The Apparent Re-birth of PNAC (They are back along with many Dems)

[Robbien]

I am not surprised to see right wing thinkers attacking the win of Ned Lamont as the Democratic cadidate for Senator from Conn, after all he took the radical rights best friend off the ballot, Senator "Sweet Lips" Lieberman.

What I was shocked to see was who wrote the article and the organization for which he works, a non-partisan think tank supposedly for "fighting terrorism and promoting freedom through, research, communications, education and investigative journalism". It sounds nice, but when you look atthe list of members, it looks like a new home for PNAC, you all remember the group who brought us the war in Iraq, Richard Perle, William Kristol, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney et al.

The membership list some of the names shock me: Senator Schumer you have some explaining to do Sir. I can understand old "Zig Zag" Zell Miller being part of this crowd of lunatics, but you how can you associate your name with the hit piece that Andrew McCarthy wrote on August 11, 2006 located here on the FDD website with your name as a member? www.defenddemocracy. http://www.defenddemocracy.org/in_the_media/in_the_media_show.htm?doc_id=390282&attrib_id=7378

To quote a few lines

"We are reading only about 24 arrests today. If we were already in the heralded antiwar world of Ned Lamont and the war-against-the-war crowd, it could be much different. We could just as easily be reading about ten jumbo jets exploded out of the sky. Or 3,000 murdered innocents -- mostly American and British citizens.

more:
http://www.politicalcortex.com/story/2006/8/11/131533/386

To give you a sampling of the names on the Defend Democracy list of members

Distinguished Advisors

Judge Louis J. Freeh
Fmr. Director of the FBI
Sen. Joseph Lieberman
(D-CT)
U.S. Senate

Newt Gingrich
Fmr. Speaker of the House
R. James Woolsey
Fmr. Director of the CIA

Board of Advisors

Gary Bauer
President
American Values
Charles Jacobs
President
American Anti-Slavery Group

Donna Brazile
Campaign Manager
Gore 2000
Charles Krauthammer
Syndicated Columnist

Rep. Eric Cantor
Chairman (R-VA)
Task Force on Terrorism
Bill Kristol
Editor
Weekly Standard

Rep. Eliot Engel
(D-NY)
U.S. House of Representatives

and many more. . .

[Joanne98]

1. Good ole Donna Brazile! You can always count on her.....

to aid the enemy.

[MH1]

31. Yep.

Why DO Dems continue to hire her?

[Tom Joad]

39. People Gore chose to lead his campaign. Gore chose to pick Lieberman.

But people blame Nader for Gore's loss.
It had nothing to do with Gore's poor choices. It had nothing to do with Gore. It had nothing to do with people choosing not to vote because Gore presented hardly a real alternative, and seemed like the bad politics as usual. It had nothing to do with people choosing to vote for Bush in the mistaken belief that he would at least be a change.

No. Blame the only candidate who reject the neocons, and daring to permit people to vote for that.

Sorry to bring that up, but why don't see that this militaristic, neocon philosophy, that may bring the end of the earth (or something close to that), is not just a Republican problem, but also a Democratic party problem too, even beyond Lieberman.

[peacebird]

2. theProject for a New American Century has been doing so very well thus far

now has it?

:sarcasm:

[Roland99]

15. So is their demon spawn: WINEP

[kaygore]

3. Does this REALLY surprise you? Power and greed know no party lines!

The Democratic leadership rolled over and has been playing dead for years. That's why there has been no challenge from the leadership to the stolen elections, the election fraud, the long lines in Democratic precincts in many states, etc.

[Cleita]

4. Clothing the old wolves in new sheep's clothing is a saying

that comes to mind to me. Don't forget that the so-called Democrats who are enabling the criminal PNACers are all part of the DLC or Republican Lite wing of our party.

[UTUSN]

5. When did they die to be re-born? n/t

[speedoo]

6. Something you have to keep in mind re. Schumer:

He's Jewish and a huge part of his constituency is Jewish, as is Loserman.

Schumer has been really pissing me off lately, but he's no Loserman and I would not give up on him yet. It is very premature to throw him in with the PNAC crowd.

As for Brazile... I wrote her off a long time ago. Subtract her and Loserman (both friends of KKKRove, by the way) from the Gore 2000 campaign and * would never have become pResident.

[Karenca]

21. Damn, I'm jewish too

I'm very unhappy with
many of them lately.

(Hope I don't get deleted.)

