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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 03:04 PM
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How the CIA created Osama Bin Laden
....Between 1978 and 1992, the US government poured at least US$6 billion (some estimates range as high as $20 billion) worth of arms, training and funds to prop up the mujaheddin factions. Other Western governments, as well as oil-rich Saudi Arabia, kicked in as much again. Wealthy Arab fanatics, like Osama bin Laden, provided millions more.

Washington's policy in Afghanistan was shaped by US President Jimmy Carter's national security advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and was continued by his successors. His plan went far beyond simply forcing Soviet troops to withdraw; rather it aimed to foster an international movement to spread Islamic fanaticism into the Muslim Central Asian Soviet republics to destabilise the Soviet Union.


.....Made in the USA
According to Ahmed Rashid, a correspondent for the Far Eastern Economic Review, in 1986 CIA chief William Casey committed CIA support to a long-standing ISI proposal to recruit from around the world to join the Afghan jihad. At least 100,000 Islamic militants flocked to Pakistan between 1982 and 1992 (some 60,000 attended fundamentalist schools in Pakistan without necessarily taking part in the fighting).

John Cooley, a former journalist with the US ABC television network and author of Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism, has revealed that Muslims recruited in the US for the mujaheddin were sent to Camp Peary, the CIA's spy training camp in Virginia, where young Afghans, Arabs from Egypt and Jordan, and even some African-American “black Muslims” were taught “sabotage skills”.

The November 1, 1998, British Independent reported that one of those charged with the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, Ali Mohammed, had trained “bin Laden's operatives” in 1989.



http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2001/465/465p15.htm
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evox Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 03:11 PM
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1. it's no secret
America creates powers, lets them do its dirty job, and once they're done it tries to destroy them. Remember Saddam?
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 03:34 PM
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3. How did Saddam try to destroy us?
Oh, that's right - he wanted to deal Iraq's oil in Euros instead of US dollars. You surely don't believe that he had WMD.
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evox Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 03:49 PM
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5. I think you misinterpreted my statement
I meant once the U.S.-made power is done performing it's job that they were created to do, then the U.S. would try to destroy them.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 04:20 PM
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6. Thanks!
Clarity is helpful!
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 04:55 PM
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9. we should advise Israel of this bad habit of ours.
although, I am sure they know it.

one thing we have never done well has been foreign relations.

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:29 PM
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18. You can bet that the Left-Behinders are planning Israel's destruction!
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:58 PM
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21. Along with the Right-Behinders!
Edited on Mon Aug-14-06 02:13 PM by leveymg
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 02:11 PM
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23. Dupe. Self-delete
Edited on Mon Aug-14-06 02:12 PM by leveymg
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Jeanette in FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 05:23 PM
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12. Same with Noriega, Panama
We can list the numerous heads of States, who we installed and then in a heartbeat declare them enemies of the United States of America.

This scene has played out over and over again. It works so well, especially when Americans do not know our history or choose to ignore it.

Dumfukistan, land of the Dumfukers.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 05:54 PM
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13. And Noriega ends up in a Florida prison with Jebby being
the only one who can pardon him.

What was it FDR said about there being no coincidences in politics?
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Jeanette in FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 05:56 PM
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14. Yep, isn't that just amazing
Thank God, I don't believe in coincidences in this life.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:35 PM
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20. I **think** Manny's in a fed joint .... not state ....
... how does Jebby get to pardon him?
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 03:32 PM
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2. I want to add...
that according to the 9/11 Commission report, (Chapt. Two) the US paid little or nothing in support of the Mujaheddin.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 03:40 PM
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4. The Jihad Schoolbook Scandal
Edited on Sun Aug-13-06 03:41 PM by JohnyCanuck
Bush & The Jihad Schoolbook Scandal
Wednesday, 17 April 2002, 9:52 am

Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal?

Or perhaps I should say, "Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal that's waiting to happen?"

