BREAKING: Man admits killing JonBenetRamsey

[Bluebear]

BANGKOK, Thailand - An American suspect arrested in Bangkok has admitted to killing 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey, the head of Thailand immigration police said Thursday, a surprise breakthrough in a lurid, decade-old murder mystery that had cast a cloud of suspicion over her parents.

John Mark Karr, 41, admitted to the killing after he was arrested at his downtown Bangkok apartment Wednesday night, Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul told The Associated Press.

Suwat said Karr arrived in Bangkok on June 6 from Malaysia to look for a teaching job. It was not clear whether he got a teaching position, the police officer said.

Karr's visa has been revoked as an "undesirable person" given the accusations against him, and U.S. authorities were expected to take him to the United States in the next few days, Suwat said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_as/thailand_jonbenet_ramsey

Thai Immigration police officer displays a Xeroxed copy showing John Mark Karr, a suspect in the killing of JonBenet Ramsey, at the Immigration police headquarters, in Bangkok on Thursday August 17, 2006.

[lonestarnot]

1. You sick bastard!

Bluebear you break with this news, this ain't no stink'n nooooze. DU where is the messenger fly spray. Bluebear I'll count to three. :evilgrin:

[Kiouni]

2. wow

im glad he was caught but i did not see it coming

[Placebo]

3. who cares about this stupid case anymore?

it's just another MSM distraction from the REAL news!

[Bluebear]

5. I do.

I care that a girl was murdered and her parents were convicted in the press for ten years, but maybe that's just me.

I also can chew gum and walk at the same time!

[Duppers]

16. I do too, bear.

Much more trivial (??) things than this have been posted as news here. I glad this sick bastard has been caught.

IF any one person here had a daughter killed, they'd feel the same way! We can keep our eyes on the big picture and feel relief that some justice is being done at the same time. What's the matter with all the insensitive people here? And what's up with all the damn snarky posts?

[ninkasi]

21. I'm with you, Bluebear

I have a daughter, 3 granddaughters, 1 great-granddaughter, and 2 nieces. When violence takes the life of an innocent child, I would like to know about the child's killer being brought to justice. I can walk, talk, chew gum, and cook dinner at the same time. The confession of her killer does not distract me from the political situation, but one of my first thoughts was that her mother died before her name was cleared.

I know that there are many other murdered children, and others who simply vanish. I can only comment on the ones who are brought to the public's attention. I mourn them all, and all of the children who have been killed in brutal, senseless wars. I do not consider one death more, or less important than the others.

[bookman]

22. There is an important lesson here

Trial by media and the speculation of talking heads. We should learn from this.

[Placebo]

30. it's NOBODY'S BUSINESS...

why is this national news?

[Bluebear]

31. I can't answer you. You have an odd sense of what news is. nt

[Placebo]

33. it's 10 years old...

people really need to learn how to move on, especially from pointless legal stories

[Bluebear]

35. So, should we toss out the confession? It's a 10 year old story after all!

:crazy:

[Placebo]

36. Those are well suited for your comment there...

you've officially gone off the deep end. Where did I ever say that he shouldn't be convicted?

[Bluebear]

37. *I'VE* gone off the deep end? hehehehehe

[Posteritatis]

32. lies! people can only think of one thing at a time!

;)

Nice catch on the press conviction note, there. While I frankly am not terribly interested in the whole thing (beyond a basic human "jesus, that's awful" reaction), you raise a good point by pointing to that. The fact that that's been allowed and encouraged for this and numerous other crimes, up to and including any number of "suspected terrorists" today, is as significant a problem as anything else this story shows.

[wakeme2008]

47. I do for the same reasons Bluebear

:hi:

[SeveneightyWhoa]

18. Are you serious?

Your post seems almost satirical and deeply sarcastic. I hope you're not serious.

Perhaps Karl Rove planted this story as a "distraction from the REAL news"? Or hell, maybe he was Jon Benet's killer?

[et in Arcadia ego]

20. Jesus christ, man

You've got some fucking nerve saying that about a child who passed out of life in extreme horror and agony. Have you no fucking compassion?

:banghead:

[bluestateguy]

25. When they actually catch somebody that says he did it, that's newsworthy

It was the daily speculation when there was no news to report that was irritating.

[L A Woman]

55. anyone with children, I imagine

this is HUGE story. if you're too "high brow" for it, why open the thread?

