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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:59 PM
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I just received this from a Pub friend. HOW do you deal with THIS????
Are your blinds open?


The other day, my nine year old son wanted to know why we were
at war... My husband looked at our son and then looked at me. My husband and I were
in the Army during the Gulf War and we would be honored to serve and defend
our country again today. I knew that my husband would give him a good explanation.
My husband thought for a few minutes and then told my son to go stand
in our front living room window.

He said, "Son, stand there and tell me what you see?"

"I see trees and cars and our neighbors' houses," he replied.

"OK, now I want you to pretend that our house and our yard is the
United States of America and you are President Bush."

Our son giggled and said, "OK."

"Now, son, I want you to look out the window and pretend that every
house and yard on this block is a different country," my husband said.

"OK Dad, I'm pretending."

"Now I want you to stand there and look out the window and pretend
you see Saddam come out of his house with his wife, he has her by the hair and
is hitting her. You see her bleeding and crying. He hits her in the face,
he throws her on the ground, then he starts to kick her to death. Their
children run out and are afraid to stop him, they are screaming and crying, they
are watching this but do nothing because they are kids and they are afraid
of their father. You see all of this, son.... what do you do?"

"Dad?"

"What do you do, son?"

"I'd call the police, Dad."

"OK. Pretend that the police are the United Nations. They take your
call. They listen to what you know and saw but they refuse to help. What do
you do then, son?"

"Dad....... but the police are supposed to help!" My son starts to
whine.

"They don't want to, son, because they say that it is not their place
or your place to get involved and that you should stay out of it," my
husband says.

"But, Dad... he killed her!!" My son exclaims.

"I know he did... but the police tell you to stay out of it. Now I
want you to look out that window and pretend you see our neighbor who you're
pretending is Saddam turn around and do the same thing to his children."

"Daddy... he kills them?"

"Yes, son, he does. What do you do?"

"Well, if the police don't want to help, I will go and ask my next
door neighbor to help me stop him," our son says.

"Son, our next door neighbor sees what is happening and refuses to
get involved as well. He refuses to open the door and help you stop him,"
my husband says.

"But Dad, I NEED help!!! I can't stop him by myself!!"

"WHAT DO YOU DO, SON?" Our sons starts to cry.

"OK, no one wants to help you, the man across the street saw you ask
for help and saw that no one would help you stop him. He stands taller and
puffs out his chest. Guess what he does next, son?"

"What, Daddy?"

"He walks across the street to the old lady's house and breaks down
her door and drags her out, steals all her stuff and sets her house on fire and
then... he kills her. He turns around and sees you standing in the window and
laughs at you. WHAT DO YOU DO?"

"Daddy...."

"WHAT DO YOU DO?" Our son is crying and he looks down and he
whispers, "I'd close the blinds, Daddy."

My husband looks at our son with tears in his eyes and asks him.
"Why?"

"Because, Daddy... the police are supposed to help people who need
them... and they won't help... You always said neighbors are supposed to HELP
neighbors, but they won't help either... they won't help me stop him...
I'm afraid.... I can't do it by myself, Daddy ...... I can't look out my
window and just watch him do all these terrible things and and do nothing
.... so ..... I'm just going to close the blinds ... so I can't see what
he's doing . And I'm going to pretend that it is not happening."

I start to cry. My husband looks at our nine year old son standing in
the window, looking pitiful and ashamed at his answers to my husband's
questions.
He says....

"Son....."

"Yes, Daddy?"

"Open the blinds, because that man...... he's at your front door...
"WHAT DO YOU DO?"

My son looks at his father, anger and defiance in his eyes. He balls
up his tiny fists and looks his father square in the eyes, and without
hesitation he says, "I DEFEND MY FAMILY DAD!!! I'M NOT GONNA LET HIM HURT MOMMY OR MY
SISTER, DAD!!! I'M GONNA FIGHT HIM, DAD, I'M GONNA FIGHT HIIM!!!!!"

