Must See Keith Olberban video on Terror Politics.

[burythehatchet]

http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/08/14/olbermann-the-nexus-of-politics-and-terror/

This is a very important segment that Olberman did relating to the politics/terror warning nexus. I would encourage everyone to watch it and send it to "non-believers".

Thanks you Keith Olberman.

on edit - be patient, its a long download (12 minute segment)

[TomInTib]

1. I just saw that

Watching the rerun in PST.

Killer.

And Outrageous.

And where is the fire in the streets?

We are rolling over and asking for a belly-rub.

[raysr]

2. I watched...

must've been why no "Worst person in the World".

[ginnyinWI]

3. it makes sense to me.

They time their announcements of terror "events" to distract the media from bad political news. We've all noticed the connection. And each time, nothing comes of the "threat" except some people get scared. It was interesting to see how they varied the threats each time, picking different expected targets and using the flimsiest facts to the greatest effect they could. I see Rove all over this.

[librarycard]

5. People get scared & air traffic stops at the busiest airport in the world

It's a dangerous practice on many levels.

[librarycard]

4. I was asking about a timeline of terror alerts v. politics the other day

Thanks, Keith! You are terrific.

Here's one on a website that hasn't been updated. It might be more detailed than Olbermann had time for in his segment:

http://homepage.mac.com/gcatalone/iblog/B946297652/C722062357/E1905819813/

[converted_democrat]

6. K&R- Wow, what a powerful piece.. n/t

[Tuttle]

8. dumb question

what does K&R mean?

Maybe DU should have a glossary (or maybe they do)!

Tut-tut

[burythehatchet]

10. K&R = Kick & Recommend

there is a DU glossary, but I don't know where

[Maraya1969]

69. If 5 people recommend a thread it gets to the "Greatest Page"

and kicking it just puts it at the front of the line again in the regular forums. You may not be able to recommend yet - I can't remember how many posts you need to be able to recommend a thread.

[babylonsister]

7. Bookmarkable for future ammo! nt

[leftchick]

9. I watched it last night

Now That Is NEWS! :)

[Hissyspit]

66. I watched it last night, too, and eveyone needs to see it, even

if they think they don't.

[Fuzz]

11. Watching now on my Tivo

Damning. Good stuff. And I like the fact that he qualifies it by saying it could be coincidence, something Rush and Hannity would defiantly not do.

[Subdivisions]

12. That is...

Out-FUCKING-rageous!

And, I'll ask again for the previous poster...WHERE IS THE FIRE IN THE STREET?

WHEN ARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GOING TO FINALLY STAND UP AND DO SOMETHING BESIDES SHRUG THIS SHIT OFF AND MOVE ON?

[Bozita]

13. Now, THAT's journalism!

Kudos to KO.

[Julius Civitatus]

19. Sorry... he ripped off my research, claimed it was his

Only the recent news events added to the timeline were his. I did all this research and posted it in my blog 2 years ago this month. Only about 10 or 15% of that was truly his.

This is the second time Olberman "borrows" all my research for his show without even mentioning the source. I mean, it's almost verbatim, item by item, what I posted in my blog:

http://juliusblog.blogspot.com/2004_08_01_juliusblog_archive.html#109156476570482138

Not cool, people. Not cool at all.

:-(

[Bozita]

20. Obviously, KO has found a reliable source

You may be it.

[Julius Civitatus]

23. So, then he rips off a source without giving any credit at all

That's very uncool, and very DISHONEST! HE didn't do all this research. I did!


I'm not happy over this.

[burythehatchet]

33. I understand your frustration but I have to say

1. There is a huge part of the population that has known the government has been playing this card.
2. The dates of the terror alerts and the political events preceding the alerts are public knowledge. In general, attribution is appropriate when someone has identified something not in plain view.
3. This is an incredibly important issue, so if I were you I would be pleased that the issue is getting airtime at least on one mainstream show, rather than be outraged.

[Julius Civitatus]

37. self delete

self delete: server dupe

[Julius Civitatus]

38. Sure, but he shouldn't call this "his" research, and "his" staff's finding

because 90% of that report is taken straight from my blog. A simple mention that "some bloggers like so-and-so first noticed these correlations in August 2004, when they published their findings.... blah blah blah" would have been fair.