Because it has been almost unreported in the Western media that the US government shipped - and continues to ship - millions of Islamist (that's short for Islamic fundamentalist) textbooks into Afghanistan.

Only one English-speaking newspaper we could find has investigated this issue: the Washington Post. The story appeared March 23rd. (A)

According to Washington Post investigators, over the past twenty years the US has spent millions of dollars producing fanatical schoolbooks, which were then distributed in Afghanistan.

Continued at:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0204/S00074.htm
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 05:14 PM
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11. Very interesting stuff Johny. Thanks.....
It looks like fundamentalism, whether Islamic or Christian, suffices for an opiate of the brain.

Clinton once said that 100 million dollars spent on education in select parts of the world could go a long way toward ending terrorism as we know it.
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 04:24 PM
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7. What we are seeing know is blowback from those operations.
And the Bushies couldn't be happier. They love a destabilized world.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 04:37 PM
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8. Ali Mohammed while in the US armed services took his vacations
Edited on Sun Aug-13-06 04:39 PM by flyarm
going to Afganistan serving with Bin Laden and the mujahadeen..all while pappy * was president!

learn all about him here!!

Complete 911 Timeline
Ali Mohamed
Project: Complete 911 Timeline
Open-Content project managed by Paul Thompson


http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?other_al-qaeda_operatives=aliMohamed&timeline=complete_911_timeline

1986: Ali Mohamed Joins US Armed Services and Teaches About Middle East; Supervisors Include Prominent Neoconservative Ideologue
Ali Mohamed, in one of the US military videos he helped create.
Ali Mohamed enlists in the US Army and is posted to Fort Bragg, North Carolina. (He had taken part in a special program for foreign officers at Fort Bragg when he was a major in the Egyptian army in 1981 (see 1984)). He works first as a supply sergeant for a Green Beret unit, and then as an instructor at the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare School. Fort Bragg is no ordinary military base—one newspaper calls it the “US military’s top warfare planning center.” Mohamed will steal numerous top secret documents and pass them to al-Qaeda (see November 5, 1990). Mohamed trains and lectures soldiers being deployed to the Middle East on the region’s culture and politics. He also produces and appears in training videotapes about the Middle East. In one tape, he asserts that devout Muslims are widely misunderstood. “The term of fundamentalism scares people in the West. Everybody when he hears fundamentalist, he thinks about armed struggle. He thinks about radicals. He thinks about groups that are carrying weapons. The word fundamentalism does not mean extremism. It means just that ordinary Muslims accept everything—that this is my way.” One of his supervisors is Col. Norvell De Atkine, who later will say of Mohamed, “I don’t think he was anti-American. He was what I would call a Muslim fundamentalist, which isn’t a bomb thrower. I would not put him in that category.” De Atkine is an expert on the Middle East and on the political aspects of military operations. In one of his articles he will praise the propaganda preparation for the Gulf War. De Atkine will also contribute articles to Middle East Forum, an aggressively neoconservative and pro-Israeli journal edited by Daniel Pipes. One of these, a denunciation of leftist and Arab influences in academia, will be written together with Pipes.

Entity Tags: Norvell De Atkine, Ali Mohamed

Between 1986-1989: Ali Mohamed Resumes Contact with CIA
At some point during Ali Mohamed’s US military service, possibly towards the end of his service, he expresses a great interest in being used as an intelligence operative, and asks his military superiors to be introduced to a CIA representative. The request is granted. the CIA representative who meets him appears to have no knowledge of the CIA’s previous contact with him (see 1984; September 1985). The outcome of this meeting is unknown. However, after he leaves the military and moves to Santa Clara, California, his new friends and neighbors take it for granted that Mohamed is helping the CIA support the mujahedeen fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan. He doesn’t tell them that he is working for the CIA, but does say that he worked for the CIA before, and hopes to work for them again. A neighbor who knew Mohamed and his wife well will say, “Everyone in the community knew he was working as a liaison between the CIA and the Afghan cause, and everyone was sympathetic.”

