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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 05:24 AM
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What does Lieberman support when he takes the neocon's side?



(a) Crimes against Peace: namely, planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a Common Plan or Conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the foregoing;

(b) War Crimes: namely, violations of the laws or customs of war. Such violations shall include, but not be limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation to slave labor or for any other purpose of civilian population of or in occupied territory, murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war or persons on the seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity;

(c) Crimes against Humanity: namely, murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, and other inhumane acts committed against any civilian population, before or during the war,14 or persecutions on political, racial, or religious grounds in execution of or in connection with any crime within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal, whether or not in violation of domestic law of the country where perpetrated.

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/NurembergIndictments.html
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 05:40 AM
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1. Lieberman
is a neoconservative.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 05:58 AM
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2. Four profound words, H2O Man.
You're right, he is.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:34 AM
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4. We have had a King George now since 2000 now we get another.
Edited on Tue Aug-15-06 06:35 AM by Hubert Flottz


Beenadik Loserman

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:06 AM
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3. He still supports what the PNAC is doing and has done...
(a) Crimes against Peace: namely, planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a Common Plan or Conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the foregoing;

SELECTIVE INTELLIGENCE
Donald Rumsfeld has his own special sources. Are they reliable?
by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
Issue of 2003-05-12
Posted 2003-05-05


They call themselves, self-mockingly, the Cabal—a small cluster of policy advisers and analysts now based in the Pentagon’s Office of Special Plans. In the past year, according to former and present Bush Administration officials, their operation, which was conceived by Paul Wolfowitz, the Deputy Secretary of Defense, has brought about a crucial change of direction in the American intelligence community. These advisers and analysts, who began their work in the days after September 11, 2001, have produced a skein of intelligence reviews that have helped to shape public opinion and American policy toward Iraq. They relied on data gathered by other intelligence agencies and also on information provided by the Iraqi National Congress, or I.N.C., the exile group headed by Ahmad Chalabi. By last fall, the operation rivalled both the C.I.A. and the Pentagon’s own Defense Intelligence Agency, the D.I.A., as President Bush’s main source of intelligence regarding Iraq’s possible possession of weapons of mass destruction and connection with Al Qaeda. As of last week, no such weapons had been found. And although many people, within the Administration and outside it, profess confidence that something will turn up, the integrity of much of that intelligence is now in question.

The director of the Special Plans operation is Abram Shulsky, a scholarly expert in the works of the political philosopher Leo Strauss. Shulsky has been quietly working on intelligence and foreign-policy issues for three decades; he was on the staff of the Senate Intelligence Com-mittee in the early nineteen-eighties and served in the Pentagon under Assistant Secretary of Defense Richard Perle during the Reagan Administration, after which he joined the Rand Corporation. The Office of Special Plans is overseen by Under-Secretary of Defense William Luti, a retired Navy captain. Luti was an early advocate of military action against Iraq, and, as the Administration moved toward war and policymaking power shifted toward the civilians in the Pentagon, he took on increasingly important responsibilities.

W. Patrick Lang, the former chief of Middle East intelligence at the D.I.A., said, “The Pentagon has banded together to dominate the government’s foreign policy, and they’ve pulled it off. They’re running Chalabi. The D.I.A. has been intimidated and beaten to a pulp. And there’s no guts at all in the C.I.A.”

The hostility goes both ways. A Pentagon official who works for Luti told me, “I did a job when the intelligence community wasn’t doing theirs. We recognized the fact that they hadn’t done the analysis. We were providing information to Wolfowitz that he hadn’t seen before. The intelligence community is still looking for a mission like they had in the Cold War, when they spoon-fed the policymakers.” MORE...

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030512fa_fact


(b) War Crimes: namely, violations of the laws or customs of war. Such violations shall include, but not be limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation to slave labor or for any other purpose of civilian population of or in occupied territory, murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war or persons on the seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity;

TORTURE AT ABU GHRAIB

American soldiers brutalized Iraqis. How far up does the responsibility go?
by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
Issue of 2004-05-10
Posted 2004-04-30

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Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees; pouring cold water on naked detainees; beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair; threatening male detainees with rape; allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell; sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick, and using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee.


There was stunning evidence to support the allegations, Taguba added—“detailed witness statements and the discovery of extremely graphic photographic evidence.” Photographs and videos taken by the soldiers as the abuses were happening were not included in his report, Taguba said, because of their “extremely sensitive nature.”

