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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:59 AM
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Debate Over "Is Bush An Idiot?"
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Debate Over "Is Bush An Idiot?"

by Joe Gandelman

You KNOW you're in 21st century America where niceties are stripped away when you turn on cable TV talk shows. And, sure enough, Joe Scarborough (who seems to be one of the more independent talking head hosts on cable) actually began his show by asking in a segment "Is Bush An Idiot?"

The segment was quite interesting and can be viewed at HERE at Crooks & Liars which also contains this tidbit:

Scarborough probably had the most interesting observation when he brought up talked about old clips of when Bush was Governor of Texas and did not make anywhere near the number of mistakes that he does now and said it "seems like he is losing confidence by the day."

http://www.themoderatevoice.com/posts/1155705377.shtml



Gee

It's a tough question alright



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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:01 AM
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1. I don't think they needed to put "idiot" in quotes.
It's an extremely straightforward question.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:34 AM
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3. The man is more than an Idiot...He is DANGEROUS to the AMERICAN
DREAM
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:38 AM
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4. they can omit the words "debate over" too and make it a statement
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 02:38 AM by Skittles
yes
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:22 AM
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2. I wonder.
It's telling that Bush was less of a cretin when he was Governor of Texas than he is now. I'm wondering if his incipient idiocy is some carefully crafted PR exercise, designed to appeal to the intellectually insecure, inarticulate and ill-educated people who make up Bush's 'base.'

Smart men like Harry Truman understood the power of 'folksiness,' and that was in an era where the average Joe was (if surveys and polls are to be believed) a bit more intelligent than we are today. So Harry held forth with the homespun wisdom and the supressed vulgarity, to let everyone know he was an 'average guy.'

Reagan, of course, was a master of this. He turned absent-minded bonhomie into an artform. The 'Great Communicator' was nothing of the sort. He was the Great Liar, the Great Fraud, the Great Argument for Stemcell Research. What he communicated was drivel.

Shrub is the 21st Century avatar of America's obsession with accessibility. He's stupider than the average toenail, but celebrates the fact. How a man who was educated at one of the World's premier universities can be incapable of constructing a coherent sentence is beyond belief. Unless he's been coached that stupid sells. And stupid has sold. It has sold him to the electorate not once, but twice (or at least sold him to the GOP spinmeisters who rigged those elections).

So we have a moron as President. But he's not an ordinary, organically-grown moron. He's a carefully crafted, genetically modified, cybernetically enhanced moron, constructed to appeal to precise demographics. The fact that he appears to be burning-out after six years is merely a design fault.

The next version will be foolproof.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:48 AM
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6. I read he plays the part for his base.
This story I read said he used to even speak very clear but he does this because it is near his base. It is how they speak. I really did not know what to think of the story. I do not think the man is stupid at all but I do think he is the man who sees only one side, his, and he is right. You met people like this every day only Bush has a lot of power. I always think of the last Czar of Russia when I read about Bush. They seem just alike. Well the Czar liked to cut up trees not cut down brush but they both were so alike in their thinking from what I have read.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:40 AM
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5. Bush in a Dollar Store;
Hey how much is this pitchure of these cowboy boots here ?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:45 AM
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7. that stupid thing is an act.
vicious? certainly.

lack of curiosity? absolutely.

soulless? without a doubt.

he's like ted bundy -- a nightmare.

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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 04:29 AM
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10. "that stupid thing is an act." - I agree
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I think he is devilishly clever,

playing to the impressionable masses.

GeeDub gets more comments regarding his "stupid" personality trait than his evil one

and it is his evil that is destroying the USA IMO

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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:48 AM
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8. I suppose it depends on the definition of "idiot."
According to thefreedictionary.com:

1. A foolish or stupid person.
2. A person of profound mental retardation having a mental age below three years and generally being unable to learn connected speech or guard against common dangers. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.

Someone else pick; I can't decide.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 04:28 AM
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9. Friends disappointed me. Kucinich not look presidential.
And BUsh does. More often he looks like class president from some reform school.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 05:47 AM
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14. I wouldn't trust Bush to manage a mall shoe store. (n/t)
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 05:07 AM
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11. Debate Over "Bush Is An Idiot" ------ fixed it. ( n/t )
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 05:14 AM
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12. Yes, I think he's an idiot.
I don't think he makes the decisions.

And although I've often disagreed with Joe Scarborough I've always liked his show. Two more points fro Joe.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 05:30 AM
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13. That screen shot ranks right up there with
the Hannity sucks shot from last week.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 07:14 AM
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15. "Is Bush An Idiot?" Debate Over.
I just had to make that One Minor Change to the headline.

:bounce:
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 07:47 AM
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16. There's trouble in River City!
So, at the very least we have an "incurious" President who has a "communication problem." That pretty much tells me all I need to know about George W. Bush.

We have a President who doesn't want to hear what others have to say. He isn't interested, he isn't curious to find out what their opinions are. He's The Decider, and what he says goes. The Earth is flat, check. The sun rises in the West and sets in the East, check. Do not question him. He does not want to be bothered.

This is a very dangerous stance for a man in his position to take. No wonder there have been so many blunders. He doesn't get the whole picture, because he doesn't want it. He never hears the whole story, because he's already made up his teeny tiny little mind in advance. That's shallow, and it is dangerous to have such a man in office.

Next we have a President with a communication problem. That's a biggie, too. If he can't communicate properly, he's ineffective. People don't understand him because he can't vocalize what he wants to say, so they disregard him. Great, no wonder the United States is the laughing stock of the world right now.

We have a President who lacks the ability to express himself, and get his point across.

If anyone wonders how the world got in such a sad state, and why America is losing all it once had, they need look no further than these two reasons. A President must have the ability to learn, think, and express himself. These are basics that George Bush lacks.

We need to find someone who understands being President is more than doing what he wants to do because he wants to do it.
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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 08:04 AM
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17. How demoralizing it is to watch a string of these together..
And that response to a question, "I thought you were going to ask me about the pig." Somehow I missed that when it happened, and I find that absolutely horrifying.

And by the way, fellows, of course no Democratic President has that image...none of them were stupid.
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