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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 09:43 PM
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USA is #1....
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 09:48 PM
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1. Take that, Sao Tome and Principe!
bitches
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 10:15 PM
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2. very interesting. i found a link to look up other stats
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/docs/notesanddefs.html#2129

and i've been sitting here looking through all this for the last fifteen minutes.

thanks for the post.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 10:31 PM
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3. I believe we also rank #1 in the number of incarcerated citizens...
Edited on Mon Aug-14-06 10:33 PM by theHandpuppet
http://prorev.com/statscl.htm

U.S. HAS ONE QUARTER OF ALL THE WORLD'S PRISONERS

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With an incarceration rate of 724 per 100,000 inhabitants, the United States is the unchallenged world leader in both raw numbers and imprisonment per capita. With a global prison population estimated at nine million, the US accounts for about one-quarter of all prisoners on the planet. In terms of raw numbers, only China, with almost four times the population of the US, comes close with about 1.5 million prisoners. Our closer competitors in incarceration rates are Russia (638 per 100,000) and Belarus (554), according to the British government's World Prison Population report.

Black and Hispanic prisoners are also more likely to be doing drug war time. More than a quarter of black and Hispanic prisoners are serving drug sentences, compared to less than 15% of white prisoners.

U.S. JAILS MORE THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY

INCARCERATION RATES

US: 726 people per 100,000
UK: 142
China: 118
France: 91
Japan: 58
Nigeria: 31
Source: Justice Policy Institute

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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 11:11 PM
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4. Excuse me but...
There is a wide disparity in the numbers you quote, to be true. ONE reason for the disparity just MIGHT be that in countries like China, Russia, and Belarus (the latter two which you left in a paragraph above rather than to list separately like the rest; for what reason I can only spectulate on) you are much more likely to be EXECUTED upon convicton of a crime for which you might only be "incarcerated" for in the United States.

One example I might point to would be the way Malaysia (and a whole lotta other countries) EXECUTES those involved in the drug trade. Another might be the fact that China doesn't consider its "re-education" camps (de rigueur in communist countries)to be prisons. And, don't quote me on this, but I think that in Nigeria, the gendarmes can just shoot you summarily.

I first came to this site after being clued-in to it by a friend who posts here regularly. I came because of a deep-seated dislike for anything conservative, republican, or authoritarian. That, and I fucking HATE George W. Chimperor.

Lately though, I'm becoming very dissilusioned. Some who post here, in an effort to make a point, will use any purported fact in an effort to make the country look bad. I posit that it's not the COUNTRY, but the GOVERNMENT (this one and every one who followed the Truman administration) who is the culprit.

You can tell by my post count that I pick and choose my posts very carefully. Still though, that doesn't stop people here from stating out loud (as it were) that "we've been freeped" in response to my posts.

To those I say: Big Tent My Ass. I love this country. I served it. I gave blood for it and still bear the scars.

I guess maybe I'm not "progessive" enough for this place afterall?

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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 11:19 PM
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7. I agree
but terms need to be examined

Negative nationalism assumes that the world is a zero-sum game where our gains come at another nation's expense, and theirs come at our's. Positive nationalism assumes that when our people are better off they're more willing and better able to add to the world's well being.

History teaches that one of the two faces of nationalism almost always predominates. A society with a lot of positive nationalism is more likely to be tolerant and open toward the rest of the world because its people have learned the habits of good citizenship and social justice. Dictators and demagogues, on the other hand, flourish where social capital is in short supply. People who feel little responsibility toward one another will turn against minorities in their midst and outsiders across their borders, in return for promises of glory or comforting fictions of superiority.

Negative nationalists prey most directly on people who are losing ground economically and socially. The recent resurgence of negative nationalism in Austria, France, and Switzerland is especially evident among blue-collar manufacturing workers and young men who feel the economic ground shifting from under them. The ugly violence against ethnic Chinese in Indonesia during the currency crisis there was also rooted in economic fears. People whoe livelihoods are at risk find it reassuring to be given specific targets for their frustrations.

A country’s people have only a LIMITED level of control over it’s government
. When electing administrations, they often have to choose the lesser evil.
It is true that a country’s people are partly responsible for what is done by the government they elect,
but one must try to avoid phrases such as “ did ”.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 11:14 PM
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5. Morrissey says it best:
America your head's too big, Because America, Your belly's too big
And I love you, I just wish you'd stay where you is

In America, The land of the free, they said, And of opportunity, In a just and a truthful way
But where the president, Is never black, female or gay, And until that day
You've got nothing to say to me, To help me believe

In America, It brought you the hamburger, Well America you know where, You can shove your hamburger
And don't you wonder, Why in Estonia they say, Hey you, Big fat pig
You fat pig, You fat pig

Steely Blue eyes with no love in them, Scan The World,
And a humourless smile, With no warmth within, Greets the world
And I, I have got nothing, To offer you
No-no-no-no-no
Just this heart deep and true, Which you say you don't need


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auburnblu Donating Member (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 11:14 PM
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6. Just think about JFK's consumption
Edited on Mon Aug-14-06 11:27 PM by auburnblu
5 big houses, private plane. Rock on JFK, preach conservation and use more energy in a week than some third word residents consume in a lifetime.
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