[mike_c]

4. must not be any pretty blond women actually missing today....

eom

[The_Casual_Observer]

6. This is a bizarre case for sure.

[Roon]

57. VERY bizarre!

I found my book written by the leading detective, Steve Thomas, about the case. There were so many weird things going on, I am going to read the book again. Steve Thomas was convinced it was the parents btw.

[TomInTib]

7. So now, I can, after 10 years, sleep peacefully,, nt

[Lex]

8. Could he be confessing in order to get out of the Thai jail & to the US?

Why would his ex-wife say that he was with her all during the Christmas holidays that year, in Alabama (where they lived)?

Is there a positive match on the DNA?

So many questions.

[JI7]

11. that was my first thought

i'm one of those who really wants the truth . largely because of the assumption of guilt in public the parents have held for years.

[marions ghost]

51. exactly

The media have made this an archetypal story, a tribal legend. They ground it into the psyches of everyone in the country. All JonBenet ALL the time. It was impossible to escape. It was like living in one of the more insane episodes of South Park. Because they couldn't solve the case, the police promoted the idea that the parents were guilty, and so many people automatically believed that. The parents have lived under that cloud for 10 years. Not hard to imagine the horror of that.

Yes, they raised their daughter in a way that offends many of us. But LOOK at how girls are taught to be obsessed with appearance in this culture. LOOK at the peekaboo fashions of today. And then go beyond debates about physical display--take a LOOK at how obsessed many parents are with their children in general, suffocating them and constantly helicoptering. There are many fetishized children in America today, in ways that don't involve playing dress-up. Our culture created JonBenet and we need to own that. And then of course we want the truth about her death. We want to lay her to rest...finally.

The sensationalizing of this case was despicable. The real story that this obscures, is that it is only one among many involving violence against children that go unnoticed everyday. But JonBenet was made the receptacle for all our fears about that. She was victimized continually after her physical death.

The battering we received at the hands of the media was IMO, a crime against the rest of us.

[Richard Steele]

34. Well, there better be more evidence than just...

...a confession obtained at the hands of the Thai police.

DNA should make or break this one, and I'm going
to reserve comment until those tests come back.
After ten years of the bullshit the MSM spread
about this case, I'm just not taking anyone's
word for anything without solid PROOF.

[JI7]

9. if this is true , can't imagine what the family went through

i wonder how much this whole thing affected Patsy Ramsey and her strength in fighting cancer.

even if he admitted it i know we still can't say much until we hear more.

but the thought of it is just horrible. the family never really got a chance to grieve for their child in peace.

[amitten]

10. Yeah, I guess DU doesn't care about murdered children.

Unless they're in Iraq.

Sorry, but it's true.

I'm glad this poor girl's killer will finally come to justice. Nothing is lower than someone who rapes and kills kids. Old news? Who give s fuck? It's news to me when a child killer gets caught.

[Bluebear]

12. Well, hell yes.

Especially if the "umbrella of suspicion" over the parents was incorrect, in which case the DA in Boulder should enjoy ten years of hell themselves.

[OzarkDem]

54. I think you're wrong

Most people want to reserve judgement until more information is available. There's already been so much distortion, bad investigating and media manipulation in this tragic case, why continue to compound it?

Myself, I've never been able to make up my mind about this case. Reserving judgement is a fair and sensible approach.

[amitten]

59. Yeah, but on previous posts, DUer's aren't reserving judgement.

They're just saying they don't give a crap one way or another because it's such an old case. That's a really shitty attitude, in my opinion. A dead kid is a dead kid.

[Algorem]

13. isn't that the apartment Neil Bush stays in when he's in Bangkok?

I say it is,pass it on.

[breakaleg]

14. I'm a little suspect of a confession gotten from Thailand police

assuming that's where this came from.

It would be great for the family to have closure on her death.

[greyl]

19. I thought the same thing, ahem. nt

[bluestateguy]

15. However much I may be irritated with the media coverage of this story

or the messed up parents, the fact remains that a little girl was kidnapped and murdered here. Never mind that she was white, rich, etc. If he pleads guilty he should go to jail for life. If not, and he's convicted, then he should be executed.

