anyone care to help me trash this digusting freeper hate email?

[mitchtv]

I am ashamed to say it came from one of my sisters.

Interesting questions for the Muslim Community to discuss.

Can a good Muslim be a good American? Wonder why we haven't heard a word of
support? Not a peep?

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon God of
Arabia.


Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except
Islam (Qu ran, 2:256)


Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam
and the Qu ran (Koran).
Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns
in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends
with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders),
who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat
and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Qu ran 4:34).

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution
since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be
corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Qu ran do not allow
freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist.
Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the
Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly
father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.


Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very
suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good"
Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish....it's still the truth.

You had better believe it.

If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements,
perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this,
the better it will be for our country and our future.



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[Avalux]

1. Um......we are NOT a Christian nation.

There's just so much wrong with that email, I don't know where to start. Geez.

[bonzotex]

23. Oh jeebus...here you go...

Interesting questions for the Right Wing Fundamentalist Christian American community to discuss.

Can a Right Wing Fundamentalist Christian be a good American? Wonder why we haven't heard a word of rationality from them in years? …Not a peep?

Theologically - no. A literalistic interpretation of the Bible blinds them to objective reality and even to the glory of God’s creation. It doesn't prepare one well to function in a pluralistic secular society.

Religiously - no. Because a biblical fundamentalist view of the world dismisses the beliefs majority of the world’s population and like it or not America is not the whole world.

Scripturally - no. Because out of hundreds of Christian sects in America alone none of them can agree enough on the meaning of the Bible to have a unified view on scriptural “truth”.

Geographically - no. Because no matter where the a Right Wing Fundamentalist Christian resides they bring their narrow point of view, Xenophobia and denial of reality with them.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to a spiteful patriarchal cloud being prevents him from understanding or interacting meaningfully with anyone that doesn’t share his beliefs

Politically - no. Because the United States is secular nation -- not a Christian theocracy.

Domestically - no. Because the Bible teaches that women are property, inferior to men and can be killed for very minor transgressions of Christian taboos.

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution
is a secular document that does not mention god or Christianity even a single time and the founding fathers surviving writings make it very clear they intended a definite separation of Church and State.

Philosophically - no. Because Right Wing Fundamentalist Christians believe their world view superior to all others and anyone that doesn’t share their beliefs will literally be sent to hell to be tortured for all eternity.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," we are repeating a phrase added to the Pledge of Allegiance in the 1950s as a political slap at alleged “godless” Communists.

Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very
suspicious of ALL Right Wing Fundamentalist Christians in this country. They obviously cannot be good Americans and they send the stupidest email chains that have ever jammed an Inbox.

If you believe anything you read in a Right Wing Fundamentalist Christians political e-mail I hope the Nigerians haven’t already convinced you to give them your bank account number.

[Arger68]

28. Excellent post - thank you.

I had those same thoughts - almost verbatim.

[TexasLawyer]

32. Bonzo--

Awesome!!!!

[Jack_Dawson]

2. Well...

I think if we heard more high-profile Muslims speaking out against the radical extremists...this bigotry wouldn't exist.

[bonzotex]

25. It might help but wouldn't eliminate the core bigotry...

Remember we have lots of high profile outspoken Blacks in Business, Politics, the Military, Religion etc, and we still have racist bigotry. Same for Jews, same for gays, same for pick-your-minority. It helps when sane community leaders speak out, but there will always be a subset of our Nation's population that just won't get it.

[babylonsister]

3. Who are they to determine the description of a good American?

By their bigotry, they are not.

[MadMaddie]

4. First question to ask her did she really read the Quoran or did

she forward the text from some site or another person....

Tell her you will not take her seriously until she does her own research by her own sweat...

Tell her this also.....

Can we trust White Chritian men like Timothy McVeigh, Eric Clebold and Dillon Harris? Because all of the items she listed fit these individuals too...

And tell her to read the Old Testement in the bible there are plenty of things there that (supposedly) no Christians support....

Good Luck.....

[mitchtv]

6. add to that list

James Dobson, Geo Bush,Jerry Falwell,Pat Robertson, Pope Benedict

[MadMaddie]

8. Yup...and I am sure we can add more to this list...

[liberalhistorian]

5. Oh, Jesus H. Christ in a canoe,

I cannot believe what I'm reading. What a hateful, racist piece of garbage. Substitute the word "Jew" for Muslim and we'd be right back in 1930's Germany. Do these people even realize what they sound like?

