John Karr: "I loved JonBenet. She died accidentally"

[kurth]

Suspect Calls Ramsey Slaying an 'Accident'
Man, 41, Arrested in Thailand
By Fred Barbash, T.R. Reid and Spencer S. Hsu
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, August 17, 2006; 9:22 AM

An American man arrested in Bangkok in connection with the 1996 death of JonBenet Ramsey told reporters this morning that he was with the 6-year old when she died but that her death was "an accident."

"I loved JonBenet. She died accidentally," John Mark Karr, 41, told a scrum of reporters as he was led away by Thai law enforcement authorities in Bangkok. Asked if he was innocent, he replied "no." He offered only "no comment" when asked for further details.

Thai police chief Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul said Karr told investigators he committed "second-degree murder. . . . He said it was unintentional. He said he was in love with the child. She was a pageant queen."...

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[soothsayer]

2. I still feel like he might be a nutty confessor---not the actual perp.

Still, seems like a sick dude either way.

[hippiechick]

18. I have to agree ...

n/t

[triguy46]

28. Wife says he was with her in Alabama...

since they are divorced after his child porn conviciton in 2001, it raises all kinds of weird options, of which two are: 1. He's making it up; 2) she was in on it.
Rocky mountain news claims he had done extensive research and writing on the subject. Then, and I know this is a stretch, but the cops have said that the 'withheld information' on this case was very, very slight. Could it be that kerr, in persistant obsession of the subject, stumbled on enough to be able to make a reasonable confession?

No doubt the guy is a sicko.

[LostinVA]

35. There's all kinds of info on the case out there

On blogs, message boards... all kinds of stuff leaked by all parties in the case. Heck, a DUer yesterday said a friend was "deep inside" the investigation, and knew all kinds of stuff about the autopsy reports. Alot of people talk.

The ex-wife's alibi is very, very interesting. It was Christmas Eve, for Cripe's sake -- if there's evidence saying he is innocent of this specific crime, it'll come to light very quickly... which also begs the question: did the cops even TALK to the ex wife?

I really, really want someone to be convicted of this crime (and for all the crimes against ALL children out there), but I don't want the wrong person to be convicted, regardless of his skeeviness.

[Individualist]

40. Ditto

No specifics, but something about this whole situation just doesn't pass the smell test. I have the sense that this is some sicko who wants attention.

[Bjornsdotter]

39. Yeah

I'm not sure about this nutcase. I guess we'll see if the DNA matches.

Cheers

[arwalden]

51. No Doubt He Was Paid By KKKarl Rove... To Distract Us From Something BIG!!

I wonder what it could be that the MSM (in cooperations with the GOP) is hiding from us.

:rofl:

[ComerPerro]

64. LOL

[Crabby Appleton]

56. me too. nt

[JacquesMolay]

62. yeah, looks like ....

... he got sick of living on the run in his shabby apartment in Thailand. Probably has driven him crazy, and he wanted some relase from it - he's thinking, "at least i'm going to be famous this way". Looks like he's going to have some alibis he didn't actually want.

Crazy world, crazy guy.

[Bill McBlueState]

6. that's a little weird

that you seem to be so excited at the prospect of someone being raped continually.

[LeftyMom]

7. Rape is not a just punishment for anybody.

We are a bit more civilized than that. Nobody, no matter how vile, deserves rape.

[atreides1]

10. How about that thing

Called DUE PROCESS!!!! You know the concept that someone is innocent until proven guilty, the whole thing about looking at the evidence and making sure that you have the right person?

Or does the rule of law only apply to certain individuals?

[napi21]

23. Innocent until proven guilty is a LEGAL TERM for use in the courts.

Ask any lawyer! When you hear an admission of guilt by someone, the "innocent until proven guilty" applies to provable evidence in a court of law through due process.

Seems like way too many people jump on that phrase and apply it to general opinion as well.

[walkon]

11. Serious doubts about this confession.

But you can jump to any conclusions you like. Either way this man is ill.

[MannyGoldstein]

12. Um...

1. Are you certain he's guilty?
2. "If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." - Dalai Lama

[democrat in Tallahassee]

14. He picked her up from school? thought she was taken during the

night?