[AntiFascist]

32. Hi KarenCA!

I hate to sound sectarian, but we need more people like you to speak up. It would be hard to label us anti-Semitic when there are so many Jews who support the anti-war point of view.

[Karenca]

35. Hi you too!

My best friend is falling for all
the neocon lies pertaining to Israel.

It's difficult discussing Israel/Lebanon/Palestine with her.
She's totally liberal, except when it pertains to Israel.

Not a religious jew, in fact she's an atheist, but
born to jewish parents.

I do believe she thinks I'm a "self-hating-jew"
due to the fact that I don't support Israel's actions.


:shrug:

[AntiFascist]

38. I'm sorry to hear about your friend....

I've had several close Jewish friends and work associates when I lived in LA several years ago and I don't even recall Israel ever being brought up as an issue. Ever since Bush took office it seems like many cultural issues are working to pull people apart lately.

[WiseButAngrySara]

37. Yep! Schumer, and even Feingold on certain issues... I would be able

to tolerate Israel a lot more if we at least had some objectivity in journalism. But NO WAY! I will never again listen to Wolf Blitzkrieg on the subject of ANYTHING after finding out that he was an AIPAC lobbyist and is so Pro-Israel that he should ethically remove himself from ANY discussions pertaining to any war that benefits Israel.

[napi21]

7. I didn''t find the list you have, but I did find this under Frequent quest

Who are some of the figures involved with FDD?

FDD's board members and advisors range across the political spectrum. Our founding members and distinguished advisors are Steve Forbes, Jack Kemp, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Frank Lautenberg, Newt Gingrich and James Woolsey. Our advisors include members of Congress from both parties, as well as leading political figures from opposite sides of the political spectrum such as Gary Bauer and Donna Brazile. This diverse group is united in recognizing the dangers facing the United States and the importance of defending the core values of political and religious freedom, so that we can go on disagreeing the way people in democratic societies do – peacefully.

Who funds FDD?

FDD is funded by a diverse group of individual philanthropists and foundations. FDD has also received government grants from the U.S. State Department and US-AID.


This is bizarre! I'm going to continue to check their site for other nuggets that might be there.

[Robbien]

18. Don't you love that our tax dollars are paying for the attack on Lamont?

Not only does Progressives get attacked, we are paying them to attack us.

Bah!

The link to the list of names is the one listed for the article, go to the bottom

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/in_the_media/in_the_media_show.htm?doc_id=390282&attrib_id=7378

[rubberducky]

8. So, who do we believe about anything??

Oy! Vey!!!! Gives me a head ache! I was so much happier when my head was stuck in the sand!

[Greeby]

9. Engel has a challenger this September

http://www.jessicaflaggforcongress.com/

Looks pretty progressive to me :bounce:

[leftchick]

10. Robbien that first link is funky

and does not work for me. Can you fix it? :)

[Robbien]

13. Sorry, I didn't notice. Link has been edited

Thanks.

the link again
http://www.defenddemocracy.org/in_the_media/in_the_media_show.htm?doc_id=390282&attrib_id=7378

[leftchick]

22. thank you!

excellent post that certainly pulls back the curtain on the players.

:hi:

[Spider Jerusalem]

11. Well, you know...

the fact that there were arrests, and that an incipient terrorist plot was apparently foiled by police and domestic security services, MIGHT just indicate that terrorism is best handled as a matter for the police and the judiciary, and not the military. After all, how successful have military tactics been in controlling acts of terrorism in Iraq?

[leftchick]

16. hey stop it!

You have made way too much sense! :)

[Sinti]

26. How insightful - say that too loud and you can expect a visit from DHS n/t

[Karenca]

12. OMG! Look at what they wrote about Lamont--An ANTIWAR LEFT OPPORTUNIST!

Connecticut? This is London Calling

By Andrew C. McCarthy
National Review Online
August 11, 2006

We are reading only about 24 arrests today. If we were already in the heralded antiwar world of Ned Lamont and the war-against-the-war crowd, it could be much different. We could just as easily be reading about ten jumbo jets exploded out of the sky. Or 3,000 murdered innocents — mostly American and British citizens.
Reality has once again inconveniently burst the antiwar, anti-security, anti-American balloon, just as the November victory ballrooms were being booked.

Just as central casting was whipping the articles of impeachment into shape. The high crimes and misdemeanors of George W. Bush include: hunting down terrorists, detaining them, interrogating them, penetrating their communications, and following their money.