That was all it was needed to make it legit. If I had done it, if I had taken Keith Olbermann's work without attribution and claimed it was my own, people would have called that PLAGIARISM.

Sorry, but that's the word. I like KO and follow his show often, but this pisses me off, because it's not honest.

[EstimatedProphet]

56. Contact him and tell him so

I can't see them refusing to acknowledge you specifically, if you make sure they know that you consider it plagiarism (which it is, if they did use your information)

[NewYorkerfromMass]

57. Everyone was making these correlations

From your own blog:

Tuesday, August 03, 2004

Timeline of Terror Alerts

"Biltud, from Salon.com's TableTalk, posted a few days ago a series of correlations between past terror alerts and political events unfavorable to the Bush administration...."

[Julius Civitatus]

58. Biltud and I did all the research for this study

You used a very selective sentence without mentioning the rest. If you read the article, you'll see that Biltud and I got together after her brief post in Salon. We decided to go into a full research of this matter, and that is what's posted in my blog. Maybe I should have been more specific.

Last time I talked to her was when Olbermann first aired "his" report on fake terror alerts. She was also disappointed KO never mentioned the blog article at all or either one of our names.

[Bozita]

34. I read your blog. You're right.

[Buzz Clik]

42. The idea is similar, but the execution is quite different.

Nevertheless, if I were in your position, I'd be flattered. You had a great idea, and it seems that others agree.

Nice job!

[Buzz Clik]

14. Gutsy stuff. Hats off to Olbermann.

[oc2002]

15. now thats what I call investigative journalism.

hats off to you Olberman. Well done job of connecting the dots.

[Nightjock]

16. I wish I could nominate this 100 times

Where is the outrage?

[Nimrod2005]

17. Keith is GOD - Or at least, he is doing the REAL god's work...nt

[Julius Civitatus]

18. Second time Keith Olberman RIPS OFF my work, without crediting me

Second time he rips off my work straight from my website, without even a meager mention:

http://juliusblog.blogspot.com/2004_08_01_juliusblog_archive.html#109156476570482138

http://juliusblog.blogspot.com/2004_08_01_juliusblog_archive.html#109174332697993966

Wanker!

:(

[Subdivisions]

24. Hmmm...

OK, I'll be the one to say it...

Looks like KO might have stolen your stuff.

Damn, is there anyone out there that we can truly trust?

[Julius Civitatus]

26. KO often gets his stuff from blogs, but he usually quotes them

In my case, he simply borrowed the entire thing, almost verbatim, and claimed it was HIS research.

That's bullshit. Absolute bullshit. It bothers me.

HE has no problem quoting Kos or Atrios when it's convenient, but then he can rip off a blogger with small traffic. This is DISHONEST on his part.

[Subdivisions]

29. I've read the blog posting and

watched the video again.

I think he stole your research and failed to credit you.

On edit: BTW, you did damn good work. Keep it up.

[Buzz Clik]

43. You keep saying that he ripped you off "verbatim", but that isn't the case

The idea of the time is similar, and he hit many of your events. However, a lot was edited out, lots of video, and KO (his writers, actually) added additional material and a different twist on the interpretation.

You may have inspired the idea, but perhaps you didn't. Regardless, you did a great job on your blog.

[Julius Civitatus]

47. Sure, they changed the language here and there

just like a high-school kid copying a term paper to make it seem personal. But the dates he picks and the news he contrast the terror alert against, well, those are straight from our study from 2004. It's clear.

Could two people come up with the same idea? Sure, but I find this less likely after our 2004 study circulated all over the web a good 14 months before he aired his report. We did all the legwork on this story, he's basking on the praise for this "research".

That's unfair.

[Buzz Clik]

49. I totally agree that it sucks that you don't get a response.

At the very least, you are owed an explanation.

[Catherine Vincent]

25. You should send him an email.

And discuss this with him or his staff. If you really think he stole this from you, that would be the best thing to do.

[Subdivisions]

27. Did you read the blog

cat_girl25? Do you think KO stole this from Julius Civitatus or not?

[Catherine Vincent]

30. I can't comment on that until after I read his blog.

Unfortunately the firewall at the j-o-b prevents that.

