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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 02:23 PM
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Russ Fiengold's America
For those curious about the other side, the formerly Heritage Foundation connected website Townhall.Com has a big article today on Russ Fiengold as our next presidential candidate. http://www.townhall.com/columnists/KathrynJeanLopez/2006/08/14/hil_who_look_for_russ_as_dems_2008_pick

His candidacy is fuelled by cossacks (us) who watn to support a candidate who opposes the war. Which I suppose is largely accurate (accept the cossack part, I don't even know how to ride a horse).

This is a play off the lamont win; a win that makes a Fiengold candidacy a lot more plausible.

Fiengold isn't my favorite candidate at this stage in the game, but he's far from a bad one.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 02:23 PM
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1. LOVE RUSS!!!
Feingold for President!!!

:kick:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 02:25 PM
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2. far from a bad candidate, true. But he has a lot of political baggage
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 02:28 PM
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5. Who doesn't?
Seriously. Is it because he is single? Jewish? Anti-war? That's baggage I can handle.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 02:29 PM
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6. because he wanted Clinton impeached
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warpigs Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 02:35 PM
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8. He voted against impeachment
Please look it up before making incorrect statements.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 02:45 PM
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10. I didn't make an incorrect statement. I said he wanted him impeached
I never said how he ultimately voted.

Seriously, think about it.

Bill Clinton's approval rating currently stands at 88% among Democrats. 88%. That is amazing. 88% of Democrats wouldn't be able to agree on how many days are in a week. Yet Clinton stands with a huge 88% approval rating.

Couple that with Clinton's call for Lieberman to give it up today, and he's suddenly getting kudos from the blogosphere, too.

For the past 7 or 8 years, Democrats have contended that what Bill Clinton did did not rise to the level of impeachment. That is was the result of a "vast rightwing conspiracy." A Republican witch hunt.

Then there is Russ Feingold who was the most persistent and vocal critic of Clinton and the greatest Democratic proponent of continuing the GOP investigations throughout the period from 1997-1999. During the Lewinsky scandal in particular, Feingold was Clinton’s strongest and earliest Democratic critic.

When the scandal first broke, Feingold said, “If there is any proof that (Clinton) lied under oath, I will have no trouble voting on his impeachment,” making him the only Senate Democrat to openly consider that most extreme measure.

He later said that Clinton should seriously consider resigning. Even in the wake of the House impeachment vote, when Clinton was at his most politically vulnerable, Feingold refused to say Clinton shouldn’t resign - even as fellow Wisconsin Senator Herb Kohl strongly insisted that Clinton should remain in office.

At the actual Senate trial, Feingold was the Democrats’ Critic-in-Chief, voting to continue the trial and keep the charges on the books right up to the final vote:

Feingold was the only Democrat to vote against Robert Byrd’s motion to dismiss the charges.

Feingold was the only Democrat to support the motion to subpoena witnesses to testify against Clinton.

Feingold was the only Democrat to vote against either of Daschle’s motions to proceed to closing arguments - and he voted against both of them (on January 28 and on February 4).

Feingold did ultimately vote against removal, but unlike every other Democrat, he did not announce his opposition to impeachment until the day of the final vote. Feingold even refused to sign onto Dianne Feinstein’s bipartisan resolution to “censure and move on”, a resolution pushed by the founders of MoveOn.org because it would have undermined the proceedings of the impeachment trial. He only supported censure after impeachment had failed, when censure was the strongest measure left on the table to use against Clinton.

After Clinton’s impeachment trial was finally over, Feingold summed up his feelings succintly: President Clinton has disgraced himself.

So it's 2007. Feingold is in the race. Will he and his supporters suddenly claim the Democratic party, the DNC, the DLC, all associated politicians and bloggers were wrong? That Clinton deserved what he got and more? Will they say Feingold was standing on "principle" when he aided an attempted coup against a sitting Democratic president? Will Feingold supporters, and Feingold himself, embrace his statement that Clinton disgraced himself?

Bill Clinton. 88% approval rating among Democrats. Credited with the largest economic expansion in our country's history. Eight years of peace and prosperity.

Feingold will be hit hard and hit often with this by his primary opponents and will be lucky to limp out of New Hampshire.


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warpigs Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 03:09 PM
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12. He still voted "no"
If he wanted him impeached he would have voted "yes". It's that simple.

I don't recall seeing Feingold as the "most persistent and vocal critic of Clinton" Democratic Senator.

He has always acted as an independent and not just going with whatever the Democrats say.

"President Clinton has disgraced himself." I agree and most people would agree with me. Was it not disgraceful for screwing around with an intern? Of course, the Repubs disgraced themselves more with the impeachment proceedings.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 03:12 PM
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13. "If there is any proof that (Clinton) lied under oath,"
He still voted no. And I agree with Russ. Clinton DID disgrace himself. Even Clinton would admit that. But Clinton lost a little respect for me after courting the gay and lesbian vote and getting it and THEN signing DOMA into law. I guess we can't all agree on the same issues, but that's healthy, IMHO. But you just seem to not even care for Feingold. Can't help you there.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:30 PM
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14. He thought an investigation was warranted but voted against impeachment
Feingold believes in investigating anyone in goverment, republican or democrat, who there is reason to believe is wronging the American people by lies or anything else. That is why he has my vote, he doesn't let party politics keep him from representing the best interests of his constitutents. We would be better off if more politicians put Americans before knee jerk partisan politics. More than dems or repubs I want people with integrity and common sense to run our government.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 02:26 PM
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3. I'll support Feingold once he stops taking shots at fellow Democrats.
This is the same reason I opposed Lieberman and I refuse to be inconsistent in this manner.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 02:27 PM
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4. That's actually a pretty good
and in a lot of ways they are very similar shots. I mean the content is different but the tone is the same.

Bryant
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:31 PM
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15. Feingold did take a shot and Lieberman - said he was out of touch
Seems like alot of dems have been taking shots at Lieberman - is that wrong or is it just certain dems that should not be opposed?
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 02:34 PM
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7. its FEINGOLD, not FIENGOLD
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 02:43 PM
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9. Sorry.
But in fairness I'm very lazy and I genuinely don't give a damn.

Bryant
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 02:56 PM
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11. I'm from Wisconsin
and I'm a member of the FEINGOLD police. And besides, I shook his hand on Wednesday night. ;)
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