These damn jihadists just won't cooperate. Can't they read the polls?

As British authorities continue trying to round up around 50 — fifty! — mostly homegrown Muslim militants who were attempting to execute over the Atlantic the very plan master terrorists Ramzi Yousef and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed nearly pulled off over the Pacific a dozen years ago, it's worth reminding the triumphalist antiwar Left of an important point.

As much as they sometimes seem to have in common with jihadists when they speak about America, its government, its military, and its president, the two are drastically different in one crucial particular.

The antiwar Left wants to wield American power. The jihadists want to destroy it … and us. All of us.

The antiwar Left has a conveniently flexible moral compass. Consequently, the Clinton era Echelon program was fine, but Bush's NSA Terrorist Surveillance Program is an impeachable offense.

Mishandling classified information by a Clinton CIA director was worthy of a pardon, and destroying classified information (and lying to investigators about it) by a former Clinton national-security adviser was worthy of a pass, but leaking the unremarkable fact that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA is the crime of the century.

Bombing Kosovo without U.N. approval was a moral imperative; invading Iraq after over a dozen U.N. resolutions is a violation of international law.

Renditions conducted between 1994 and 2000 were just good national-security sense; renditions conducted between 2001 and 2006 are war crimes.

Indicting Osama bin Laden in 1998 and then doing nothing to capture him while he bombed two American embassies and an American naval destroyer, killing hundreds, was aggressive yet intelligently modulated counterterrorism; allowing Osama bin Laden to evade capture in Tora Bora while killing and capturing hundreds of his operatives and decimating his hierarchy is irresponsibly incompetent.

Wet fingers firmly in the wind, the Left looks you in the eye and tells you that what is depends on what the definition of “is” is, then votes for it before voting against it. The object of the game is power, and they are willing to gamble, even with our lives, to get it or keep it.

Jihadists are very different. When it comes to our national security, they're not partisan politicizers. They wanted to kill us when Reagan was in charge, when Clinton was in charge, now that Bush is in charge, and tomorrow no matter who is in charge. They want to kill us where Tony Blair is in charge, where Ehud Olmert is in charge, and — no matter how he contorts himself — even where Jacques Chirac is in charge.

They are not foul-weather fiends. Iraq, Lebanon, Israel, Shebaa Farms, Gitmo, flushed Korans, Salman Rushdie, the Crusades, etc., etc., etc…. These are not causes. They are excuses.

Jihadists believe passionately — many of them passionately enough to die for it — that they are commanded by their religion to kill us. They won't be reasoned, cajoled, moderated, Westernized, modernized or democratized out of their views.

They have to be defeated. They have to be defeated in Iraq — whether or not one agrees that we should have gone there in the first place, and whatever one thinks of how competently the post-Saddam occupation has been managed. They still have to be defeated in Afghanistan. They have to be defeated in Lebanon — and ultimately Iran. They have to be stopped in Sudan. They can't be allowed to set up new command-and-control beachheads in Pakistan, Somalia, and elsewhere. They have to be monitored throughout the West — including in our own country — because the operatives here are the ones who pose the greatest threat to our safety.

This is a daunting task. It's a job for adults and patriots, not opportunists and power-mongers.

On Tuesday, Democrats in Connecticut showed the door to Senator Joe Lieberman, a patriotic adult who happens to be a liberal, and ushered in an antiwar Left opportunist who, until about five minutes ago, was a Lieberman supporter.

On Wednesday, al Qaeda reminded us that it will gladly kill opportunists of any political stripe.

The Democrats need to hold on to their patriots. The nation needs to hold on to the Democrats' patriots.

This is going to be a very long haul.

— Andrew C. McCarthy is a senior fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/in_the_media/in_the_media_show.htm?doc_id=390282&attrib_id=7378

[Roland99]

14. There are so many logical fallacies and false analogies it's insane.

[Karenca]

19. This could be very bad......

I'm getting a terrible sinking feeling about the
next elections........:scared:

[leftchick]

17. Given Donna Brazille's Bias Against Lamont

what the fuck is she doing on TV day after day REPRESENTING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY???

:argh:

[napi21]

28. It's strange that when she was on the day after the Ct. election,

she SAID she was supporting the Dem winner of the Primary! What's the deal with her? Says one thing on TV and another on this site?????

I have to say, I havn't really thought much of Donna for a long time! Gore should have had a much better rep than her back in 2000!