[Jed Dilligan]

24. I think it's really neat

That the craven cowards who staff and support this country's criminal justice system are too spineless to actually inflict the punishment they want to inflict on people, and instead leave it up to OTHER PRISONERS to carry it out.

If you want criminals raped, at least have the decency to write it into the law books and let the rest of the world judge you for it (cf. Saddam Hussein.)

[Catherine Vincent]

52. That's just sick what you just said.

:-(

[Jawja]

3. Excuse me, but she

did not die "accidentally."

She died as a direct result of his attempt to kidnap her.

[kestrel91316]

33. Well, actually she died because SOMEONE killed her. The US is full

of nuts who confess to crimes they weren't with 100 miles of. This guy sounds like and obsessed "fan" of the case who wants attention, or maybe wants free room and board (in jail) for the rest of his sorry life.

Sick person? Definitely. Murderer of JonBenet? I guess we will see what the DNA testing shows.

My money is on crazy false confessor.

[LostinVA]

49. The ex says he was in Alabama with her and her sons that Xmas Eve

Why would she be lying? especially when she divorced him as soon as she found out about the child porn charges, and won full custody of her kids to protect them. I would think what she claims would be easy enough to prove...

All the articles in the Denver Post about this guy are tres interesting.

[FearofFutility]

55. I agree.

Watching him parade before the cameras, I had the same impression.

[magellan]

4. He loved her so much he raped and accidentally killed her.

This sicko has been studying Republican excuse tactics.

[Odin2005]

5. I knew the killer would be some pedophile sicko.

It hit me that the child beauty peagents would be sicko magnets.

[sproutster]

8. I am SO PISSED AT THE MEDIA... CAN THEY NOT MAKE SHIT UP?

Last night msnbc was saying there was a DNA match - nada about it today. That's it I believe NOTHING from them anymore - it's ludacris now.

[atreides1]

17. From what I remember of the case

They did find DNA, but were unable to match it to anyone in their data base. Now that they have a suspect they can test it against Karr's DNA, but if it doesn't match, they're back to square one.

And what evidence do the authorities have that he was even in Boulder at the time, considering that his ex-wife has stated that they were living in Alabama at the time of the murder.

Also, the only connection that they can make is that Karr lived near the Ramsey's when they lived in Georgia, but then again I'm sure that the same can be said about everyone in Conyers at the time.

[Truthiness Inspector]

27. It could be more than one person too

If the DNA doesn't match it doesn't mean Karr had no involvement.

[Phx_Dem]

36. the investigators found unknown DNA

on Jon-Benet's underwear. I presume they are going to see if it's a "match" with the suspect.

[rsmith6621]

9. The Parents are Involved.....

Wait till he gets back on US soil....he' is going to implicate them.....JUST WAIT:nuke:

[LoZoccolo]

15. Why would you say that?

Haven't they suffered enough from baseless accusations? That would suck, living the last nine and a half years of your life under this cloud of suspicion like the mother did.

[hippiechick]

20. Why was he in their house on Christmas ?

:shrug: Why would they let someone that creepy close to their 'beauty pageant' princess? :shrug:

[LoZoccolo]

53. I'm not sure they knew he was, did they?

They've said they don't know the guy.

I'm really through with making snap judgements myself

[Sequoia]

57. I think there is a connection too.

But why does JBR's father say he doesn't know him. I'm ready to believe this sick-o did it but want to see that DNA result. What else is strange is that this guy's wife said he was interested in the Ramesy and Klass case and then they move to Petaluma where Polly lived. Why?

[LostinVA]

59. The ex also says he was in Alabama during Christmas that year

[Sequoia]

60. Something sure isn't lining up.

Until we get DNA results...he's messed up anyway.

[LostinVA]

66. Yup and yup

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

13. Let me just say "I was wrong"

I was firmly in the "the parents did it" camp. I was wrong and I'm sorry.

[LostinVA]

32. I'm waiting for a DNA match before I declare that

If it happens, then I will gladly admit it.

There's too many screwy things to do with this case for me to just trust press narratives anymore.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

42. True enough.

But it matters little what I do or say in the grand scheme of things, so I don't mind. :-)

[LostinVA]

46. True! And, I mean me, too

[Missy M]

16. If this guy is really a 2nd grade teacher as reported....

it is very scary. Can you imagine this guy teaching children.

