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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:10 AM
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Evidence is unusual quantities of household chemicals in UK terra plot?
Is that like cleaning supplies and stuff? Maybe they are fastidious. How do I know?

I just heard this on CNN. I can't believe what I am hearing. I thought they were talking about nitroglycerin or some similar compound a few days ago? Did I misunderstand the original reports?

Or am I a conspiracy theorist for thinking what I am thinking?

Don
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:24 AM
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1. Perhaps they thought the jetliners were smelly, and wanted to Febreze
the seats? :sarcasm:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:32 AM
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2. Simple every day products
I can't imagine where you would have gotten the nitro idea considering they were making people dispose of common liquid products. In fact, since you've posted on this almost daily, I don't see that it's remotely possible that you truly made that mistake.

Gives folks something else to get hysterical about though.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:43 AM
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3. You just can't imagine where I would have gotten such a silly idea, eh?
http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/local_news/article/0,1406,KNS_347_4919915,00.html

Liquid-explosive work is nothing new locally

<snip>The threat of liquid explosives has been known to the government since at least 1994, when al-Qaida terrorist Ramzi Yousef used nitroglycerin hidden in a contact lens solution bottle and wires from a watch to build a bomb on a Philippine Airlines flight.

Yousef planted the bomb beneath a seat and deplaned before the flight's second leg. The bomb exploded on the way to Tokyo, killing a Japanese businessman and forcing an emergency landing.

The alleged plot broken up last week in the United Kingdom was on a much larger scale. U.K. authorities on Thursday arrested 23 people, who were accused of planning to explode bombs made from liquid explosives on as many as 10 jets en route to the United States.

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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:58 AM
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4. I have a pretty good idea which household chems, but I won't post em.
The end product when combined is *highly* unstable, even more so than nitroglycerin.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:57 PM
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12. Your Discretion Is Valued, Sir
This seems no different from treating large quatities of certain cold medications as demonstrating an interest in producing methamphetimine. The items are not named, but there are certainly some that contain low concentrations of chemicals useful in the manufacture of explosive compounds. Quantities would be needed for processing to obtain the necessary amounts in useful concentration.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:20 AM
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6. That doesn't say nitro
They've been talking about liquid household products that create an explosive since the very first day. It doesn't help to concoct your own falsehoods and think you're proving Bush's falsehoods.
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Kailassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 05:07 AM
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8. "Ramzi Yousef used nitroglycerin hidden in a contact lens solution bottle"
Perhaps you should learn to read before youaccuse people of concocting falsehoods.

This incident was the basis for contact lens solution being banned last week, on
the pretext that the same explosive was likely to be used again.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:34 AM
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9. Yep I missed that
But the reports were still that common household goods were going to be used. The correlation between the two plots weren't about the explosive used, it was about the numbers of planes, the overall size of it. That's the way I read that article.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:42 PM
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10. It was late. Don't worry about it
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 12:42 PM by NNN0LHI
I watched the news on this last week and if I had a nickel for every time I heard some "terra expert" mention the possible use of nitroglycerin in the current "plot" I would be a rich man today.

I am not going searching for the links to CNN and MSNBCs transcripts from last week but they are there if you want to see for yourself. Honest.

Don
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:01 PM
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13. Oh I didn't say that
I said I missed it as the article referred to the Ramsi Yousef bombing plot. I still disagree that anybody mentioned nitro in reference to the current bomb plot, it was a mixing of common household items all the way.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:02 PM
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14. Have they used the term "household"?
If so, post and link it.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:19 AM
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5. I have a feeling that they might float a household chemical canard
This is far fetched to the extreme. They clearly have no case.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 04:02 AM
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7. Maybe one of the suspects
runs a convenience store or a commerical warehouse.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:54 PM
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11. During the last round of WMD hearing
after Santorum claimed that they were found (even though we know they weren't) recently, didn't one of the people testify under oath that he had more dangerous chemicals under his kitchen sink than we found in Iraq? If I recall correctly, the Senator (repub of course) that was questioing him poopoo'd that idea and chastized him for making that comment, didn't he?

Guess that guy would have been listened to if he had made that statement in the UK.

I happen to agree. Some of the chemicals we use for cleaning can be deadly, even when used as they were intended to be, but especially if they aren't.
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