I see a tear roll down my husband's cheek and he grabs our son to his
chest and hugs him tight, and says.... "It's too late to fight him, he's too
strong, and he's already at YOUR front door, son... you should have stopped him
BEFORE he killed his wife, and his children, and the old lady across the way.
You have to do what's right, even if you have to do it alone, before it's
too late," my husband whispers. "THAT scenario I just gave you is WHY we
are at war with Iraq When good men stand by and let evil happen, son, THAT is
the greatest mistake, believing that the atrocities in the world won't
affect them. "YOU MUST NEVER BE AFRAID TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT! EVEN IF YOU HAVE
TO DO IT ALONE! BE PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN! BE PROUD OF OUR TROOPS!! SUPPORT
THEM!!! SUPPORT AMERICA SO THAT IN THE FUTURE OUR CHILDREN WILL NEVER HAVE TO
CLOSE THEIR BLINDS..."
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:02 PM
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1. I'd call it child abuse
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 08:36 PM
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45. I agree. nt
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:02 PM
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2. that's disgusting.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 09:09 PM
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47. Only from a republican would you hear such tripe...
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:02 PM
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3. remove them from your list of friends
they are hopeless, and cannot think for themselves

then again, I saw this in DU a couple of years ago, and somebody posted a very very very well-done alternative version of this. Sending that to your friend, and to every email address that it was forwarded to, might be a good idea as well :)
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Dan Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:09 PM
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18. Ditto
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:15 PM
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23. Smoke Screen Tale:::Insert Republican Party beating up on the Constitution
Taking away our Rights

OverSpending our National Budget

Making Unilateral wars

Counter Productive results over 5 years of time...

Ignoring Global Warming and rising oceans

They Lie Cheat Steal Election time

and now Bush is at your door wanting to Draft your ass...pay higher fuel prices, moving jobs over seas, and asking for your help...
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:03 PM
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4. That thing has whiskers
Tell him to circulating old fairy stories, present you with reality, and THEN you can talk.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:04 PM
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5. I'd delete it with the rest of my e-mail garbage.
And if it was an actual friend who sent it I'd tell him to go to hell.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:04 PM
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6. Tell your idiot friend to grow a brain and welcome him to 2003.
That is old.


Oh, btw, ask him where those WMDs are.

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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:11 PM
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20. You would be quite surprised if you ever had a chance to meet this lady.
She's very intelligent, she's probably the best HS teacher I've ever met. She not only know the subjects she teaches, but she's terrific at dealing with disruptive students. Her husband was a terrific mechanical engineer who died suddenly last year. They were our neighbors for 6 years, and we became very good friends and still stay in touch, even though we moved away in 1992! They really were a terrific family, but they are very strong Republicans.

I'm not going to destroy our friendship over this stupid email, but my question to all of you was, how in the world would you ever change the mindset of someone who believes things like were written in this email?

We never discuss politics except for an occasional cursory quip.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:19 PM
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25. Being a teacher doesn't excuse her complete and utter ignorance re: Iraq
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:25 PM
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28. I doubt you can
Someone that deeply in denial is very hard to reach. With her husband now gone, I'm betting she would cling even tighter to the beliefs they shared.

Very sad.

You're a good friend for not letting this come between you.
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:35 PM
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35. You probably can't with this person since you want to remain friends. If
you didn't care so much or were willing to take a chance you could send an email addressing the BS with facts.

Instead I'd write her a pleasant letter stating that you truly value her friendship and feel that in order to remain friends it would be wise to keep politics out of the friendship.

As the daughter of a retired HS teacher I can't believe a teacher would think this nasty POS was acceptable to send out to folks... but then again I'm always amazed that there are Republican teachers... talk about voting against your own best interests.
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Caretha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:39 PM
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38. If they are such terrific people
Edited on Mon Aug-14-06 07:44 PM by Caretha
that you respect and admire, why would you post this incredible piece of crap that they adhere to on DU, proving that they really are sub-humans with their heads up their ass, and expose your choice of friends to the derision of actual intelligent people on DU?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 08:15 PM
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44. Because I thought someone here might have an diplomatic way for
me to explain to her why that was so wrong, without breaking our friendship.

She is a Baptist, but much different than most I've met. I would probably describe her as a worldly Baptist (if there is such a thing.) Although I am a Catholic, we actually agree on a lot of logic and how many "very strict religious people" simply don't face reality.