[Karenca]

20. Recommended for Greatest. eom

[JohMunich99]

23. Obama was a member of the DLC until someone pointed it out to him.

Someone from the press should call some of the Dems for comment. It would be interesting to hear their responses if nothing else. I wouldn't be surprised if this organization doesn't really have the backing of some of the Dems they are claiming. People put other people's names on organization member lists all the time. It's possible that all of the Dems are proud members, but even you could call their district offices to double check if they belong to the group. As I said in the subject line, Obama was listed as a DLC member until someone pointed it out to him. Obama was like "Uh, thanks but no thanks".

[Protagoras]

24. wow the board of directors is a hoot

Steve Forbes, Jack Kemp, and Jean Kirkpatrick.

And they have the giant brass balls to put up a web site because the Sheeple won't actually read it and scream OMGNFW!

Like their PNAC ancestors they've learned to hide in plain sight.

[IChing]

25. What's wrong with Gary Bauer he is on the list that surprises me?

Not

...nominated vote #5

[gully]

27. Can you show me where they endorse restructuring the Middleeast?

About the Foundation - What We Stand For

Those affiliated with FDD come from many backgrounds and political perspectives, but all believe:

• Terrorism—intentional violence directed against non-combatants to achieve a political objective—is always wrong and should never be condoned.

• Democratic societies have a right to defend themselves against terrorism and an obligation to defend one another.

• No one should be denied basic human rights—including minority rights, women's rights and the freedom to worship.

The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies is dedicated to winning the war of ideas through communicating, influencing, empowering and educating.

[KoKo]

29. Steve Forbes, Jack Kemp, Bill Kristol, Frank Gaffney, Richard Perle ,

JD Hayworth,Victoria Toensing, Mark Foley ...etc...etc. :scared:

Biographies


Board of Directors


Steve Forbes
Board Member
CEO Forbes Magazine
Dr. Jeane J. Kirkpatrick
Board Member
Fmr. Ambassador to the UN

Jack Kemp
Chairman Emeritus
Fmr. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development


Distinguished Advisors


Judge Louis J. Freeh
Fmr. Director of the FBI
Sen. Joseph Lieberman
(D-CT)
U.S. Senate

Newt Gingrich
Fmr. Speaker of the House
R. James Woolsey
Fmr. Director of the CIA

Board of Advisors


Gary Bauer
President
American Values
Charles Jacobs
President
American Anti-Slavery Group

Donna Brazile
Campaign Manager
Gore 2000
Charles Krauthammer
Syndicated Columnist

Rep. Eric Cantor
Chairman (R-VA)
Task Force on Terrorism
Bill Kristol
Editor
Weekly Standard

Rep. Eliot Engel
(D-NY)
U.S. House of Representatives
Hon. Richard D. Lamm
Fmr. Governor
Colorado

Rep. Mark Foley
(R-FL)
U.S. House of Representatives
Rep. Jim Marshall
(D-GA)
U.S. House of Representatives

Frank Gaffney
President
Center for Security Policy
Sen. Zell Miller
(D-GA)
U.S. Senate

Amb. Marc Ginsberg
Fmr. Ambassador
Morroco
Richard Perle
Former Chair of the Defense Policy Board and FDD Advisor

Rep. J.D. Hayworth
(R-AZ)
U.S. House of Representatives
Sen. Charles E. Schumer
(D-NY)
U.S. Senate

Senior Fellows


Khairi Abaza
Middle East and Democracy Expert
Barbara Newman
Investigative Reporter and Author

Avi Jorisch
Terrorism Expert
Dr. Walid Phares
Terrorism Expert

Samer Libdeh
Middle East and Democracy Expert
Victoria Toensing
Fmr. Chief Counsel to Sen. Intelligence Committee

Andrew C. McCarthy
Legal Commentator, Terrorism Expert

[Gloria]

30. I saw Eliot Engel on TV about a week ago, by accident....and

was appalled at how much he sounded like a Republican! It made my skin crawl...

