Will Patrick Fitzgerald deliver an October surprise ?

[jaysunb]

I feel in my gut that he will. Don't know why, but it just feels right.

Any other optimist/dreamers out there ?

[YDogg]

1. Patrick Who??

:(

[nancyr]

21. Patrick Who?

My reaction precisely.

[Imagevision]

2. Bush's numbers beginning to tank again, anything can happen

[bluestateguy]

3. No

And anybody who thinks so was probably also one of the same people that thought the Downing Street Memo would be the end for the Bush Administration.

[Patchuli]

4. I think the DSM SHOULD have been the end

but the media as usual, tried to suppress it as with any truth that floats free of these pathological liars.

[Drum]

5. *yawn*

[peacebird]

6. it would certainly be nice! Hope your gut is right!

:hi:

[napi21]

7. GOOD question. What ever happened with that ness?

I just check the DOJ Office of Special Council page and there's nothing new. I can't even remember thae last I heard about that case or how long ago it was. I realize every case has active and dormant times, but this one seems to havee taken a really long nap!

[stop the bleeding]

8. latest filings were from

07/31/2006

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x3589

at least since earlier this week when I last checked. :)

[graywarrior]

9. Gave up on Fitz.

If there's an Oct surprise, I'll be surprised.

[Lerkfish]

10. gave up on Fitz, myself. If he had anything worthwhile, we'd see it

the trial of scooter takes place after the election, anyhow. Even if something good is sprung then, too late to really help us.

[jaysunb]

11. Calling H2OMan.....

Please weigh in.....

[LiberalEsto]

12. Fitz is a republican, for one thing

More importantly, I don't think he is swayed by politics. He just prosecutes diligently. from everything I have read about him.

In my opinion, Fitz would have nailed some of the people in the leak case already, if they didn't have armies of tricky lawyers who have thrown up a wall of obstruction and confusion and lies.

[Golden Raisin]

13. No. But Bush, Rove & Cheney will for sure.

Big Terra. Big Fear. Coming to a theatre near you. This Fall. These SOBs are not going to go down without a fight and they will do everything in their considerable power to keep Congress in Republican hands. Look for another big domestic attack (genuine or staged), a "premptive" attack on Iran (or somewhere else) --- some big crisis. They are going to want massive fear and a lot of kneejerk rallying around the flag and the "war president".

[jaysunb]

15. I think we all know for sure that's the plan,

and that was my reason for the wishful thinking re Fitzgerald.

I'm figuring they'll nuke N. Korea, since they are the least sympathetic of all the targets. Iran is waaay too tough and involves too many other powerful nations.

[DoYouEverWonder]

14. Well, he just got the PDB Summaries last week

CIA Gives Libby Overviews of Briefings


Friday August 11, 2006 8:16 AM

By MATT APUZZO

Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - The CIA says it has provided short summaries of Vice President Dick Cheney's daily security briefings to defense attorneys for his indicted former chief of staff.

The documents, which were provided in response to a March court order, summarize a wide range of national security issues that consumed the working day of Cheney and I. Lewis ``Scooter'' Libby, who is accused of five counts of perjury, obstruction and lying to the FBI.

In a document filed Wednesday in federal court, the CIA reported that it gave the material to Libby's lawyers in three batches starting in May. The final documents were turned over early this week.

Libby has been charged with making false statements about how he learned the identity of CIA officer Valerie Plame and what he told reporters about her. Libby's discussions with reporters came shortly after Plame's husband, former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson, accused the Bush administration of twisting prewar intelligence to exaggerate the Iraqi threat.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,,-6007920,00.html

[Independent_Liberal]

16. The worms have been let out! The gears have been set in motion!

Keep your eyes open. Some big revelations are coming. That Lou Dobbs report the other night about the 9/11 Commission's allegations of lies by the government was just a part of it. The RFK Jr. thing on the election was just another part as well. If anybody wants to read my scenario with footnotes, please email me here: [e-mail] I'll attach it to an email for you.

[glitch]

17. Hope so! I would hate to see it all Fitzle out.

Sorry, had to.

[jaysunb]

26. Good one !! haha !!

:thumbsup:

[glitch]

29. Thank you :) nt

[burythehatchet]

18. Absolutely, Alberto the Torturer will have a change of heart

and start applying the laws of the land. Just kidding.

[Bumblebee]

19. No -- and we should give up on "instant" undoings. Won't happen.

As the man we all despise says, it's a hard work. No miracles, no Fitzmases; we all need to do it ourselves.

[Lerkfish]

22. absolutely. no one person will "save" us, we must all wear the "V" mask.