[Bluebear]

17. CNN live press conference on now from Thailand

[blitzen]

23. this Thai general is kind of a blabbermouth...

kind of refreshing...not to mention that he keeps cracking jokes


He's telling what the suspect told his officers: 2nd degree (he didn't mean to kill her); he loved her, etc....Sounds like BS, but it's a lot more interesting than the standard "no comment" that we're used to

[Bluebear]

24. His manner is jovial...

He probably is laughing nervously or inscrutibly but if I didn't know the subject I would think he is introducting a new species or orchid or something.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

27. He's a blithering clown.

[Bluebear]

28. He is not the actor you are.

:hi:

[A-Schwarzenegger]

29. I think he thought he won the lottery.

Yes, I could take lessons in blithering clowndom from the "General."

[sweetheart]

26. Was the killer of Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman ever...

brought to justice?

Was the perpetrator of a criminal war based on deliberate deception of the
public an subversion of the constitution ever brought to justice?

I'm glad geanbenet's case is getting to justice, but really, the
whole justice thing is a laughing stock given the war crimes and the
drugs-war crimes, and the theft, the torture, and the sanctioning
of mass murder as politically acceptable events for which the
perpetrators are no held accountable.

Jean bene'ts killer is a saint next to bush, maybe bush can hire him for
advise on how to only kill 1 person sickly... maybe bush'll take some career
advise from the man and join him on the gallows.

[REP]

38. This Is a Post. This is A Post on Drugs.

A man who confesses to raping and murdering a child "a saint"? No matter what someone else does, he's no saint. Compare him to Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot, and he's still not a good man.

[Bluebear]

39. Thank you.

I couldn't quite find the words.

[REP]

40. Some People Want To Make Everything About Their Politics

Either that, or that PSA about "your brain on drugs" was right...

I just can't wrap my mind around a rapist/murderer somehow being "saintly" because someone else has done something worse.

[sweetheart]

50. Moral equivalency in injustice

We all agree that the crime is despicable,
and if we have any proportionality under law,
then all persons who murder will see justice,
but instead, look over there, a bloody glove.

[skids]

41. What I want to know...

...is why did we needed another thread on this story. It's already in LBN and there are plenty of GD threads already.

Which is rubbernecking a horrible tragedy by the ghoulish morbidly fascinated CSI-watching great American couch potato if you ask me.

And no, I don't think bashing on the media or police for ruining the Ramseys' life is a worthy story either -- because the media and police do far worse things far more worthy of our attention. Bashing on this minimizes their far greater crimes by omission.

So I reiterate: Don't. Care. None. Of. My. Business.

Now, if some dumbass R somehow manages to put his foot in his mouth hard enough over it during election season, then I will try to see past the disturbingly crass act of making political hey out of someone else's trouble and concentrate on the greater good of things. But until then, and I won't hold my breath for a Shiavo moment cause I don't think it's coming, I'd encourage everyone to but out and get on with their own lives/struggles.

[cynatnite]

42. The 'hide thread' function works well

It's always funny when I read posts bitching about other posts. :rofl:

[Bluebear]

44. Only they can discern what is threadworthy.

Apparently. I pay my rent here too.

[skids]

45. Maybe I complain because...

...I want the complaint heard. Ya think? Sorry to pet your conflict-avoidant fur backwards.

[cynatnite]

46. Didn't mean to offend your tender sensibilities n/t

[Bluebear]

52. :)

[Bluebear]

43. Because someone confessed to it, so pardon the hell out of me.

People do enjoy complaining in these parts.

[blitzen]

48. the guy's ex-wife says she was with him in Alabama at time of killing

sounds like he's a delusional kook, but probably not the killer


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14379566/

[A-Schwarzenegger]

49. Hmmm.

"The attorney said the Ramseys gave police information about Karr before he was identified as a suspect. Wood would not say how the Ramseys knew Karr."

In his interview with Barbara Walters on Nightline tonight, John Ramsey said he had "never heard" of Karr before.

[ecstatic]

53. He's partly responsible for Patsy Ramsey's death too, IMO

Jon Benet's mother died in a cloud of guilt and shame--knowing she was innocent, probably wondering if her husband might have been involved, and never knowing the truth about what happened to her daughter. I can't even begin to imagine what the past 10 years must have been like for her. This is such a tragedy! The parents did make mistakes but think about all the shows we watch everyday that feature young children. We don't criticize those parents, so why criticize the Ramseys?

[QuettaKid]

56. "Patsy" ramsey. what an apropos name ! ! !

[kskiska]

58. Karr seems to be reveling in all the attention

much like Son of Sam did. I hope they nail him, but so many times guys like him sign false confessions, then later claim innocence.