[savemefromdumbya]

33. Many in the Democrats are part of the New Order

[muriel_volestrangler]

34. An insightful article by James Walcott from March 2005

And lo, I switched on the set today and by chance see the words "Beware Hezbollah" on the screen beneath Wolf Blitzer's bearded mug. His guests were the authors of a new book called "Lightning out of Lebanon," about the threat posed by Hezbollah to the US mainland. The only hazy evidence of Hezbollah activity were threats against Anthony Lake which were never carried out but were "taken seriously." Well, hell, practically everything in this country is taken seriously as a precautionary measure. A ten-year-old can phone in a bomb scare and they'll evacuate the building. Means nothing.
...
One of the authors, Barbara Newman, mentioned (or maybe it was Wolf) being a senior fellow at the FDD, and I thought, "OK, that explains everything."
...
So what we have here is another well-financed neocon operation, gearing up post-Iraq to frighten Americans about Hezbollah and to push for US premptive intervention. Hezbollah--"Iran-backed shock troops," as they're dubbed in the book's promo--will be equated with the Taliban, and just as Afghanistan had to be attacked for harboring the Taliban, countries that harbor, finance, and otherwise support Hezbollah must Face the Consequences.

Here's your homework assignment, boys and girls. Study cable news in the coming months, if you can stand the stomach upset, and see how many segments are devoted to the emerging threat posed by Hezbollah, and what America must do to protect itself. Particularly what-if scenarios about Hezbollah obtaining WMDs, and what they could do to American cities. I suspect we'll see quite an uptick.

http://jameswolcott.com/archives/2005/03/second_verse_sa.php

[leftchick]

36. thank you for the link

great article.

<snip>

Its Board of Directors are Jack Kemp, Jeane Kilpatrick, and Steve Forbes.

Its Distinguished Directors are Newt Gingrich and James Woolsey (which is really stretching the definition of "distinguished").

Its Board of Advisors include many of the usual suspects. Krauthammer. Perle. Frank Gaffney. Bill Kristol. And, to lend this organization a figleaf of bipartisanship, Donna Brazile and Sen Chuck Shumer.

So what we have here is another well-financed neocon operation, gearing up post-Iraq to frighten Americans about Hezbollah and to push for US premptive intervention. Hezbollah--"Iran-backed shock troops," as they're dubbed in the book's promo--will be equated with the Taliban, and just as Afghanistan had to be attacked for harboring the Taliban, countries that harbor, finance, and otherwise support Hezbollah must Face the Consequences.

Here's your homework assignment, boys and girls. Study cable news in the coming months, if you can stand the stomach upset, and see how many segments are devoted to the emerging threat posed by Hezbollah, and what America must do to protect itself. Particularly what-if scenarios about Hezbollah obtaining WMDs, and what they could do to American cities. I suspect we'll see quite an uptick.

[Robbien]

41. Presto. FauxNews and FDD delivers the terror goods

Per NewsHounds (They watch Faux so we don't have to)

Imagine my disappointment when Fox showed the preview for Heartland 8-12-06, with the heart stopping chyron “High Alert, Terror Plots and Your Safety" under a picture of John Gibson – not the drunken anti-Semite; but the well coiffed and hopefully sober host of the Big Story.

The entire show was all about being very afraid - as noted in Gibson’s show “preview” which began with his question “Is there a bomb plot here? Has it spilled over to America’s shores and how will it affect you?”

After some coverage of the cease-fire in Lebanon, there was a news story done by a very blond female newscaster, about the men who were arrested after buying the Wal*Mart pre-paid phone. This served as the lead in to a “talking heads” segment that featured Annie Triton, whom Gibson described as a “terror tracking mom,” J. Michael Barrett of the Manhattan Institute, and Elena Gordon of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy (comment: a very neo-con group whose Vice Chairman is Tucker Carlson’s dad, former ambassador Richard W Carlson).

http://www.newshounds.us/2006/08/13/the_fear_factor_in_the_heartland_big_story.php

Hmmm, Interesting tidbit on Tucker Carlson's dad. The article at NewsHound has many of her facts referenced linked, including the fact of the so-called "terror tracking mom".

[leveymg]

44. Interesting timing. 3/05 - about when the US and Israel started

planning this invasion.

[KoKo]

40. Kick....so this doesn't go down the "memory hole." Donna Brazille needs

to stop being the sole mouthpiece for Dems. We need diversity of opinion not Neo-Cons and DLC'ers working together against others in the party.

[saracat]

42. Cliff May? JD Hayworth? Damn Straight Schumer and Brazile

have some splaining to do. Write and DEMAND they resign from this organization or turn in their Dem credentials!

[JohnnyBoots]

43. Great Find. I knew the PNAC would reassemble somewhere. Thanks for

the info. Now need to cross reference even more talking heads with this list, than before. Thanks.