[Peace Patriot]

24. I'm with you, Bumblebee! We CANNOT count on "knights on white horses"

saving our democracy. For one thing, that's not what democracy is about. It's a collective enterprise. For another, the assault on our democracy has been pervasive, in all areas of government and American political life--in religion, in science. An all-out push to destroy everything that most Americans believe in--open and fair elections, the rule of law, tolerance, human progress, equity, fairness, you name it.

I think we have to START with restoring open and fair elections, because it is the foundation of all other change, and because I think it's still feasible and doable. But I do think we have to act fast. How do we do that? With Bushite electronic voting corporations in place, "counting" all our votes with TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code, and virtually no audit/recount controls, Stolen Election III is virtually guaranteed. That's been the whole point and purpose of installing the NON-TRANSPARENT vote tabulation system. There are wonderful things happening in the election reform movement--lawsuits, groups formed, many books and reports, lots of public education--but nothing on the horizon to stop election theft in November.

What can we do?

I think it's massive Absentee Ballot voting. Boycott their goddamned election theft machines. Let these electronic devices sit idle. Send local/state election officials MOUNTAINS of paper ballots to deal with, create panic and crisis in the election theft industry, and FORCE reform NOW. AB votes are not "safe," and will NOT result in accurate counts this fall. Accurate counts are not possible. But if enough people vote AB (and many are--it's up to 50% in Los Angeles), it CAN throw a huge monkey wrench into the system, generate much more scrutiny of the counting of AB votes and all other parts of the system, and put good election reform activists AT THE TABLE. A massive peoples' "vote of no confidence" in things as they are. A massive citizen rebellion against rigged elections.

It's easy. Everybody can do it. Almost every state has some form of AB voting. It turns voting into a positive protest, instead of a passive act of despair. It will help turnout. To people who don't vote because 'it's all rigged,' we can say: But this is a PROTEST, aimed at UN-rigging the system. No excuse for not voting! It will give expression to the massive discontent in the country--aimed in the right direction, at the MECHANISM by which power is obtained.

Montgomery bus boycott. Gandhi's salt tax protest. The Boston Tea Party. All wrapped up into one. And perfectly legal--and simple.

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Bust the Machines! Bust Bush! Bust the War! Bust Congress! VOTE ABSENTEE!

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There are A LOT OF things wrong with our election system. Electronic voter purge lists are their next game. But we've got to start SOMEWHERE! And secret electronic vote tabulation--by BUSHITE CORPORATIONS!--is the worst thing yet. It has entirely corrupted our voting system, very quickly (2002-2004, basically)--with a $4 billion electronic voting boondoggle, and a culture of secrecy and private interests that now pervades all aspects of the system. We've got to bust it! We shouldn't stop voting, though. That would be suicidal. And we CAN overcome this Diebold/ES&S "thumb on the scales" in some cases--by sheer turnout. There is still MUCH REASON to participate in the election system. But we've got to get rid of this EASY rigging, via electronics. Answer: massive AB voting!

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"Knights on white horses" have their role to play. It's very high risk patriotic work. Some may succeed. Some may fail. But it's the collective work of restoring our democracy that WE are responsible for. It's OUR country. WE are the sovereigns here. So our Founders told us, and established. It's OUR TURN to live up to it. Patrick Fitzgerald CANNOT save our country FOR us. Nor can any one person. And THAT is the point.

[jaysunb]

28. I totally agree....

with your entire post, and am not naive enough to think one person holds the key.
What would certainly assure a massive voter turnout is, an indictment or two inside the Whitehouse. Your--correct--assessment of what it will take to overcome the coming theft,( huge turnout ) is all neatly packaged with one or more high level official at the bar.

So I continue to dream....... LOL !

[upi402]

20. there's no justice in America, just corruption and propaganda n/t

[Dinger]

23. Yeah, It'd Be A Surprise If He Did Anything To Get * & Co. Out (nt)

[Beelzebud]

25. He's too busy taking down the Democratic governor of Illinois right now.

[Blackhatjack]

27. Don't Expect Anything Until After Nov Midterm Elections b/c ....

...it will take a change in the majority of the House of Representatives to impeach the President. If Fitz moved before then, it would just cause Bush to pardon Libby and others sooner(ala Iran/Contra like his dad did). Bush is less likely to pardon Libby if the prospect of impeachment is on the table.

[The Gunslinger]

30. no

[Horse with no Name]

31. Before or after we celebrate Fitzmas?

Sorry to be so cynical, I just don't hold much hope for it.
I believe that IN TIME (like when Democrats are running Congress) that Fitz might have something for us, but I don't expect anything to derail this bunch until there is some Congressional oversight.