Nuclear war starting in 10 days?

[lovuian]

http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/conflicts/83898-0/


Such was the conclusion reached in the U.S. Russian generals and political scientists disagree only about its exact starting date.

Our world is on the brink of another world war. It will originate August 22nd in the Middle East. The prediction was presented not by Vagna or Nostradamus but by an American political scientist Bernard Lewis in the acclaimed publication of Wall Street Journal. He is a man with close ties to the Bush administration as well as to the non-conservatives pushing for the radical solution of the “Iranian Threat.”





Lewis believes it will be precisely Teheran who will unleash the ultimate conflict by attacking Israel. Why August 22nd? Perhaps simply because Washington has set a deadline for the Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and has demanded a complete wrap up of the nuclear program by that day. It is obvious that Teheran has no intention to comply. Curiously, this year the night of August 22nd happens to be night Muslims will celebrate the journey of their prophet Mohammed to Jerusalem and his ascension into heaven. According to Lewis the followers of Mohammed have a perfect opportunity to enrich their celebration by throwing an attack on Israel. An immediate retaliation will follow.

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even the Russians think this is crazy??? :nuke:
and actually its 8 days... hopefully NOT!!!

[Selatius]

1. A grain of salt will go a long way

Ahmadinejad is a lot of things, but I don't believe suicidal is one of them. Iran is perfectly fine where it sits as long as no one tries to molest the country. Ahmadinejad and the ruling regime like to scapegoat Israel to take the attention off the fact that they've crushed the democratic aspirations of the people they rule over.

[evox]

2. I agree. n/t

[lovuian]

3. I hope your right

I'm just not sure of Bush...

[Selatius]

6. It's not Bush per se but elements inside his administration I worry most

It's the element that wants war for whatever reason that I fear most. They are the ideologically blind, or they simply want war because it benefits their profit margins. If they can trick the generals onto getting onboard with the idea, they will have what they want.

[evox]

7. I agree .. n/t

[TomInTib]

4. I believe that Iran has flipped the concept of MAD

back into our court.

Not that they could harm us directly, but indirectly.

Check...

[Selatius]

12. Iran has Russia and China backing them up; that's the big thing

If you fight Iran, you may as well fight all three. They've both invested billions of dollars into those oil fields in Iran, and they will not let the US destroy their investments without a fight. China will likely begin divesting from US dollars and moving to Euros or a basket of currencies to hurt the US, and Russia could very easily ship weapons and supplies to the Iranians in a similar fashion that we armed the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation.

If Bush does it, he will change the course of world history, and we will be on the losing side of history.

[Peace Patriot]

21. We and the Israelis are the ones who "crushed the democratic...

aspirations of the (Iranian) people." We destroyed their democracy in 1954, and installed the horrible Shah of Iran, who inflicted them with 25 years of torture and oppression. WE are the ones who drive them into the arms of the mullahs--for protection against US. They could have been the most progressive Islamic society among the countries bordering Israel. We destroyed it. Then we set Saddam Hussein upon them, and supplied him with the bio/chem weapons to use against Iranians. Their only refuge has been in Islamic fundamentalism, in a "tried and true" belief system, and in the community and unity that it engenders--and also in the insular qualities of it, which protects them from CIA/Mossad infiltration and further disruption. In other words, they CANNOT AFFORD democracy and an open society--or they think they can't (their reasoning and their fears are understandable). And it's all OUR doing. It is one of the greatest tragedies of the Middle East.

I hope and pray that Israel will reverse course, break from the Bush Cartel (which is no friend of Israel--they will abandon Israel in a cold minute, if they see profit in it), and initiate a detente with Iran. What I dream of is Israel apologizing to the Iranian people for helping to destroy their democracy, and initiating a creative, visionary proposal for cooperation on REGIONAL self-determination and cultural renaissance, to include evicting the Bush Cartel from the Middle East (--a more treacherous cabal there never was!). Trade justice for the Palestinians for regional security guarantees and a new beginning. A cooperative effort to calm Iraq down and establish a truly legitimate and stable government there is something else that needs to be undertaken. Detente between Israel and Iran could bring it about. Israel needs to look to the common good of ALL Middle Eastern peoples. It has for too long been an isolated fortress. And it currently has no friends but the despised Bush junta. That is UNTENABLE.

John Lennon said to "imagine." That's what I'm doing. Trying to imagine how peace could be achieved. It'll never happen with war profiteers running things. And the Bush junta are the worst war profiteers of all.

[enigma000]

40. What did Israel have to do with the overthrow of the Iranian

government in 1953?

[longship]

5. I highly doubt this.

Sounds like just people screeching on stuff about which they know nothing.
In other words, just another case of people's wild speculations being inflated to memeic proportions.