Entity Tags: Central Intelligence Agency, Ali Mohamed

1987-1989: Ali Mohamed Meets with Islamic Militants Regularly While Instructor at US Base
Ali Mohamed, while still an instructor at Fort Bragg, North Carolina (see 1986), frequently spends his weekends traveling to meet with Islamic activists at the al-Kifah Refugee Center in Brooklyn. The Independent calls al-Kifah, founded in 1987 and containing the Al-Farooq Mosque, “a place of pivotal importance to Operation Cyclone, the American effort to support the mujahedeen (see 1986-1992). and the associated Afghan Refugee Services Inc. were raising funds and, crucially, providing recruits for the struggle, with active assistance.” Funds raised are sent to the Makhtab al-Khidimat (MAK) office in Peshawar, Pakistan. bin Laden is working with MAK at the time, and will turn it into al-Qaeda after 1989. Both MAK and al-Kifah are also closely linked to radical Islamic leader Sheikh Omar Abdul-Rahman. Mohamed teaches the Islamic activists survival techniques, map reading and how to recognize tanks and other Soviet weapons. He frequently stays at the home of El-Sayyid Nosair (see November 5, 1990). In July 1989, the FBI monitors him teaching Nosair and some of the future members of the 1993 World Trade Center bomb plot how to shoot weapons (see July 1989). Towards the end of this period he informs his superiors that he has renewed his association with Abdul-Rahman. Mohamed will move to Brooklyn in May 1990 while also keeping a residence in Santa Clara, California. His connections to the Islamist network develop rapidly from this point on.

Entity Tags: Al-Kifah Refugee Center, Al-Farooq Mosque, Makhtab al-Khidimat, Afghan Refugee Services Inc., Sheikh Omar Abdul-Rahman, Ali Mohamed, El Sayyid Nosair


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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 04:59 PM
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10. K & R
Ali Mohammed - that story really blows the top off the US enabling al-Qaeda. This guy was a master sergeant in the special forces ... 10 years later he pleaded guilty to the Kenya/Tanzania bombings.

Read the complete story in 51 entries here:

http://cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&other_al-qaeda_operatives=aliMohamed

Note the last one on AM reads: "July 2001-December 2001: Ali Mohamed Never Publicly Sentenced; Whereabouts Are Unknown"

!!!!

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ovidsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 04:02 AM
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15. How GWB funded Osama (months before 9/11!)
(this courtesy of a post by spanone on 5/29/06)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1309248

Bush's Faustian Deal With the Taliban
By Robert Scheer
Published May 22, 2001 in the Los Angeles Times

Enslave your girls and women, harbor anti-U.S. terrorists, destroy every vestige of civilization in your homeland, and the Bush administration will embrace you. All that matters is that you line up as an ally in the drug war, the only international cause that this nation still takes seriously.

That's the message sent with the recent gift of $43 million to the Taliban rulers of Afghanistan, the most virulent anti-American violators of human rights in the world today. (/snip)

Never mind that Osama bin Laden still operates the leading anti-American terror operation from his base in Afghanistan, from which, among other crimes, he launched two bloody attacks on American embassies in Africa in 1998.

http://www.robertscheer.com/1_natcolumn/01_columns/052201.htm


The Rethugs constantly accuse the Clinton administration of ignoring Osama, setting the stage for 9/11. Meanwhile, BushCo was indirectly funding this terrorist.

Spread the word.
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 04:18 AM
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17. Somewhere in a U.S. hospital facility in the ME, Larry Mitchell pays a ...
... a visit to Osama!

Who is Larry? CIA. When did the visit occur? Mid 2001. Why was he visited? Hmmmn!

