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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 07:55 PM
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Woman Facing Deportation Hides In Church


CHICAGO -- A Humboldt Park activist and mother is putting a very human face on the immigration battle.

Elvira Arellano has taken refuge inside a church to avoid being deported.

Arellano and her son, who was born here and is a U.S. citizen, have sought sanctuary in the church.

Her fourth one-year extension to stay in the U.S. has expired, and she was ordered to report to immigration officials for deportation Tuesday.

Immigration officials said Arellano is now considered a fugitive.

cont'd...

http://www.nbc5.com/news/9685188/detail.html
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:00 PM
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1. How does the church feel about this?
I applaud her bravery, and her savvy in going for a good way to raise the profile of this issue.

I can't wait for the religious right's response.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:04 PM
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2. It should cause an interesting dichotomy for the religious right.
Whether to love or hate, that is their question.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:05 PM
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3. I'm guessing hate.
Based on past behaviour, that is. But they have never been big on consistency.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:06 PM
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4. Since when has that ever been a question for a church?
Hate away - duh.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:08 PM
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5. We were talking about the religious right.
Don't get me started on the church.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:14 PM
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8. (shrug) The religious right is merely what "the church" would be...
... if it had the balls to say such things as the RR say out loud. They're wussy AND evil - as opposed to the RR being merely evil - lol.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:19 PM
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10. True, that.
There are good people in religion, I know, but as a whole...
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:26 PM
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12. Por ejemplo:
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:55 PM
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14. Oh. My. GOD!!!
Just when you thought he couldn't be any more insane.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:08 PM
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6. That's not true for all churches.
Hence my original question - does she have the support of this particular church? It seems to be the obvious question.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:24 PM
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11. Not of the particular church, but of the local Bishop.
I, seriously, don't think they will kick her out or let her be arrested.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 05:59 PM
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20. I rather doubt it.
The 'religious right' is overwhelmingly composed of fundamentalist evangelical Protestants who think Catholics are hellbound pagans who worship the Whore of Babylon, and this is almost certainly a Catholic church.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:10 PM
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7. She'll be deported in the end
Edited on Tue Aug-15-06 08:10 PM by Selatius
Of course, the more racist elements of America will cheer the outcome.

In the end, this incident will highlight the problem of exploitative free trade capitalism that exists in the world. As long as wealthy nations continue to rob poor nations of the resources that could be used to fight poverty, there will always be people desperate enough to cross borders. The problem isn't just free trade or corrupt governments. It's bigger than that.

When you talk about bringing entire regions of the world out of poverty, you're talking about challenging a lot of powerful people who benefit off that misery. You're talking about fighting powerful industrialists, and you're talking about billions of dollars. What you really have a problem with is capitalism, and I think the world would be a better place if democratic socialism was more popular.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:57 PM
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15. Good points.
Whatever happended to all those jobs NAFTA would create?
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:17 PM
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9. Sanctuary!
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:37 PM
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13. Just getting ready to post a one word answer when I got to
the last post - your post and you had done it for me.

She should be able to stay in the church (sanctuary) indefinitely unless Bush put something in one of his signing statements.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 09:18 PM
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16. I don't think the authorities
honor "sanctuary" any more. They'll probably move her "under the cover of darkness."
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 09:28 PM
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17. Are you referring to the church authorities or government
authorities. If you mean the church authorities it seems time to discuss/reinvigorate the Sanctuary Movement.

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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 05:51 PM
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19. I am referring to the local police. but I think the parish church,
will probably move her to a safe haven. I think they will do everything, they can do, to help her.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 06:07 PM
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21. Who the hell would want to be a Church prisoner?
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 01:06 PM
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26. Way to beat me to it.
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 10:04 PM
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18. Mainline Churches Did This In The 1980's
...it is called "sanctuary" from an ancient custom and law that has existed since before the time of Jesus.

When David was being chased by the Philistines who were going to kill him, he ran into a temple and as the story goes, he "grabbed the horns of the alter" and the Philistines had to retreat and give up the fight.

When someone enters a sanctuary (temple, church, mosque or any place of worship) they are supposed to be safe from the Powers That Be.

In the 1980's progressive churches all over the country joined in and provided an underground railroad such as what Harriet Tubman provided slaves to escape. South American people were at that time, fleeing the death squads and murderous regimes that were being funded and supported by the Reagan administration. Our ambassador to Iraq today, John Negroponte, was at the time a part of supporting death squads that went into villages and killed innocents and raped and murdered entire towns along with nuns as well as butchered priests who were ministering to the people.