Her oldest son graduated from the Citadel in SC, and her youngest son is a student there now. As you probably know, that's a military school. Her oldest son works in a gov't job now, and I'm sure the younger one will upon Graduation too.

I really think her sentiments are based on a long history of being Pubs, and I guess I should just ignore the few political things I get from her and just value the friendship.

Sorry if I upset you for posting this on DU. See, I think of you folks as my friends too, and I've gotten a lot of good advice here on a lot of different subject.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 11:12 PM
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53. The Citadel is a "kinda military school" founded to quell slave rebellions
Graduates of the real service academies roll their eyes at Citadel men. They're not even impressed with the ring.
If she and her family are South Carolinians, I bet that they are longtime republicans stretching all the way back to...oh...1964 or so. I wonder why...
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 11:06 PM
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52. Sounds like she's been driven insane with grief...
with a side order of banality
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 11:19 PM
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55. you might ask if the best way to stop a man from beating his wife...
is to drop a bomb on his kids?

:shrug:

but I don't think you can change her mindset.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:04 PM
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7. Tell them to stop spamming you with old, worn-out bullshit
that's made the rounds of the Internet about a million times already and was bullshit the first time around. (And add that if that scenario ever had happened, someone should have call Child Protective Services on the sadistic pyschopaths.)
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:05 PM
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8. Jayzus- that's some sick shit!
Of course it's made up, but if not the kid would be in the papers by now for killing everyone on his street.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:05 PM
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9. manipulative crap
just like Goebbel's wrote.... it must be from the freeps
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Gatchaman Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:05 PM
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10. That's pretty damn lame
and there's no way in hell this actually happened. Still, I'd be pissed if someone sent this to me.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:06 PM
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11. Tell Them You Could Write A Fake Story Too If You Wanted To But You'd
Edited on Mon Aug-14-06 07:13 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
rather spend your time educating yourself on real issues and how to solve them such as healthcare, safety of our troops, global warming, social security, protecting our borders, equiping our troops, foreign policy, a real strategy for iraq, the economy, global terrorism, domestic terrorism, reducing the monumental deficit, increasing the minimum wage, dealing with the illegal immigration issue and creating jobs for all classes.

But when you're done with that, you'll maybe consider making up some ridiculous fiction to send in an email too.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:07 PM
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12. is it too late for us to stop bush already?
I would reply and ask your friend that. I would tell him that tens of thousands of innocent people have already died in Afghanistan and Iraq. That the disgraces of Fallujah, Abu Ghraib, Abeer's family, and numerous other war crimes our troops have committed with bush's blessings have destroyed America's good name around the world. Ask how he feels about torture? And does he really believe the Geneva conventions are "quaint"?

Ask how we stop the evil that has permeated our own government? So that OUR CHILDREN will be able to live in peace. WITHOUT FEAR.

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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:07 PM
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13. this man is is already at your front (back?) door....
He is the President of the USA. You should have stopped him before
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:54 PM
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41. my pic of the boogeyman behind the blinds
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mwooldri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:07 PM
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14. My answer: Sudan.
Edited on Mon Aug-14-06 07:10 PM by mwooldri
Except in this case the people who called the police is getting an engaged tone at the other end of the line, and even then when they answer they appear to have got through to the wrong department.

Edit: And this is happening at the end of this guys' street.

/Mark.

On further edit: Except again in this case the murders, the rapes, the pillaging and the killing are all real. All happening in Sudan. Without a single involvement of the US of A.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:08 PM
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15. Ask the father if he remembers when he helped Saddam beat
up on the other house across the street there.... ask the father if he knows Saddam is writing romance novels now instead of beating up on people. Ask the father if he remembers giving chemical, biological and conventional weapons to Saddam or sold them to him if he'd rather.

Ask the father if he remembers when Saddam was his buddy, his comrade in arms. Then give him this photo


Have him read this....

http://www.democracynow.org/static/rumsfeldcloset.shtml
August 2, 2002
The Saddam in Rumsfeld's Closet

by Jeremy Scahill, Democracy Now!

"Man and the turtle are very much alike. Neither makes any progress without sticking his neck out." - Donald Rumsfeld

Five years before Saddam Hussein's now infamous 1988 gassing of the Kurds, a key meeting took place in Baghdad that would play a significant role in forging close ties between Saddam Hussein and Washington. It happened at a time when Saddam was first alleged to have used chemical weapons. The meeting in late December 1983 paved the way for an official restoration of relations between Iraq and the US, which had been severed since the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.