[Julius Civitatus]

28. I did last Fall, when he first ripped off our work without crediting us

I very politely explained to him this was not right. I even gave him the benefit of the doubt, saying maybe one of his staffers stole the research from my site and claimed it was his own to gain some favor.

I explained I don't mind him using my stuff as long as he was honest and mentioned where he got all this work. We did all the leg work here, lots and lots of time parsing through the news from 2001 to 2004, and posted tons of research and findings on the fake terror alerts.

He never even replied to me.

[Catherine Vincent]

31. You should post this in the KOEB forum.

I think some of the posters have ways to get in contact with him.

[IndyOp]

40. It seems likely one of his staffers read your blog and presented it to KO

as their own great idea -- and the other staffers, not knowing, did not check your blog or respond to your email.

It is worth another try to reach him - I would think that KO would be willing to respectfully credit you.

[imax2268]

32. Well...

then you should be proud 2 know that he reads your stuff...

[flyarm]

51. AND WORK HERE IS RIPPED OFF IN MANY BLOGS ..

AND IN MANY MEDIA.. it happens daily and others take credit for it..and you know what..get over it..are you in this for 15 minutes of fame..or getting our country back??

if its the 15 minutes of fame..you are not doing this work for the right reasons in my opinion..

i have had lots of stuff i have kept in my files since day one of 9/11( stuff no longer available) and you know what..i am thrilled that the info is getting out of my files and on the tongues of hundreds of thousands of Americans people !

by whatever means possible..and very few give credit to those doing the work..i assure you of that..

so do you want people to see the stuff or have it reamin obscure ..and unseen?

is a pat on the back so important to you..or getting our country back??

did you do the work for attention or for the truth getting out to the American people?

i have been working on this stuff for 5 years now..and i never, ever seen your blog..so you know what..i would never have seen that info without Keith..

and neither would millions of Americans...

that is not taking away from your work ..or your diligence..it is sharing it with people who would have never connected these dots..

yes you should feel proud of your work..we all do..but if 10 people are seeing it..what the hell good is your work?

and your time invested??

do you have a disclaimer on your blog requiring credit be given or permission to copy your work??

how does anyone know it is only your work?

do you think Keith does not have the same copies of media clips you do?

did you get permission to post the media clips from the originator of the clips?

i praise you for your work..but get over it please..

now many Americans are sitting in their living rooms asking questions that they would otherwise would not be asking had it not been for Keith!

fly

[CatWoman]

53. wow, Fly

just wow

[Julius Civitatus]

55. So members of the MSM are exempt from plagiarism?

Don't get me wrong, I do agree with many of your points in your previous post.

But KO is a big media personality making a huge pile of dough working for one of the largest networks in the nation. The fact that he is paying attention to our issues is great, but does it exempt him from plagiarism? Can he (or his staffers) go around taking the work of bloggers without attribution and claiming it's their own, just because? If so, it seems to me he (or his staff) have no respect at all for the bloggers that are the bread and butter of his Countdown show.

So is he a journalist, thus required to abide to the rules of the profession (which includes crediting your sources), or is he an "advocate" exempt of following these rules?

[flyarm]

60. is your work published in anything?? do you have disclaimers??

i don't mean published on a blog..thats not published...

thats blog ..anyone can copy your stuff..and paste unless you have copyright rights..
do you??

i don't give a crap about how much anyone makes..

thats irrelevant..

do you have copyright rights??

may i suggest you get them, if you do not want your stuff copied or used by others without your express permission!

otherwise..anyone can copy your work..and you are shit out of luck!

fly

[Julius Civitatus]

61. Yes, published in a blog means published

Copyright law protects blogs. Publication on the web protects your work. Read about it.

There's a big copyright sign and "All rights reserved" at the bottom of every page in my site. How's "all rights reserved" for a disclaimer?

Once again, you are dissembling my words. We are not talking about anyone "copying-and-pasting", but about attribution. I think I stated clearly above that I don't mind people using, quoting, or redoing our work... as long as they properly cite where they got it in the first place. It's a basic.

Joe Conason used my work, and nicely credited Biltud and I about the legwork.

Air America radio (Sam Seder), has read our study several times on his show, always mentioning the blog, where he got the material.

Mother Jones magazine published an article based on our research findings, also expanding it on their own. They also mentioned Biltud and I, and linked to the blog.

Salon.com used our work too, politely mentioning us and even linking to us.