And we were founded for ALL religions, how many fucking times do we have to repeat that? The founders made that CRYSTAL clear, even the religious ones. The same things said about Muslims in this email could be said about Christians, since they only obey the one true God, they don't accept pop culture, etc., etc.

[KamaAina]

7. "The moon god of Arabia"?!

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt! Allah is simply the Arabic word for God. Arabic-speaking Christians, who by the way comprise 40% of Lebanon's population, say Allah. So do the few remaining Arabic-speaking Jews.

Thanks for playing, though, Mr. Freeper Moran, and I hope you enjoy your copy of the home game.

[Cleita]

9. Well, one point is that Allah is the same God of Abraham,

who is also the God of the Jews and the Christians so that kind of blows a lot of those other arguments.

[ChazII]

10. Two e-mails

are circulating in the net and both are equally stupid. I received the one that you did, as well as one claiming that Christians cannot be good Americans. It followed the same format.

[mitchtv]

11. a good response

To debunk would would take too much energy.

[FUGW]

12. This hate E-mail is trash let it speak for itself.

[theanarch]

13. how about:

Can a good christian be a good American?

Theologically, no, because his allegience is to jesus, the son of god.
Religiously, no, because no other religion is accepted by his jesus except christianity.
Scripturally, no, because his allegience is to the ten commandments and the Old/New Testiment.
Geographically, no, because his allegience is to the kingdom of heaven, to which he prays at least
once a week, if not more.
Socially, no, because his allegience to Christianity forbids him to have non-christian friends.
Politically, no, because he must submit to the priest who teach the anniliation of the world through
Armageddon.
Domestically, no, because he must marry a woman to whom he is lord and master, and who must submit
to him in all things.
Intellectually, no, because he cannot accept the US Constitution which is based on secular-humanism,
which he believes is satanic and corrupt.
Philosophically, no, because Christianity, Jesus and the Bible do not allow freedom of religion and
expression. Christianity and Democracy cannot co-exist. Every Christian government is either
dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually, no, because the Christian god is vengeful, punishing, and unforgiving.

If anyone can annotate these with the appropriate citation of chapter and verse, please do so.

[mitchtv]

14. wow, kinda what I was looking for.,

next question "reply" or "reply all"?

[Kingshakabobo]

18. ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt

[Tyo]

15. "You had better believe it."

For me that says it all right there. I'm pretty sure that no one in the intended audience for this crap will have inclination to actually research these assertions. And by the way, aren't many of these good Fundamentalist Christian Americans, these "real" Americans, the same people who want to replace the Constitution with their interpretation of the Bible?

And by the way, mitchtv, nothing to be ashamed of. One of the main reasons for having families is to keep us on our toes.

[mitchtv]

17. welcome on your first post Tyo

It's kind of a first for me, too see you around:hippie:

[EFerrari]

21. Welcome to DU, Tyo.

:hi:

[Tyo]

26. Thanks, guys. Glad to be here n/t

[newyawker99]

29. Hi Tyo!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Hatalles]

16. Send her this article

http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/confronting_the_monolith_the_struggle_against_islamophobia_and_osamaism/0010188

[mitchtv]

19. Ha too many big words for a GOP'r

thanks

[Warren DeMontague]

20. There are at least FOUR recently archived threads on this email already.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1575351

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1787125

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1818066

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1448095


Betcha there's some good ideas in there, too. :hi:

[blm]

30. THANKS!!! That's exactly what I needed.

And I can't believe how much even I miss around here.

[mitchum]

22. Obviously, your sister got dropped on her head as an infant...

more than once

[EFerrari]

24. What kind of Christian viewpoint could let you even think in these

terms? This isn't Christianity, this is the most base form of nationalism.

Nationalism always has to put on a religious drag, because it is ugly, stupid and irrational.

Edit: I get that this isn't yours, mitchtv

[opiate69]

27. But, but, but......

"Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the
Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly
father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names."

And here I've always been told by the theocrats here that the "God" referenced in that phrase is rather generic.. hence no reason for godless heathens like myself to try to get it out of the pledge and off the money... fucking jackasses want to have it both ways....

[TexasLawyer]

31. "Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist"

Yeah, OK-- accepting that premise for the sake of argument, let's get out of that hell hole right now! Why is America there trying to do the impossible?