The photographs—several of which were broadcast on CBS’s “60 Minutes 2” last week—show leering G.I.s taunting naked Iraqi prisoners who are forced to assume humiliating poses. Six suspects—Staff Sergeant Ivan L. Frederick II, known as Chip, who was the senior enlisted man; Specialist Charles A. Graner; Sergeant Javal Davis; Specialist Megan Ambuhl; Specialist Sabrina Harman; and Private Jeremy Sivits—are now facing prosecution in Iraq, on charges that include conspiracy, dereliction of duty, cruelty toward prisoners, maltreatment, assault, and indecent acts. A seventh suspect, Private Lynndie England, was reassigned to Fort Bragg, North Carolina, after becoming pregnant.

The photographs tell it all. In one, Private England, a cigarette dangling from her mouth, is giving a jaunty thumbs-up sign and pointing at the genitals of a young Iraqi, who is naked except for a sandbag over his head, as he masturbates. Three other hooded and naked Iraqi prisoners are shown, hands reflexively crossed over their genitals. A fifth prisoner has his hands at his sides. In another, England stands arm in arm with Specialist Graner; both are grinning and giving the thumbs-up behind a cluster of perhaps seven naked Iraqis, knees bent, piled clumsily on top of each other in a pyramid. There is another photograph of a cluster of naked prisoners, again piled in a pyramid. Near them stands Graner, smiling, his arms crossed; a woman soldier stands in front of him, bending over, and she, too, is smiling. Then, there is another cluster of hooded bodies, with a female soldier standing in front, taking photographs. Yet another photograph shows a kneeling, naked, unhooded male prisoner, head momentarily turned away from the camera, posed to make it appear that he is performing oral sex on another male prisoner, who is naked and hooded. MORE...

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact


(c) Crimes against Humanity: namely, murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, and other inhumane acts committed against any civilian population, before or during the war,14 or persecutions on political, racial, or religious grounds in execution of or in connection with any crime within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal, whether or not in violation of domestic law of the country where perpetrated.

Whiskey And Golf Before Rape-Murder?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/07/iraq/main1872164.shtml

If wanton murder is essential to the US campaign in Iraq, it's time to leave

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So it is with the slew of alleged atrocities committed by the US military in Iraq. Many have produced their own investigation, occasionally their own sanction, and inevitably their own version of shock and bore among the American public. Amazement that American soldiers could be involved in such despicable actions is soon followed by a lack of interest in the consequences.

Last week the US military charged eight marines with kidnapping and murdering a disabled Iraqi civilian in Hamdania on April 26. According to the charges, they dragged Hashim Ibrahim Awad, otherwise known as "Hashim the lame" because of the metal plate in his leg, from his home and bound his feet and hands. Locals say the marines then shot him four times in the face. According to prosecutors they put an AK47 and a shovel next to his body to make it look as though he had been digging a hole to plant a roadside bomb.

This is not to be confused with the alleged execution of 11 Iraqi civilians, including four children, near the city of Balad. Or the investigation into the murder of three Iraqis held in custody in Salahaddin province, north of Baghdad. Or the two soldiers charged in connection with the murder of an unarmed man near Ramadi who then placed an AK47 next to his body. Which, in turn, should not be mistaken for the atrocities at Haditha, where marines killed 24 civilians - including 10 women and children and an old man in a wheelchair.

Let us leave aside for the moment that these are just a few of the atrocities reported in Iraq, that there have almost certainly been atrocities that haven't come to light and that untold thousands of Iraqi civilians have been killed by US forces in conditions considered insufficiently atrocious to be worthy of investigation. MORE...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1805802,00.html

US admits it used napalm bombs in Iraq

http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/030810-napalm-iraq01.htm

War Crimes Under the Cover of Empire
Rendition, Torture and Democracy
By WILLIAM W. MORGAN

What are the chances that Rice and the current National Security Advisor don't know about the secret CIA flights and the torture of prisoners? Almost zero.

This makes both guilty of concealing a crime.

What are the chances that the current interim ruler of the US, George Bush does not know of such things? Slightly more, but still not much more than zero. So he is almost certainly also guilty of conspiracy to conceal a crime.

Might not those tortured have been terrorized by the event? Weren't they in a state of terror? Under existing and/or proposed laws anyone guilty of even knowing of a terrorist act is themselves a terrorist, yes? Do we need a seventy page document from NAM to define what constitutes a terrorist act?...More

http://www.counterpunch.org/morgan12072005.html

What part of "NEVER AGAIN" don't you understand Joe?




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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:36 AM
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5. He supports the Pub side of things lately and seems to have shifted
most likey got bought by the PUBs.

Joe is a fucked up ole has been. I hope he loses the race.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:43 AM
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6. He's a turncoat wimp.
A whipped pup. A shameless tool like Zell miller. He had been on the wrong side of things for a while. I think he was trying to get the party back because he got abot 5 votes when he ran for prez. Just think about what the country would have gotten if Joe was elected president. The democratic party can do better than guys like that!
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