[evox]

8. I think that

the whole August 22 thing is bullshit, because in life you can only predict and be sure about two things:

1- One day you will die
2- Until the day you die, you will be paying your taxes


UNLESS ofcourse you're in the Bush administration, then you might also know of when terror plots will be taking place, etc...

[CoffeeCat]

9. Who knows...but it's worth examining...

Here's an Aug 7, 2006 article about Iran saying that it will "reply by August 22 to a big power offer of incentives to stop making nuclear fuel." (August 22 is a significant day in the Islamic religion.) Is it coincidence that Iran's deadline coincides with a significant, religious day in the Islamic religion? Again...it's worth examining.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060807/ts_nm/nuclear_iran_package_dc_2

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For more info on Aug 22, Iran's recent references to this date, and other information, here's a link to an article:
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51445

"A top expert on the Mideast says it is possible Iran could pick Aug. 22, the anniversary of one of Islam's holiest events, for a cataclysm Shiite Muslims believe will forever resolve the battle between "good" and "evil."

Princeton's Bernard Lewis has written an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal advising that the rest of the world would be wise to bear in mind that for those who believe the end of the world is imminent and good, there is no deterrent even to nuclear warfare.

As WorldNetDaily has reported, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has urged his people to prepare for the coming of an Islamic "messiah," raising concerns a nuclear-armed Islamic Republic could trigger the kind of global conflagration he envisions will set the stage for the end of the world.

(snip)

Lewis noted that Ahmadinejad has referred to Aug. 22 several times, including when he rejected – until that date – United Nations requests for nuclear program information.

(more at link above)

[nealmhughes]

11. But the Islamic calendar does not have an August, it is lunar, like

the Hebrew calendar...and the day begins at sunset...so what would that be Chicago time, August 22nd, if there was such a thing by the Islamic calendar?

All sarcasm aside, if Bush wanted to go nuclear, I think he might have a sudden bout of that Mystery Flu that used to happen so often in Moscow in days gone by.

[KoKo]

36. The Armageddonists are pushing this all over the place. MSNBC did

whole feature on August 22 being the day Iran would fulfill the prophesy of the Apocalypse.

Last week MSNBC had Rev. Hagee and Bill Graham pumping the same thing. It's just another fear tactic to get people worked into a frenzy. Whipping Bushies fundies up to try to either cover for an incident that the US provokes or to try to push another country into provoking an incident on that day.

We don't have any real news anymore. It's all manufactured.

[Peace Patriot]

17. Is it true that Muslims have an Armageddon projection like our nutcase

Christians do? I never heard that before.

[CoffeeCat]

18. I heard this on a few radio programs...

...this week.

I've been kinda Googling around, and it looks like the Muslims have a similar doomsday scenario too.

Here's an excerpt about it, from the article I posted earlier:

"Lewis noted that Ahmadinejad has referred to Aug. 22 several times, including when he rejected – until that date – United Nations requests for nuclear program information.

Lewis, joining several other Mideast experts who have expressed similar concerns, said Aug. 22 corresponds to the 27th day of the month of Rajab of the year 1427.

"This, by tradition, is the night when many Muslims commemorate the night flight of the prophet Muhammad on the winged horse Buraq, first to 'the farthest mosque,' usually identified with Jerusalem, and then to heaven and back," Lewis wrote.

In Islam, as in other religious, certain beliefs describe the "cosmic struggle" at the end of time. For Shiite Muslims, Lewis wrote, this will be "the long awaited return of the Hidden Imam, ending in the final victory of the forces of good over evil."

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51445

[Peace Patriot]

23. WorldNetDaily? Isn't that a rightwing rag? First I've heard of this

information, so I'm wondering if it's true.

But I must say I'm beginning to be anti-religion. I'd thought they had all grown up. But now we see the most fanatical elements in these three Father God religions lining up to destroy each other--and all of the rest of us, and all life on earth. (Read Carl Sagan's "The Cold and the Dark" about the impacts to our planet's atmosphere of even a limited nuclear exchange.)

HOWEVER, a lot of this is posturing and manipulation--powermongering, usng peoples' lowest tribal instincts to write phony narratives that mask greed and dominaton schemes. The leaders are all playing upon FEARS--including those of us rational folks (most of us, I think). It's important to stay level-headed. If there is a way out of control by war profiteers, it will only be found by keeping our heads screwed on straight. I really mean that! Nothing to be gained by letting the hysteria of the few--or sensationalist writing to sell advertising or serve rightwing agendas--get to us. The war profiteers are stealing us blind. Now THAT is fact. And they're such bloody materialists, I can't imagine they don't want a world in which to lord it over us in.

[Xenotime]

46. I find that hard to believe too..

Muslims can't be that radical.