[fishwax]

61. I keep seeing that reported, but the actual details in the article seem to

indicate he was actually an occasional substitute teacher, at least from what I've read. "Former American school teacher" seems misleading, to me.

[northzax]

65. right, technically, I am a 'former American school teacher'

as well, despite the fact that I haven't been in a classroom in 6 years. and I'm a 'former' lots of things as well.

[yellowcanine]

19. I am withholding judgement. This may be a false confession to gain

his "15 minutes of fame" on John Karr's part.

on edit: Is there any evidence he was in Boulder Co. at the time of the murder? I am hearing that his ex-wife is saying he was in Alabama. Anyone have anything on that angle?

[peace13]

21. Let me ask...

why are we talking about this? It was a tragedy that we cannot change. We are no better for surmising who or why this happened. It only distracts us from the things that we can change and improve. Peace, Kim

[demnan]

22. ok correction, perhaps I'm being hasty

give him his due process and if he's guilty, lock this sick fuck away . . .

[ck4829]

25. He didn't accidentally kill her

He raped her and then thought the best way out would be by murdering her. When you kill someone after you rape them, there is no way it can be "unintentional".

[Cruzan]

26. I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!!!

I don't know how to quite put into words how exceedingly little all of this means to me. Certainly, it's a huge private tragedy for the Ramsey family, but the absolute media frenzy about this and every previous development, both real and purely media invented, is just nauseating, and I find it not at all any more important than the Michael Jackson trial or any other sensationalized tabloid/24-hour-cable-news story. I've never understood the obsessive, almost to the point of prurient, interest such a large segment of the population seems to have in such stories, but it's obviously there or the tabloids and cable shows wouldn't exist to feed it if only for the ratings.

[WinkyDink]

31. Thanks for advancing the discussion!

[Roon]

37. If this guy was to turn out to be just a kook looking for attention

the media would drop this story faster than they dropped the "jackson aquitted" story..LOL..wouldn't that be delicious?

[Fleshdancer]

29. guilty of this or not, he deserves to be in jail for this reason:

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4192717?source=rss

In truth, John Karr was being held while awaiting trial for five counts of child pornography, said Sgt. Rob Giordano, spokesman for the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department. When he finally was released on bond, he disappeared and was convicted in absentia.

[LostinVA]

43. That story just brings up all kinds of questions

He never lived in CVolorado... became fascinated with the case while writing a book about it... said in 2001 he was being held in connection with the case... just frigging WEIRD.

[Fleshdancer]

45. His own father thought he was dead all this time

He gets busted for 5 counts of kiddie porn and then just dissapears. If there's anything DUers can probably all agree with is that this guy has major mental health problems. I feel sorry for his three sons.

[LostinVA]

48. No, I agree: he's messed up

The Child porn charges, the fascination with JonBenet and Polly Klass, lying about being held for her murder.

I feel sorry for his ex, too -- she divorced a bad apple when she discovered he was bad, moved on with her life for several years,, then this. AND having people in the media and on discussion boards saying she was involved in the murder too, or is lying about being in Alabama, etc. *sigh* This case has screwed up so many lives over the last decade.

[BlooInBloo]

30. How many crimes did he commit while the cops...

... were looking at nobody but the parents?

[Marie26]

34. So sickening. nt

[mtnsnake]

38. The media is just as warped as John Karr for their sensationalist slants

on all the wrong things.

[paparush]

41. That's like Bush saying- I started a war, but I never meant to hurt anyone

[LostinVA]

44. Interesting article at the Denver Post

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4190797



IF everything in this article is true, there's no way he did it. Just a weird, weird thing... I don't know what to think about this.

[Fleshdancer]

47. Hopefully the DNA will resolve this very soon

Innocent or guilty, the man needs serious help. This is just so damn creepy.

[LostinVA]

50. I know -- him NOT doing it is creepier than if he DID do it

If you get what I mean.

[Beausoir]

58. Very interesting article. Things are not adding up here.

[Catchawave]

54. This has to be the worse MSM reporting EVAH !

Just my opinion...but all the MSM breakings,developings, ad nauseums today are convincing me this guy Karr is just a whackjob :shrug:

Otherwise, are the Democrats moving up on the polls or sumthin'? :evilgrin:

[ShaneGR]

63. Drugged, Raped, Strangled.....

It was an accident!