It all began from the interpretation of the Bible that became liberation theology. In S. America a movement began because the Catholic Church did not have enough priests to minister to the people. Also the churches did not have enough printed material that dictated what scripture parishioners should read (they printed selected passages from the Bible and told the people that actually READING the Bible was not recommended). Since there was not enough printed material and priests, lay-people began to perform the duties of the church and refer directly to the Bible. So then after hearing directly from scripture, and from the words of Jesus, the poor and downtrodden came upon teachings like the Sermon On the Mount and the other 1700 or so references to the poor that said God walked among the poor, not with the rich.


Like we Americans, many believed there that if someone were rich, God somehow loves that person more than anyone who was poor. For centuries, since European invasion, there were only a few "special" families who owned everything (the Bush's being one of the interested parties, btw) who "let" people farm their lands for such things as coffee beans. In payment they required a portion of the yield in exchange for the care and usage of property to grow the crops. They kept the poor down because they demanded most of the crop that took such hard work to produce.

This new knowledge created a new way of thinking. And with the charismatic leadership of one American-trained El Salvadorian, Archbishop Cesear (sp?) Romero and others, it empowered the poor. Following the teachings of the early Chrisitans, they began to create small intertwined communities where they assisted one another with farming, health clinics, schools and the like, forming co-ops. They began to grow in resources and stature as they found that these communities promoted welfare for all, not just a few. And they also no longer depended solely on the whims of the rich for their livelihood. For instance Nicaragua had for awhile anyway, created the best third world health system in the world.

But Reagan and his people did not like this boldness of the poor (remember that Bush Sr was his vice president, a former CIA head as well as interested party in profits from the goings on of S America). They told Americans that these people were "communists" and a danger to us. They lied to us and said they did not do things like put mines in the waters of Nicaragua, which they did. They trained chosen people of the affected countries at places like the School Of The Americas, to become soldiers. Then these soldiers were set loose against those self-sufficient villages to burn, rape and pillage. Nuns were raped and murdered, priests murdered and dismembered, and Archbishop Romero was mysteriously assassinated by CIA trained and supported people.

When a few American and Canadian churches learned of what was happening, they tried to protect the refugees pouring over the border by saying these people were fleeing certain death in their own countries because they were marked by the death squads. But the Reagan administration said these people were not fleeing anything dangerous and therfore were illegal aliens and did not deserve sanction. So these churches formed the underground railroad that stretched from the Mexican border and got people to safety either to Canada or to an American church where some actually lived in the church (and a few synagogues).

Americans were tried for treason, for defying Reagan and his minions, but were later acquitted because, well it was an embarrassment to say the least. They knew if Americans learned the truth about the lies and what horrors our tax dollars in reality supported, WELL they would be toast. Iran-Contra came from it and Bush Sr barely excaped prosecution himself. And if they had been made into toast, we would not be in the trouble we are now in Iraq because THE SAME PEOPLE RUNNING S AMERICA THEN ARE THE SAME ONES RUNNING IRAQ AND OUR COUNTRY NOW.

What this woman is demonstrating is an honored tradition by going into the church and requesting sanctuary. She, like the people before her, is again by requesting sanctuary. She is raising back up a VERY bad ghost for this administration.

YOU GO GIRL!!!!

Cat In Seattle

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 06:58 PM
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22. As a homeless person, I guess I can now get sanctuary at a church
and be cared for and accepted as if I was a military protestor, or protesting deportation.

Yeah, that'll work....
:sarcasm:
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evox Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 07:36 PM
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23. She got that idea from
The Hunchback of Notre Dame
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Seeking Serenity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 08:10 PM
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24. I'm not sure how I feel about this
While I certainly support this woman and her desire to want to stay here with her US citizen son, I'm not sure how I feel about a church being used to evade an otherwise legitimate law.

1) If I support this woman's use of a church to avoid being deported according to law, then, in order to be logically consistent with the principle, then I would have to support, say, sanctuary in a fundie church for an anti-choicer who was wanted for violating the FACE act, which I would have a hard time doing (and, I dare say, so would most everyone else here).

2) I'm a strong supporter of the wall of separation between church and state. I don't think the government should be a respecter of religion by allowing someone to use a church (or synagogue or a mosque) as a way of evading the consequences of an otherwise legitimate law as if the church building is somehow is more special in the government's eyes than any other building. I know that if it were an anti-choicer appealing for sanctuary, I would be screaming about separation of church and state.

So I guess I cannot support this woman's action (and the government's for failing to do its duty). Sometimes it sucks trying to be principled. :-(

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Finder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 01:05 PM
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25. Kicking since this is still an issue...
and here is another thread on it:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2460638

I saw a segment last night on Faux with Hannity skewering the priest about this woman. Her son was born here and is a citizen...sad story.

I hope there is a way to let her remain here.
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