About a dozen media people referred to us, which is the FAIR thing to do. Keith Olbermann is the only one who hasn't done it, even though his alleged study parallels our in an uncanny way. That's uncommon of him, so I keep thinking it may be the action of a less than honest staffer looking for a quick way to climb the ladder.

Hope that clears it.

Please, I suggest you use less angry terms toward me. You seem very angry at me when I'm just posting about what I think is a fair gripe. Chill out.

Another hypothetical question, would you think it would be fair if KO was nominated for an Emmy or a Peabody Award for that report? If that happened, do you think Biltud and I should shut up, and KO take the award and recognition based on a work taken from us without any attribution?

[flyarm]

64. you assume i am angry..not in the least..i could care less about

what you say or don't say..you are assuming keith took your work..why don't you write him and ask him if he used your work..if not, i believe you owe him an apology..if he did, you might ask him to credit you instead of bitching on a public forum..

you are the one who seems angry to me..otherwise you would have done the wise thing of emailing keith and asking him if he used your work..

instead of smearing him here without proof of your accusations...

and you never answered my question..did you use others clips in your work ..and did you get authorization??


i could give a rats crap about whats on your blog..honestly...i don't read blogs very often..

but i as well as many in this country watch keith!

he is one of the only voices we have on the tube..

what i don't like is putting dirty laundry here about him..when you have not contacted him directly..

and making accusations you have no proof of.

do you own all the media clips keith used??

fly

edit to add...

i never read your blog..never heard of it..and am not inclined to read blogs..but dear..i made this same observation myself a very long time ago,,in fact when it began happening..see darlin..i am from a town that lost alot of 9/11 victims..and many of us made this correlation immediately when this shit was started..so you are not the only one to the dance!

and yes i have myself kept records of the terror alerts..in fact, i was a flight attendant for one of the airlines in NY and i kept records of the internal warnings we were getting as flight crews ..because ./.i got it..what was going on!!

and what my suspicions were, were not pretty..
i was also a delegate for kerry and it was obvious and spoken about within the campaign what cards were being played...

i didn't need your blog to tell me that!

[Julius Civitatus]

65. First, chill out. Second, read what I write before you go on a rant

Seems like you don't even read my posts, and go on a rant regardless. Either you are not reading my posts here, or you are willfully ignoring what I am saying and making accusations against me:

- First YES I have contacted him twice about this matter. He has never replied. So has the other blogger that conducted the research with me. No response.

- Second, NO, I have not used "clips without permission" about anyone's work in my research. As a matter of fact, most of my work involves proper quotes and attributions to news items between 2001 and 2004. We properly quote and link to each occurrence. You won't even read my study, but throw wild assumptions at random.

- You say that you (and I quote) "don't give a rats crap about whats on (my) blog", but dismiss my issue regarding this matter just because it's Olbermann. So, if he's on our side, we need to shut up (according to you) and take it. What's not right is not right. You certainly have no idea what you are talking about, but decided to bash me, even though my complain is founded.

- Again, you keep saying I have not contacted him. I have, several times. Since he never responded I made my letter public as well. No response.

- I make accusations with the knowledge that a big deal my work was seriously taken into this report without attribution. That's all I asked KO about: I'm not even saying he did, but someone in his team (staffer, producer, whoever) took our research straight from the blog and put it in TV report form. Not even a simple mention about all the work we did.

- Lastly, don't you "darlin" me. I did not use any derogatory or patronizing terms to you. I have a gripe with KO and I am posting it here. He is a broadcaster making lots of money on a major TV network. I say either he, his staffer or his producer took our work and used it on their report without attribution. I know he is "on our side", but he should follow the rules and give proper credit where credit is due. If we decide that our side were exempt of following the same rules, we would be acting like wingnuts, really.

[flyarm]

67. sorry but i have no idea if your complaint

is founded..because you say so??

and now this is the second time you bring up" He is a broadcaster making lots of money "

that is irrelevant to me ..as i do not have any idea how much he makes nor is it my buisness.
and i suggest it is you who is angry..i simply suggested you contact him and asked you if you contacted him..

and i am finished replying to this as i see it as nothing but devissive.

fly

oh and i do appologise for calling you dear and darlin..but that is part of my speech..i am sorry that offended you..it wasn't meant to.
i have never had anyone complain of that before..but i guess i better watch myself..and change who i am..and how i speak. i see now, some could be offended by it..and for that i appologise.
it goes back to my years living in texas.

