Big Dog On Lieberman:"His position is the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld position"

[kpete]

"Well, if I were Joe and I was running as an independent, that's what I'd say, too," Clinton said.



"But that's not quite right. That is, there were almost no Democrats who agreed with his position, which was, 'I want to attack Iraq whether or not they have weapons of mass destruction.'"



"His position is the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld position, which was, 'Does it matter if they have weapons? None of this matters. ... This is a big, important priority, and 9/11 gives us the way of attacking and deposing Saddam.'"



Clinton said that a vote for Lamont was not, as Lieberman had implied, a vote against the country's security.

more at:
http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5282264

[CoffeeCat]

1. Take that...

Lieberman! You evil, little leprechaun!

[Pale Blue Dot]

2. Good. It's about time. nt

[Selatius]

3. Clinton knows where his bread is buttered

And he's not about to attack the Democratic Party edifice that made his career just for the sake of bailing out one out-of-touch DLC nutjob who could give a damn about Iraq not being behind Sept. 11. Clinton is going where the Democrats are going, and they're going with Ned as per the primary election results.

[Cha]

10. liarman is quite dispensible

for the Democratic Party but he's not dispensible for the party of fascism and warmongering that are now flying under the gop banner.

[yellerpup]

4. Always a pleasure to hear Clinton speak.

And I am not surprised at the way he defines Lieberman's POV dovetailing with Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld. K&R! :kick:

[gordianot]

5. Keep barking big dog.

Flipping through the channels even Tweety showed disgust with Lieberman, however, Tweety answers his memos and could change his tune quickly.

[MrModerate]

6. Listened to him at yesterday's AIDS conference in Canada . . .

And was overwhelmed with nostalgia for the combination of brains and heart, excellence and humanity, confidence and humility personalized in this one guy (although Bill Gates was surprisingly knowledgeable and articulate too).

Too bad he blew (pun intended) his presidency. He could have been great. I predict he'll out-Carter Carter as an ex-Pres (which he's well on his way to doing).

[RethugAssKicker]

9. IMO, his presidency wasn't "blown"... and he was a

great president. That incident with Moncia was the Rethugs problem, not mine. It didn't distract me from what I admired of a president one bit!!

[MrModerate]

18. But it unfortunately distracted the hell out of America . . .

And put Clinton in a straightjacket for three years, and handed the 'Licans a club to beat Dems with.

I also think he made strategic, tactical, and priority errors during the whole Whitewater/Monicagate period that considerably weakened him and compromised his legacy.

The American people, on the other hand, showed pretty solid good sense in dismissing the witch hunt for what it was. The political effect was still highly damaging, though.

[never_get_over_it]

28. It was all our problems because NOTHING

got done in this country for almost two years which of course was their point all along there was no way he would ever have been removed - but they sure slowed him down didn't they - do you know the ONLY legislation passed the year he was impeached was the renaming of National Airport. I don't blame Clinton for this but the Repunks - but he gave them the rope to hang him ....

[madokie]

32. I think he was a hero

for pulling that chunk of meat out of her throat before she choked to death. I thought then and I think now that monica was paid for her services and not by the big dog either but by the re:puke:licons. after all they had investigated the man for what seemed like forever and couldn't find a thing to pin on him. Just had to get an impeachment no matter what, a blight on the big dog's record as a good and great President was their driving force. imo

[calico1]

7. Uh-oh...

Is Lieberman going to accuse Clinton of being Al Queida now?

:rofl:

[wiley]

24. Isn't it Enzi's turn?

Or some other swill drinking Republican liar?

[spanone]

8. ..and that's why his constituents dumped his ass.

The democratic ticket was merely a route for Liebermann. He could care less about the principles of the democratic party.

[ProfessorGAC]

11. Well, So Much For The Far Left Being LIE-bermann's Problem

When the ultimate centrist democrat, with the gravitional field of an ex-president says it was time to go, then the far left blogosphere hardly seems the issue.
The Professor

[gratuitous]

12. And this from a guy who campaigned for Lieberman

Wake up, major media. There's something happening here, and to you it's not exactly clear. But for the rest of us, it's the dawning of a new day in America, and maybe across the world. The criminal cabal that's robbed us blind for the last quarter century is being called to account, and they have nothing to offer but fear and terror.

[IChing]

13. Good for big dawg, finally

I respect and support Barbara Boxer and her stance
but now I await her comment.

[kpete]

14. Video

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2314678

[keith the dem]

15. I like this quote:

"Clinton said other Senate Democrats who had voted to give Bush the authority to go to war - including his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York - who may be weighing a 2008 presidential run, had hoped that the threat of war would force former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein to comply with U.N. inspections."

When the inspectors were allowed back in--WE WON! Any threat of WMD's was gone.

The big mistake of voting for the war authority was trusting that the * regime was rational and was really concerned about WMD. Bush wanted war no matter what.

This point needs to be shouted and shouted clear. I see nothing wrong with giving the authority to hold up that big stick to protect us from WMD. To go to war when the threat of WMD was neutralized was pure evil.