With the Iran-Iraq war escalating, President Ronald Reagan dispatched his Middle East envoy, a former secretary of defense, to Baghdad with a hand-written letter to Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and a message that Washington was willing at any moment to resume diplomatic relations.

That envoy was Donald Rumsfeld.

And tell him that if the weapons inspectors had been allowed to finish their task, we might very well be arming Saddam again against the boogeymen Iran, Syria and anyone else who is raising the hair on our backs.
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OregonDem Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:09 PM
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16. Now pretend son that we gave him weapons to beat up his family
Then we didn't say anything about it for twenty years, until he took over the gas station next to his house and then he wouldn't let us have any oil so we had to attack him. You see son it was totally justified.
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:09 PM
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17. I'd be losing that
"friend"!
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:11 PM
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19. You don't deal with it, really.
Except by removing them from your address list and blocking anything further from them. That is just sick and anybody who would circulate it is beyond hope.

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mwooldri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:14 PM
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21. Lots of holes in this story.
Before he knocked out the lady across the street (Kuwait) he picked a fight with the man next door... both of them got pretty much beat up and decided to call it a draw.

Oh, and you can't see Saddam's house because it's about three or four streets away. Would you know about Saddam if you didn't live in his same street? Last time I looked Iraq was about half a world away.

Mark.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:15 PM
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22. So, bully your kid, then instruct him to kill his neighbors preemptively.
"And son, if you killed **all** our neighbors before they did anything to *us*, what a wonderful world this would be!" :patriot:

"Dad?"

"Yes, son?"

"Go to hell, you fascist moron!" :grr:

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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:17 PM
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24.  YOU should go over to your friends house
Edited on Mon Aug-14-06 07:18 PM by IChing
and bomb the crap out it
Break down his front door with your son's head,
destroy his infra-structure by cutting off power to his house
then his water lines,
torture his relatives living there,
take over his business and then
lie about why you came there in the first place



:puke: :nuke: :sarcasm: worst piece of crap I ever read.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:21 PM
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26. Now, son, pretend that the folks in the house behind us are Saudi Arabia.
They, too, are kicking the crap out of their family- so much so that they're rated the second most totalitarian household in the entire town. Their gay son? They just chopped his head off in the front yard, for the whole rest of the kids to see.

Now, you're still President Bush. Go over there and give the dad a big, wet smooch on the lips. Then let him write you a fat fuckin' check.

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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:24 PM
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27. Send him THIS!
Q: Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?

A: Because they had weapons of mass destruction.

Q: But the inspectors didn't find any weapons of mass destruction.

A: That's because the Iraqis were hiding them.

Q: And that's why we invaded Iraq?

A: Yep. Invasions always work better than inspections.

Q: But after we invaded them, we STILL didn't find any weapons of mass destruction, did we?

A: That's because the weapons are so well hidden. Don't worry, we'll find something, probably right before the 2004 election.

Q: Why did Iraq want all those weapons of mass destruction?

A: To use them in a war, silly.

Q: I'm confused. If they had all those weapons that they planned to use in a war, then why didn't they use any of those weapons when we went to war with them?

A: Well, obviously they didn't want anyone to know they had those weapons, so they chose to die by the thousands rather than defend themselves.

Q: That doesn't make sense. Why would they choose to die if they had all those big weapons with which they could have fought back?

A: It's a different culture. It's not supposed to make sense.

Q: I don't know about you, but I don't think they had any of those weapons our government said they did.

A: Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or not they had those weapons. We had another good reason to invade them anyway.

Q: And what was that?

A: Even if Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein was a cruel dictator, which is another good reason to invade another country.

Q: Why? What does a cruel dictator do that makes it OK to invade his country?

A: Well, for one thing, he tortured his own people.

Q: Kind of like what they do in China?

A: Don’t go comparing China to Iraq. China is a good economic competitor, where millions of people work for slave wages in sweatshops to make U.S. corporations richer.

Q: So if a country lets its people be exploited for American corporate gain, it’s a good country, even if that country tortures people?

A: Right.