[d---mad2]

62. agree with fly

Unfortunately most Americans do get their news from the boob tube.
And Countdown is watched by millions, so kudos to Keith for this 12 min segment.
Therefore Jules, unless you have "copyrights or disclaimers," you should've felt good that your efforts reached such a mass audience! Remember; THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU, THIS IS ABOUT THE MESSAGE.

[Julius Civitatus]

63. I'm sure KO and his staffers would say the same thing if this report

gets a nod for an Emmy or a Peabody award. I'm sure they would turn around, decline the award and say "it's not about us, it's about the message."

While I think it's cool the message is getting spread, it's clear the KO show, or his producer or staffers have taken our study and ripped if off without an attribution. He has quoted and credited bloggers before; why not us? I don't get it.

PS: Once again, yes, I have copyrights and disclaimers for my site, in every page.

[oc2002]

21. Question. In there he says it was the US that wanted the liquid bomb scare

to be revealed at this time. Is there a article on this in the news, I must of missed it.

[burythehatchet]

35. Yes, there were media reports on this, forcing Tony Snow

to deny it.

[oc2002]

39. Links? I am googleing but can not find this. help would be apprecieate.

thanks.,

[burythehatchet]

50. link

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14320452

[flyarm]

52. here is the story...and link..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14320452

Source: U.S., U.K. at odds over timing of arrests
British wanted to continue surveillance on terror suspects, official says
NBC VIDEO


• Disagreement over terror arrests
Aug. 12: U.S. and British authorities disagreed on when to break up an alleged plot to blow up airliners bound for the United States, officials say. NBC's Lisa Myers reports.
Nightly News


Updated: 10:43 a.m. ET Aug 14, 2006

snip:

LONDON - NBC News has learned that U.S. and British authorities had a significant disagreement over when to move in on the suspects in the alleged plot to bring down trans-Atlantic airliners bound for the United States.

British officials knowledgeable about the case said British police were planning to continue to run surveillance for at least another week to try to obtain more evidence, while American officials pressured them to arrest the suspects sooner. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the case.

In contrast to previous reports, one senior British official suggested an attack was not imminent, saying the suspects had not yet purchased any airline tickets. In fact, some did not even have passports.

[bbernardini]

22. Thank for C&L!!!

I'm on vacation, and wasn't able to see this segment. Woohoo!

[chat_noir]

36. OBEY

[seemslikeadream]

41. Thank you Keith

I wear it proudly

[dwp6577]

44. regardless of who did the research....

thank you keith for trying to get this out there...that's the important part...so much of the country knows only what they see on TV

Take back America

:)

[Bitwit1234]

45. Olbermann

And the cons are already starting to slime Olbermann calling him a flaming liberal. What is so darn bad about being a liberal. Being CONservative doesn't do a thing for the country.

Olbermann has documentation for everything he has on the account. What does rush, coulter and the fox boys give you for their ranting and ravings. Stands to reason when they can't refute visual evidence they slime and smear rove has taught this bunch of lemmings well.

[burythehatchet]

48. Welcome to DU

[truedelphi]

46. Watched it yesterday - Wished for the link - THANK U!

[EstimatedProphet]

54. Saw it last night-it was excellent

And I especially liked the fact that not just once, but TWICE he brought up the fact that this administration DID LEAN ON BRITAIN to release the information on a timeline beneficial to them. Yet so many people here said that such an idea was ludicrous.

[LSK]

59. K&R

Just showed a co-worker.

[burythehatchet]

68. I showed my son...he was shocked. nt

[Catchawave]

70. Transcript:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Catchawave/80

I know, shameless promotion of my journal, but you can read most of it here, then use the link and scroll down to read the rest of it :hi:

Olbermann's transcripts are always a good read as I send them out to my cable challenged friends too.

[David Ippolito]

71. Again, me and Keith on the same page...

Finally recorded this yesterday.

http://www.thatguitarman.com/MP3/sounds.mp3

Pass it around. Have fun with it. (Contains the word bullsh*t)

It's yours Underground.

http://www.thatguitarman.com

David