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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 10:57 PM
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Poll question: If you had a family member murdered and there was not a quick arrest
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:04 PM
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1. I'd expect them to look
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:11 PM
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2. Been there on this one X wife and her boyfriend killed my 20 mnt old son
They got him right away. But her it took one good cop who never gave up a year and a half to get her. End of story both still locked up
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:12 PM
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3. omg i'm so sorry!!!
i'm a parent and i can;t even imagine, again i'm so sorry.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 03:34 PM
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16. My god, I am so sorry
:hug: :hug: :hug:
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 11:03 PM
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22. That's horrendous!
I am glad they found them and brought them to justice.

I am so sorry to hear about your son. Parents are not supposed to bury their children. :hug:
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 11:03 PM
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23. So sorry for this baby to be taken away from you.
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 11:07 PM
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24. Oh my goodness.
I am sooooo sorry to hear that.

I can't imagine anything worse. I hope you didn't lose your spirit and have peace and joy in your life, despite such a tragedy. I don't know what else to say.

:hug:
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:18 PM
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4. I would expect law enforcement to look...
...and I have other methods of investigation at my disposal...
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:40 PM
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5. When my 29 year old brother's wife murdered him in her rural Tennessee
hometown, she was tried for murder. Her relatives found her not-guilty.
My 3 siblings lied to my mom and learned to live with it ourselves.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:53 PM
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6. I'd scrape up the money to hire a private detective...
...such as a retired police detective. From the same area, if possible.

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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:02 AM
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7. Been there, done that
My X was murdered. I don't even know how to talk about it. Our split was amiecable I would have done anything for her. We had been together for over 18 years. I don't think you ever get over something like that. I loved her dearly, we just couldn't live together anynore. It made the national news. This is NOT where you want to find out that your X was murdered.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:10 AM
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8. as i'm not filthy rich i realize they would not look
i'm glad the ramseys got closure but, you know, this option wouldn't happen for people of my class, so you know, fuck 'em

patsey apparently DID know before she died, apparently they had told law enforcement years ago their pervert friend might be a problem, and it said in the news article i read that before she died that they were in the planning stages of arresting the fuck and told her so to give her final comfort -- it was complicated because he had moved to thailand but she knew it was coming

none of these options would be available to any of us posting here so as far as i'm concerned, who really cares

i'm tired of caring about rich fucks, they don't care when one of ours is killed, now do they, they don't even hear about it
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:11 AM
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9. My brother inlaw was murdered
Edited on Thu Aug-17-06 12:17 AM by FreeState
My brother inlaw was murdered and they never found anything. This happened 10 years ago. It was in a national park, and they hid the crime from the public so that people would still go camping there. My family had to fight just to get them to change the police report to say homicide rather than suicide (they found his car on fire with him in it - very common burn crime scenes in the east coast I have heard).

EDIT: moral of the story - if you are not a white young girl and there is no media attention they will stop looking for the killer sooner than later.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:12 AM
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10. I would not be very objective, but I do have an awareness that
I am not the only person on the planet nor the only one whose needs count. Law enforcement exists for the society, they have to spend their time as they can; hopefully as productively as possible. If they had no leads and the case went cold, I would think they would still monitor it and leave it open (which they do) and act on any promising tip, but would not expect them to leave other investigations and emergencies untended while they worked on a case they could not do much for at that moment while letting other cases they could do something on go untended to.

There are going to be some cases that can't be solved. Some that can be solved if the detectives happen to have more time to solve it, but depending on what happens in a given city, there may not be time to solve some really tough ones.

I had a client who said that in the country he lived in, they never investigate deaths at all, even murders. If a person dies, they die. He was amazed about how big a deal it is here when someone dies. So maybe we should be a little more grateful in this country.
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:18 AM
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11. so if we murder people creativly
We won't get charged?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 03:30 PM
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14. Huh?
There are some cases that may not be solvable. That is unpleasant, but reality.

It is a matter of resource allocation, too. We have to work on the cases that can be solved. So if we let uncreative murderers go in order to find the creative ones, that's going to be a good thing?

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Kiouni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:56 AM
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12. but isn't this why so many have to hire
private detectives?
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:58 AM
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13. I'm :Latino
I don't expect Law Enforcement to do anything...well, except accuse me of it.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 03:32 PM
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15. I would't expect law enforcement to waste more than two weeks on it
before going on and saying "well, sorry, can't find the guy. We have other things to take care of".


I'm not saying this should be the way it is.

But that is the way it is.

I honestly don't expect law enforcement to do a god damned thing to help me.

I'm not rich enough.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 03:43 PM
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17. I don't know that it always happens that way....
I used to babysit for a fairly wealthy kid and his siblings. I used to marvel at the vast acreage of their house as compared to mine. He was killed at about age 20, possibly over some drug money. It was so sad. The parents could do nothing, never got the killer. Father went slowly downhill with the agony of it all. Now batshit crazy.

I know of another case where the victim was not rich, but well-respected in the community. Possibly a hate crime. Case never solved.

A lot of murders go unsolved.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 03:54 PM
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18. I'm not saying murders go unsolved.
I just said that if someone killed me or a family memeber of mine, and the killer wasn't found right away, I don't even think you'd hear about it on LOCAL news even once
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 04:33 PM
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20. I know that there is unequal justice
Edited on Thu Aug-17-06 04:36 PM by marions ghost
I have been a victim of that myself when I couldn't go dollar for dollar against a much wealthier opponent. Don't worry I know about how that works. And it is seriously undermining the justice system in this country. The civil courts are a total disaster IMO.

However my case would not have gone to criminal court. In a murder case there is more chance that an investigation and (hopefully) a trial will take place regardless. However the system is overwhelmed. That's even more of a worry to me. Your case might not get the traction you'd like if there are a lot of other similar cases out there. And lack of publicity doesn't always mean there is not a serious investigation going on.

No Way am I taking up for the justice system. Needs a complete overhaul. But I question that the problem is only discrimination between cases based on income or prominence. I think it goes deeper than that in an era of dwindling resources. Also conditions vary so much from place to place. You could probably find just as many people who say they got 'justice' as those who say they didn't.

The scary thing is that it's very uneven in general, and we have to rely on the courts so much because there is little protection of the consumer, little in the way of victim's advocates, little safety net for taking care of even ordinary grievances short of litigation. That's the fault of a Republican way of viewing things IMO.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 04:03 PM
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19. It could be because the perp was a police officer
There was this one cop in my area who killed several people before he was charged with anything.
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 11:00 PM
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21. sorry to say this but that is why I own guns
I never thought I needed a gun before Bush 43. I don't think I can live without several now. I have accepted the "your on your own Doctrine" of the current admin and I am prepared to do that. I expect, in a major disaster, like an earthquake, that we will be "on our own". As such, it will be up to me to prevent looters, robbers and government officials from entering my home. I hope 50cal slugs will do that. If not, I will die, but I was pretty sure that was going to happen anyway.
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 11:14 PM
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25. I don't blame you. n/t
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