Q: Why were people in Iraq being tortured?

A: For political crimes, mostly, like criticizing the government. People who criticized the government in Iraq were sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Isn’t that exactly what happens in China?

A: I told you, China is different.

Q: What’s the difference between China and Iraq?

A: Well, for one thing, Iraq was ruled by the Ba’ath party, while China is Communist.

Q: Didn’t you once tell me Communists were bad?

A: No, just Cuban Communists are bad.

Q: How are the Cuban Communists bad?

A: Well, for one thing, people who criticize the government in Cuba are sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Like in Iraq?

A: Exactly.

Q: And like in China, too?

A: I told you, China’s a good economic competitor. Cuba, on the other hand, is not.

Q: How come Cuba isn’t a good economic competitor?

A: Well, you see, back in the early 1960s, our government passed some laws that made it illegal for Americans to trade or do any business with Cuba until they stopped being Communists and started being capitalists like us.

Q: But if we got rid of those laws, opened up trade with Cuba, and started doing business with them, wouldn’t that help the Cubans become capitalists?

A: Don’t be a smart-ass.

Q: I didn’t think I was being one.

A: Well, anyway, they also don’t have freedom of religion in Cuba.

Q: Kind of like China and the Falun Gong movement?

A: I told you, stop saying bad things about China. Anyway, Saddam Hussein came to power through a military coup, so he’s not really a legitimate leader anyway.

Q: What’s a military coup?

A: That’s when a military general takes over the government of a country by force, instead of holding free elections like we do in the United States.

Q: Didn’t the ruler of Pakistan come to power by a military coup?

A: You mean General Pervez Musharraf? Uh, yeah, he did, but Pakistan is our friend.

Q: Why is Pakistan our friend if their leader is illegitimate?

A: I never said Pervez Musharraf was illegitimate.

Q: Didn’t you just say a military general who comes to power by forcibly overthrowing the legitimate government of a nation is an illegitimate leader?

A: Only Saddam Hussein. Pervez Musharraf is our friend, because he helped us invade Afghanistan.

Q: Why did we invade Afghanistan?

A: Because of what they did to us on September 11th.

Q: What did Afghanistan do to us on September 11th?

A: Well, on September 11th, nineteen men – fifteen of them Saudi Arabians – hijacked four airplanes and flew three of them into buildings in New York and Washington, killing 3,000 innocent people.

Q: So how did Afghanistan figure into all that?

A: Afghanistan was where those bad men trained, under the oppressive rule of the Taliban.

Q: Aren’t the Taliban those bad radical Islamics who chopped off people’s heads and hands?

A: Yes, that’s exactly who they were. Not only did they chop off people’s heads and hands, but they oppressed women, too.

Q: Didn’t the Bush administration give the Taliban 43 million dollars back in May of 2001?

A: Yes, but that money was a reward because they did such a good job fighting drugs.

Q: Fighting drugs?

A: Yes, the Taliban were very helpful in stopping people from growing opium poppies.

Q: How did they do such a good job?

A: Simple. If people were caught growing opium poppies, the Taliban would have their hands and heads cut off.

Q: So, when the Taliban cut off people’s heads and hands for growing flowers, that was OK, but not if they cut people’s heads and hands off for other reasons?

A: Yes. It’s OK with us if radical Islamic fundamentalists cut off people’s hands for growing flowers, but it’s cruel if they cut off people’s hands for stealing bread.

Q: Don’t they also cut off people’s hands and heads in Saudi Arabia?

A: That’s different. Afghanistan was ruled by a tyrannical patriarchy that oppressed women and forced them to wear burqas whenever they were in public, with death by stoning as the penalty for women who did not comply.

Q: Don’t Saudi women have to wear burqas in public, too?

A: No, Saudi women merely wear a traditional Islamic body covering.

Q: What’s the difference?

A: The traditional Islamic covering worn by Saudi women is a modest yet fashionable garment that covers all of a woman’s body except for her eyes and fingers. The burqa, on the other hand, is an evil tool of patriarchal oppression that covers all of a woman’s body except for her eyes and fingers.

Q: It sounds like the same thing with a different name.

A: Now, don’t go comparing Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are our friends.