[kpete]

16. Welcome keith the dem

It is always "a big mistake" to trust this regime

[sandnsea]

20. Except that wasn't Hillary's position

She was genuinely as pro-war as Lieberman. When her and Bill had an opportunity to clarify that position, when Bush was caught in his 16 words, Bill went on Larry King and let Bush off the hook. A big reason we ended up with a muddled war message in 2004 was because Hillary was still triangulating for 2008. The message Bill has now is Kerry's position on the war vote, too bad the Clinton's didn't support it in 2004, we may well have had a very different election outcome.

[Kolesar]

31. So, Hillary controlled the Kerry/Edwards position on the war?

[sandnsea]

33. She certainly had influence

Don't you remember that there was no official view on Iraq in the platform? It was partly because of red state elections, but Bill & Hil sure weren't out there leading the pack against Bush and his decision to go to war "whether there were WMD or not". They didn't hold Bush accountable for saying that was not a vote for war in Oct 2002. It's kind of hard for a candidate to go against what an ex-President is saying and Bill was not a good leader against Bush and his run-up to the war and it was because he was triangulating for Hillary.

[Kolesar]

34. Wes Clark looked like a stalking horse with Bill & Hillary in the costume

I cannot remember which writer said that. I heard it quoted on a public radio show in October 2003 when I had a rental car with Sirius Satellite.

You are correct that the Clintons were mum about preventing the US going to war. Your speculation that it was a long term setup for Hillary 2008 is a plausible explanation. No way to prove it, but it surely was the position that someone "hedging their bets would take".

I just thought I would throw in the Clark comment for the fun of it.

[TankLV]

17. Great news - he has rekindled my favorable opinion of him.

He may have done many things that I disagree with, but taken as a whole, I still miss the Clinton Days...

[WI_DEM]

19. He and every democrat who campaigned for Joe should have

gotten a verbal, public acknowledgement from Lieberman that if he lost he wouldn't run as an Independent before they came into the state. It should have been a condition for their support. Afterall, Joe made no secret that if he lost he was going to run as an Independent. They should have nipped it right then and there. Then if he reneged on a public statement he would look like the flip-flopping man of no integrity he is.

[savemefromdumbya]

21. Big Dubai Joe

remember:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/2/22/112507.shtml

[jackster]

22. wow!

pretty damn blunt. Hillary, you listening to this?

[wiley]

23. Big Dog!

Best President Ever.

[Ino]

25. If he feels this way, why did he campaign for Liarman?

"Clinton said he campaigned for Lieberman because they had been friends for 35 years, and Clinton did not want the Democratic Party split over Iraq."

Campaigning because they'd been friends is a lame excuse to compromise your principles on such an important matter. And not wanting the party split over Iraq doesn't even make sense. Liarman drives wedges every time he opens his mouth!

I'm glad for Clinton's remarks and I do think they're sincere. But I'm still so disappointed he campaigned for Liarman. If his support was predicated on Liarman not running as an Independent, I could understand, but there's no evidence that it was.

[Voltaire99]

26. "Strong national security credentials" - hilarious euphemism!

"Lieberman has characterized his loss - and the need for his subsequent independent run - as liberals in the party purging those with the Lieberman-Clinton position of progressiveness in domestic politics and strong national security credentials."

Meaning: for the empire.

Imperial Dems are every bit as pro-war as Rethugs. Adios, Lieberman.

[PinkyisBlue]

27. Wow! An (ex)President who can think, reason and ARTICULATE!!

I really miss Bill Clinton. Talk about a legacy; he kept PNAC at bay during the eight years he was in office (and they tried and tried to get rid of him; they did everything but assassinate him).

It's so ironic that he's so well respected now. People look back on the Clinton years (the 90's) with positive nostalgia (for the most part). When people will look back on the Bush era, it will bring up feelings of dread and death.

[never_get_over_it]

29. How exactly did he keep PNAC away for the

eight years of his Presidency when they weren't established until 1997? And how did he try to get rid of them when he spent the better half of his second term fightning off the impeachment.

I like Bill Clinton more than I dislike him but the fact is the man puts his freaking finger up in the air to see how the wind is blowing before he speaks out - he just did that exact thing by criticizing LIEberman - a few weeks ago he was campaigning for him. Hillary does the same thing -

Also part of his legacy is this freaking NAFTA which has done nothing but increase the power of corporations and decrease the power of you and me. The whole NAFTA thing and being able to ship jobs overseas and the freaking bottom line and return to the execs and the stock holders is ALL that matters now - who gives a shit about the employees. Don't know about you but my company of almost 25 years has really put the screws to me as far as my pension - so I'm really pleased that the corporations have gotten stronger and stronger and I am making less money than I was. True things were MUCH better under Clinton - but he supports this crap that has ultimately hurt us.

And I have far less respect for him than I did when he was President because frankly his "friendship" with the Bush family literally makes me want to VOMIT.

Now granted compared to that effing freak of nature residing at the White House I would love to see the last duly elected President back in office....

[professor_grove]

30. Why on earth did you campaign for him then?

my God, what inconsistency!! The Clintons will be irrelevant in 2006. And let´s hope John Edwards, Feingold or Gore will take the lead from Hillary in 2008.