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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:51 PM
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Bees on a Plane Are A Real-Life Problem Vexing Some Pilots
Bees on a Plane Are A Real-Life Problem Vexing Some Pilots

The Wall Street Journal

They Like Yellow and Jet Fuel And Are Riled by Black; Big Buzz in the Southwest
By NICK TIMIRAOS
August 16, 2006; Page A1

As pilot Brian Murphy prepared for a quick flight from Burbank's Bob Hope Airport to San Francisco in May, his ground crew alerted him to a problem on his Beechcraft King Air 200: A five-foot-wide blanket of bees was draped over the plane's left engine cover. And many bees were finding their way into an engine compartment and even into the cockpit. "I was just shocked," says the 36-year-old charter pilot, who raced to shut the cockpit's open vent windows. "Within just 20 minutes there were thousands of bees that had moved onto the exhaust area." He considered turning on the engines to shoo away the swarm but decided that that might make matters worse by agitating the bees.

The bewildered crew didn't know what to do, either, but the Burbank Airport Fire Department knew the drill. "I could hear them yell down into their fire shack, 'It's time to go spray the bees again,' " recalls Steven Schell, the general manager for Mercury Air Center-Burbank. Firefighters hosed off the King Air 200 with an insecticide foam that suffocates bees. "They were dropping straight to the ground, whole big chunks of them," Mr. Murphy remembers. The bees inside the engine cover, meanwhile, came crawling out through the inner lip once the foam hit the plane. "Once they started spraying, those bees weren't ever able to fly," he says. Then the pilots vacuumed up three dozen bees that had entered the cockpit.

"Snakes on a Plane" may be the hot horror movie of the summer, but bees on planes are creating the most buzz in some aviation circles. Africanized honey bees -- the infamous "killer bees" -- are increasingly making unscheduled layovers at airports across the Southwest. The aggressive bees, which entered the U.S. from Mexico in the early 1990s, like to travel across open spaces and stop to rest whenever the queen gets tired. Airports have few trees or other natural rest stops. That makes planes, jetways, baggage-loading equipment, terminals and parking garages popular for stopovers.

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That is creating scenes like one that unfolded at Love Field in Dallas last April. Gordon Guillory, a 39-year-old Southwest Airlines mechanic, knew something wasn't right when he arrived at the hangar for his shift: A buzzing noise was coming not from the engine but from the tail of the Boeing 737-700. "You really couldn't see them, but you knew there were tons of them in there because there were so many that would fly out," he says. "I've been working on airplanes for 15 years and I've never, ever seen anything like it." The mechanics watched from a safe distance as the beekeeper smoked out and vacuumed up the bees. When the beekeeper started banging on a compartment in the tail to chase out the swarm, the mechanics became even more agitated. "The guys started yelling at him. You just can't do that. You could damage the plane," Mr. Guillory explains. Scents and colors also attract the bees. At an airport, that can lead bees to cluster on a turboprop that's been recently cleaned with lemon air-freshener. "For whatever reason, they seem to like the smell of jet fuel, and especially the yellow color of the Southwest airplane," says Judy Alexander, senior director of operations at Tucson International Airport.

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While bees don't pose a serious threat to planes, bee experts advise against the temptation to use the engines to suck in and kill a swarm of the uninvited passengers. Bees carry a small amount of honey with them when they travel, and if a jet engine ingested a swarm, "it could do some damage," says George Botta, a Las Vegas exterminator who serves on Nevada's Board of Agriculture. "It's not as bad as hitting a flock of birds, but it'd be like pouring a tank of honey into the engine."

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB115569253608736880.html?mod=todays_us_page_one (subscription)


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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:51 PM
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1. I guess that's the next movie... "Bees on a Plane"
n/t
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:19 PM
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8. Islamicized killer bees-the next threat
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:52 PM
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2. I'm tired of these muthaf*ckin' bees on this muthaf*ckin' plane!!
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:53 PM
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3. I'm more worried about "Gassy people on a plane".
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:57 PM
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4. Why do the bees hate America for our freedoms?....
actually I believe bees taking down a plane before I believe vaseline. :rofl:
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:14 PM
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11. Does this mean that we can no longer take bees onto planes.
Will they have to have special bee-ray equipment for our carry-on?
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:58 PM
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5. Obviously a job for
Michael Caine as anyone who's seen the film "The Swarm" will know. :)
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:59 PM
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6. I'd rather take my chances with snakes.
From what I heard this morning on the local news, those were killer bees. I could work my way through the snakes easier than a bunch of killer insect hellbent on well...killing me.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:03 PM
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7. This would be laughable except for one thing,
Their solution seems to be killing the bees. Frankly, in a period of time when we're running desperately short of bees, I find this repugnant. There are plenty of colors that won't attract bees, and the jet fuel can be treated to smell like something that the bees find unattractive. To kill them is simply irresbonsible, especially in California where the almond and other crops are having a huge problem getting pollinated, so big that CA farmers are renting out of state hives to come in and pollinate their orchards and fields, at big bucks to boot.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:14 PM
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10. Are the Africanized bees as beneficial as the regular pollinating ones?
Just asking, I really don't know.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:26 PM
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14. Killer bee honey is absolutely delish
But having to deal with the bees that make it can be lethal.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:17 PM
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12. Are you sure?
The article noted having a beekeeper vacuum up the bees. Presumably, most bees could survive that process (although they'd likely feel that the process sucked). On the other hand, I doubt that beekeeppers prefer to use Africanized bees.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:28 PM
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16. Article also noted that they fumigated the engine
With a chemical that actually killed the bees. That's what burns me.

And no, most beekeepers don't want to use killer bees. But with such a shortage of bees in general, we really can't afford to be killing any sort off, especially on the west coast, where farmers are begging for bees, Africanized or otherwise. Any bee to pollenize their crops would do.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:10 PM
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9. They'd better put some poisonous snakes on those planes to get those bees.
Hey, I'm still waiting for a theme park to come up with a Snakes on a Plane ride.
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Freedom_Aflaim Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:19 PM
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13. That happened to me once!
Many years ago I took flying lessons and I got to the point of solo'ing.

This was a tiny 4 seat Piper mind you. On one of my solo flights, A wasp started buzzing around my head.

Its a really freaky problem. you don't wanna get stung and you find yourself shooing the damn thing away and trying to coax it out the tiny vent window (about the size of your hand)...all the while flying the plane.

You don't wanna get stung, but you don't wanna be a smoking hole in the ground either.

Im trying to remember how I resolved it. Im pretty sure I just landed, opened the door and shoo'ed it out (I was doing touch n goes anyway).

Nowadays, I'd proably be required to radio for an F-16 escort :)
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:32 PM
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17. I'd be mortified if this happened while driving, so I cannot even begin
to imagine this while flying!
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Freedom_Aflaim Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:53 PM
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18. Well I was pretty comfortable flying
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 03:54 PM by Freedom_Aflaim
at that point, plus when you are piloting your attention level is much higher.

Very different state of mind - So when something like that happens, its a problem but you address it..differently. Panic is fatal when piloting, so you just don't do it.

I wish I had the money to fly small planes today. It was a wonderful stress reliver..the nature of the task took your mind off everything else..except it wasnt a "task" that you hated doing.

I suspect that by the time I have money enough again to fly, I'll either be to old, or Bush will have banned General aviation :(
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:27 PM
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15. Is it me, or does this read like a press release from New Line?
I'm a cynical bastard, I freely admit that.
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