Q: But I thought you said 15 of the 19 hijackers on September 11th were from Saudi Arabia.

A: Yes, but they trained in Afghanistan.

Q: Who trained them?

A: A very bad man named Osama bin Laden.

Q: Was he from Afghanistan?

A: Uh, no, he was from Saudi Arabia too. But he was a bad man, a very bad man.

Q: I seem to recall he was our friend once.

A: Only when we helped him and the mujahadeen repel the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan back in the 1980s.

Q: Who are the Soviets? Was that the Evil Communist Empire Ronald Reagan talked about?

A: There are no more Soviets. The Soviet Union broke up in 1990 or thereabouts, and now they have elections and capitalism like us. We call them Russians now.

Q: So the Soviets – I mean, the Russians – are now our friends?

A: Well, not really. You see, they were our friends for many years after they stopped being Soviets, but then they decided not to support our invasion of Iraq, so we’re mad at them now. We’re also mad at the French and the Germans because they didn’t help us invade Iraq either.

Q: So the French and Germans are evil, too?

A: Not exactly evil, but just bad enough that we had to rename French fries and French toast to Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast.

Q: Do we always rename foods whenever another country doesn’t do what we want them to do?

A: No, we just do that to our friends. Our enemies, we invade.

Q: But wasn’t Iraq one of our friends back in the 1980s?

A: Well, yeah. For a while.

Q: Was Saddam Hussein ruler of Iraq back then?

A: Yes, but at the time he was fighting against Iran, which made him our friend, temporarily.

Q: Why did that make him our friend?

A: Because at that time, Iran was our enemy.

Q: Isn’t that when he gassed the Kurds?

A: Yeah, but since he was fighting against Iran at the time, we looked the other way, to show him we were his friend.

Q: So anyone who fights against one of our enemies automatically becomes our friend?

A: Most of the time, yes.

Q: And anyone who fights against one of our friends is automatically an enemy?

A: Sometimes that’s true, too. However, if American corporations can profit by selling weapons to both sides at the same time, all the better.

Q: Why?

A: Because war is good for the economy, which means war is good for America. Also, since God is on America’s side, anyone who opposes war is a godless unAmerican Communist. Do you understand now why we attacked Iraq?

Q: I think so. We attacked them because God wanted us to, right?

A: Yes.

Q: But how did we know God wanted us to attack Iraq?

A: Well, you see, God personally speaks to George W. Bush and tells him what to do.

Q: So basically, what you’re saying is that we attacked Iraq because George W. Bush hears voices in his head?

A. Yes! You finally understand how the world works. Now close your eyes, make yourself comfortable, and go to sleep. Good night.

Q: Good night, Daddy.

http://www.geocities.com/anarchiebunker/foreignpolicy.htm
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:43 PM
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40. Cool...I haven't seen this in a long time. Thanks for posting it. B-) n/t
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Gypsy Down Under Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 08:03 PM
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42. Just beautiful
:D I could not have put it better
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:25 PM
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29. Tell him that that kind of shit happens in China everyday.
However, since walmart & every other corporation exploits their cheap labor, you will never here a word about it from our great government.
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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:26 PM
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30. Oh, i've heard that one before
a bunch of bullhonkey. I saw a good responce to it one time, though I can't remember it. I thought that circulated like 3 years ago or something. Check snopes, see if it's on there.

Happy Debunking! :D
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:26 PM
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31. What a load of horseshit
I hate those quasi-sentimental phony-patriotic piles of propaganda they send out incessantly.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:28 PM
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32. That is the most pathetic crap I have ever read.
Those lackeys will say anything to put that spoiled Bush heir on a pedestal.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:31 PM
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33. Don't even read it!!! SPAM the living shit outta them with photos of
horribly burned, and limbless children from Iraq, etc.

You might include a note that says: "Only Satanists who HATE JESUS CHRIST spread pro-war propaganda!"


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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:36 PM
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36. I concur. great advice!
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Boomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:32 PM
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34. I got this from a relative
My fundie, red-neck Texas niece sent me this garbage, too. I've asked to be taken off her email list, but I haven't broken all contact. She's one of my only remaining relatives in this country, and in person she's a really kind, compassionate woman.

