"There's nothing racist in ethnic solidarity." True or false?

[Wonk]

[tuvor]

1. Who said that?

You have it in quotes, so I'm assuming someone of note said it.

[Wonk]

A longtime DUer just made that assertion in another thread.

[MadMaddie]

4. Can you provide the link?

[Wonk]

5. I prefer the poll not being about any particular ethnicity

because if the statement is true about one then it must be true about all, right? Conversely, if it's false about one then it must be false about all, right?

[journalist3072]

6. Go here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1917586&mesg_id=1917586

[MadMaddie]

9. Thanks!!

So is it racisim? Maybe Maybe not but it is a cop out....a cop out to not believe a community is not smart enough to figure out who will benefit their lives and their country....a cop out to demand that they support a person of the same race withought evaluating that persons actions and behaviors....

As an African American I would support Barak Obama for what he believes and what he is trying to do....but would I support someone that is a militant and believes that every other race is the enemy Absolutely not....

[BlooInBloo]

2. And let the "reverse racism" chorus begin.... 3... 2... 1...

NOW!

[TroglodyteScholar]

8. "Reverse racism"

I know what's meant by this term...but literally, shouldn't it mean acceptance?

Racism is racism is racism. Doesn't matter who's hating whom.

[MadMaddie]

3. I suppose it would depend....wouldn't it?

Is this ethnic solidarity coming together at the expense of tormenting another ethnic group? Because if so then it is racist....

[LoZoccolo]

7. I would say it would depend.

Ganging up on everybody else to be superior is one thing, but supporting each other in an environment where you're given a disadvantage due to discrimination and aren't getting the cooperation and support you need outside of your ethnic group (a point made by Malcolm X in his autobiography) is another.

Another thing to remember is that ethnicity is not the same as race.

[Ken Burch]

10. I'd have said "there's nothing INHERENTLY racist" in it...

There is always the possibility of a racist aspect emerging.

The best thing is when ethnic solidarity leads to solidarity with others who are or have been oppressed.

In this country, you don't see many examples of that sort of positive manifestation of ethnic solidarity, especially among "white ethnics", the term the Nixon campaign invented to describe the traditionally Democratic-voting descendants of Southern and Eastern European immigrants that that campaign sought to pull to the right.

In the US, a lot of "white ethnic" groups that started with a non-racist perspective embraced racism later when it was made clear to them that the only way they'd be accepted as "real Americans" by the WASP overclass was by embracing white Protestant attitudes towards African Americans, Hispanics and Native Americans.

And there was also the way the economic leaders of our society played each group off of each other by directing the anger that those groups justifiably felt towards American capitalism away from that and towards other groups instead. One reason antisemitism stayed alive in this country was that the White Christians who controlled our economic system installed Jewish people in visible positions so that the false impression of "Jewish control" could be perpetuated.

The implications that "illegal aliens" are to blame for American citizens being unemployed, or that "welfare mothers"(who in conservative propaganda are always portrayed as black) are also part of this strategy.

[Bucky]

11. Vague sweeping generalizations do not contribute to a dialog:True or False

True

[nolabels]

12. That's like saying heat and fuel won't create fire

As a person that can be perfectly alone in a crowd just about all the time, the sense of the crowd is just like an ocean wave. You can't tell how big it is when floating on top unless you notice your height from afar. This of course just before it starts to crash and you fall down from it.

little surfing ditty here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6551515315068767008&q=surfing&hl=en

[Taxloss]

13. Is this related to the whole "race traitor" debate over Condi? n/t

[Fenris]

14. Locking.

Please do not call out other members of Democratic Underground (and a direct quotation qualifies as a call-out).

Fenris
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