite things that provoke questions and opposition in others outside that framing of the mind.

[Ioo]

13. I have said that for years - WE SUCK AT FRAMING ANYTHING...

[emanymton]

8. Law Is The Issue. Government Willingly Disobeyed Law ...

Bring up the 'warrant less' issue. The issue is the law and the requirement that the government follow the law.

Stay focused on the issue of the law. Do not argue America hating GOP talking-points on 'their' terms. Use the issue of government knowingly and willingly disobeying the law.

This is the way to frame the issue and win.

[mmonk]

9. Getting people to accept facts once they have

been a victim of "framing" is in itself, an issue of reframing them back to the real issue at hand.

[Joe Fields]

10. Exactly.! The president took an oath to uphold and defend the

Constitution of the United States. And not how he conveniently interprets it. He has broken the law, and the judge ruled that that was the case. And if the dems take control of both houses of congress in November, investigations should begin immediately, followed by a fair and swift hanging.

[mmonk]

11. Technically, it shouldn't require

a change in the makeup of congress. Congressional and judicial oversight is part of our system of government. If it isn't being done or working, then the current government is breaking the system. Unfortunately, to fix the government will require a dem majority and it must be a majority willing to do it.

[Ioo]

12. Well said - My Point is NO TOOL IS GONE...

Just a requierment to use the tool correctly