Unfortunately, she's pig-ignorant about politics, extremely limited in both formal education and in life experience outside a small poor Texas community. She just doesn't get it.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:39 PM
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37. That is so fucked up on so many levels
its hard to find a place to begin.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:41 PM
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39. OK,. Accept the whole scenario.
Edited on Mon Aug-14-06 07:44 PM by Jim__
How do we help the wife and children? If we go charging across the street, chances are that the wife will be killed before we get there, the children, seeing us attack their father, will probably come to their father's aid and in order to avoid being killed by them, we will have to kill them. So, how does our charging across the street and attacking the father aid the family? Did we have a better option that charging across the street and attacking?

Years ago when China was attacking Tibet, William Buckley had the Dalai Lama on his Firing Line show. Buckley thought the US should go to war against China and he was trying to get the Dalai Lama to agree with him. The Dalai Lama said something to the effect that if the US could help his countrymen, that would be great. But, the real effect of the US interfering in Tibet would be an even bloodier war with more Tibetans killed and more devastation brought to Tibet.

War may sometimes be necessary. But, before interfering in another country's internal problems by attacking that country, you better be damn sure that what you are going to do will be of help.

Is Iraq better off today because we attacked? Ask your friend that.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 08:06 PM
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43. old as the hills.
eh. we deal in facts, they have to make shit up to make their point.
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 08:37 PM
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46. Just tell him he is a fuck*ng idiot.
n/t
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 09:18 PM
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48. respond that you have now replaced Saddam
Not only did you get rid of Saddam, but now you are in that house beating the crap out of the wife and doing exactly the same things Saddam supposedly did.

Also, if his analogy is correct, Saddams house was 10 blocks away and you couldnt see what was going on, you only heard rumors at the Grocery store.
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 10:19 PM
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49. It could be bullshit, if not, I'd say that "your friend" is a dumb lunatic
There are just far too many things that you could say to disprove this insidious story.

I am sure you know them all. If your friend is serious. Either take the time to compose a response refuting the idiocy of this story or just drop them as friends.

You know which choice is best for you.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 10:23 PM
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50. You say something like this:
"Don't send me any more of this kind of bullshit."

Simple, isn't it?
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 10:58 PM
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51. Daddy, why do we kill people in Iraq?....
Edited on Mon Aug-14-06 11:18 PM by unkachuck
Son, look out our window and let's pretend every house is a different country. And every house has a tree. One has an apple tree, one has a cherry tree, another has a pear tree, one has an oak and so forth....

....but we don't have a tree, Son, and let's pretend that we're very, very hungry. We ask our neighbors if they will give us some of their fruit. They say no. We offer to give them money but they still refuse to give us some fruit....

....we call the police and tell them that we are very, very hungry and our neighbors won't give us any fruit. The police say, 'Sorry, we can't do anything about that'....

....now Son, that makes us very angry and we're getting even more hungry....so, what do you do Son, now that your father, mother, brother and sister are nearly dead from hunger?

'Call the police, again?'

....they won't come, they won't help....

'maybe ask Mr. Jones, your best friend next door?'

....no Son, he doesn't have any fruit trees....

....quickly Son, what are you going to do before we all starve to death?....

'Steal the apples, pears, cherries and bring them home to eat?'

....Atta boy Son, that's right, we steal the fruit....taking what's not ours is ok if we really, really need it and God says it's ok....and that's why we kill people and fight in Iraq, Son....to steal what we really, really, need....

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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 11:13 PM
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54. I cannot express....
what deep sadness I felt after reading this. I am telling you.......I am speechless. Yes, to me, it is child abuse, brainwashing. s c a r y !
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 11:26 PM
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56. Of course you will kill the guy, rape his wife, torture and kill
Edited on Mon Aug-14-06 11:27 PM by alfredo
his kids, steal his treasures, turn his relatives against each other, turn his estate over to thieves, and destroy the rest.
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:36 AM
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57. Repukes eat this stuff up. I guess the left version would be
something like this. Son. Go stand by the window. Look out. There are thousands of baby body parts floating by in a river of blood. These are the dead babies of Bush's War.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 07:44 AM
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58. Send the sorry-ass who sent you that the pic of Rummy and Saddam
shaking hands when we were selling him all his weapons & chemical plants.
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