[Rainscents]

10. I remembered reading somewhere... Aug 22.

I'm sure, fundies are all getting ready for the rapture.

[CoffeeCat]

13. I am skeptical too...

...but I think it's curious that Iran set a deadline of Aug 22 to respond to the world regarding it's nuclear program.

That date has religious significance for Muslims.

It could mean nothing. Who knows.

I worry about our government staging something. Glenn Beck has been touting this Aug 22nd thing...catalyzing fear. Then, we have the Bush Administration completely freaking out and publicizing the "disappearance of many Egyptians." This has been touted repeatedly in the media, and I think we all need to ask why.

At any given moment in this country, there are tens of thousands of "missing immigrants" who have expired visas or other issues. These people are from all over the world--including the Middle East. Why is our government making such a major deal over these missing Egyptians?

[Rainscents]

16. Hmmm, that is very interesting.

I'm flying back home on 23rd from my daughter's wedding. I hope, nothing does happen on 22nd.

[CoffeeCat]

19. My husband is traveling on the 23rd too...

He is flying for work. And he never flies.

I hope nothing happens either.

[elehhhhna]

31. I eviently WON'T be flting the 25th after all...

as I guess I'll be in Hell at the DU booth, with all y'all.

[xchrom]

32. i'm gonna bring some sylvester, phyllis hymen,

my fav thelma houston ''please don't leave me this way'' --

and tell satan to turn the heat up and get this party started!!!!

[elehhhhna]

41. Deal! Here's me in hell at yo' party, in smilies, in order:

:toast:


:smoke:


:woohoo:


:puke:

[bluestateguy]

14. I guarantee you August 22 will come and go and nothing will happen

If you'll allow me a little room for error, this is what will be going on August 22:

* Cindy Sheehan will still be in Crawford.

* Some part of the country will be baking in record setting heat, while conservatives continue to deny the existence of global warming.

* Congress will do what it always does in August--nothing.

* Network TV will be flooded with bad summer reality TV shows and reruns of Law and Order.

* The Iraq war will continue.

* O.J. Simpson will continue his search for the real killers.

[evox]

15. I second that . n/t

[GreenTea]

20. Without a doubt!

[mike_c]

22. with what nuclear weapon...?

Unless the Iranians have bought one or several-- and who would use ONE against a nation like Israel?-- this is just hot air, and if they HAVE bought weapons, then the "deadline" isn't very meaningful anyway. On their own development program, Iran is years away from nuclear weapons, even if that is their objective.

[Selatius]

24. If anybody is using nukes, the US would be the culprit

And it would probably come in the form of a nuclear-tipped bunker buster if things ever got that far.

[soup]

29. Insomnia delirium

Your post made me laugh.

Solution for the game of Clue, August 22nd edition:

The U.S. did it - with a bunker-buster - in the study.

We sure live in 'interesting times', don't we?

[Jeroen]

25. http://www.ahmadinejad.ir/ - his blog

A long read which he ends with:

I will continue this topic later on as it took long in the beginning. From now onwards, I will try to make it shorter and simpler.
With hope in God, I intend to wholeheartedly complete my talk in future with allotted fifteen minutes.

[garybeck]

26. Nostradamus said the future is NEVER set in stone

he said the will of the people can prevent all of his predictions.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

27. It's a good story to have out so

The Bush regime can nuke Israel and blame it on Iran.

[rooboy]

28. There is no way Bush will authorize a nuclear war...

until he's shed that last 5 pounds of body fat.

[annabanana]

30. I am sure that Lewis and his neocon fellows

are doing everything in their power to see that this happens. And the "rapture-ready" crowd.. are they giving their stuff away yet?

[GeorgeGist]

33. even the Russians think this is crazy???

:wtf:

[The Stranger]

34. Why are the traitorous Neocons launching the U.S. into endless wars?

[SmokingJacket]

35. I'm not convinced Teheran would essentially destroy itself like that.

Then again, stranger things have happened.

Wait and see, once again.

[earth mom]

37. Is this the real reason why Jenna Bush went to live in South America?

:nuke:

[shadowknows69]

42. It worked as a hididng place for the other Nazis for so long

maybe that's where all the new bunkers have been built.

[boolean]

38. ENOUGH with this fear mongering BULLSHIT

How can you tell an election is near?

When the conservatives start talking about world war 3 and terrorism and imaginary threats.

[Beelzebud]

39. pravda.... 'nuff said...

I trust that as much as National Enquirer, or the World Daily News.

[Imagevision]

43. Israel has 300+ nukes, they'll do Iran as Bush watches on tv

[Catrionn]

44. If Bush believes it,

....we're screwed.

[shadowknows69]

45. Anyone care to designate a DU meeting place if it does happen?

Because I figure that would be a good time to band together for mutual survival. Just sayin.