Anyone who is vaguely interested in the above teaser should get a hold of "Synthetic Terror - Made in the USA".
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 05:46 PM
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29. Another excellent addition to this story. Thanks ovidsen
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 04:11 AM
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16. Why not blame it on
the USSR for invading Afghanistan, or fundamentalist Islam, such as the Wahabbi strain in Saudi Arabia, or his mother or his fifth grade teacher? Sorry, this article is way too simplistic.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 05:42 PM
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28. I'm not sure I get your question.
Blame what on the list of things you mentioned?
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:31 PM
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19. I Recommend "The Power Of Nightmares" (BBC documentary film)
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 05:40 PM
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26. I have seen this at the Seattle International Film Festival!
A phenomenal work. That and "Century of the Self", both by Adam Curtis.

Curtis's main theme is that Islamic and Christian fundamentalism have a common enemy: Western Liberalism and the decadence it supposedly brings. He then shows how it is really a ruse for other political goals.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 02:07 PM
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22. The C.I.A. & The Muslim BrotherhoodHow the CIA set the stage for Sept11
:hi: happydreams

http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm9.showMessage?topicID=84.topic

Martin A.Lee
RAZOR Magazine September 2004

Reverend Franklin Graham, the pugnacious preacher who delivered the prayer at President George W. Bush's 2001 inauguration, might have a bone to pick with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). When Franklin branded Islam "a very evil and wicked religion" after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, he had no idea that American spies were once eager to promote a Muslim leader in the Middle East modeled after his own father, the famous evangelist Billy Graham.

The CIA often works in mysterious ways - and so it was with this little-known cloak-and-dagger caper that set the stage for extensive collaboration between US intelligence and Islamic extremists. The genesis of this ill-starred alliance dates back to Egypt in the mid-1950s, when the CIA made discrete overtures to the Muslim Brotherhood, the influential Sunni fundamentalist movement that fostered Islamic militancy throughout the Middle East. What started as a quiet American flirtation with political Islam became a Cold War love affair on the sly - an affair that would turn out disastrously for the United States. Nearly all of today's radical Islamic groups, including al-Qaeda, trace their lineage to the Brotherhood.

“The Muslim Brothers are at the root of a lot of our troubles,” says Col. W. Patrick Lang, one of several US intelligence veterans interviewed for this article . Formerly a high-ranking Middle East expert at the Defense Intelligence Agency Lang considers al-Qaeda to be “a descendent of the Brotherhood.

For many years, the American espionage establishment had operated on the assumption that Islam was inherently anti-communist and there fore could be harnessed to facilitate US objectives. American officials viewed the Muslim Brotherhood as “a secret weapon” in the shadow war against the Soviet Union and it’s Arab allies, according to Robert Baer, a retired CIA case officer who was right in the thick of things in the Middle East and Central Asia during his 21 year career as a spy. In Sleeping with the Devil, a book he wrote after quitting the CIA Baer explains how the United States “made common cause with the Brothers” and used them “to do our dirty work in Yemen, Afghanistan and plenty of other places”. This covert relationship; unraveled when the Cold War ended, whereupon an Islamic Frankenstein named Osama bin Laden lurched into existence.

Described by ex-CIA analyst Graham Fuller as “the preeminent international Islamist organization,” the Muslim Brotherhood currently has a huge following with autonomous branches, all in close contact, spread across the Arab world.
But it is banned in several countries, including Egypt, it’s birthplace, for being an alleged front for terrorists - a claim its supporters adamantly deny even though bin Laden and other al-Qaeda leaders had close personal ties to the Brotherhood prior to September 11, 2001
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 05:34 PM
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24. ...."a descendent of the Brotherhood (Bruderschwiegen ...sp)
You sure come up with some good stuff SLD. :toast:
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 05:39 PM
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25. Anybody speak Polish? Pic: Ben Laden i Zb.Brzeziński, lata 80-te
Edited on Mon Aug-14-06 05:55 PM by Emit
Anybody speak Polish?


Ben Laden i Zb.Brzeziński, lata 80-te

Zbigniew Brzeziński twórcą Al-Quaidy. Udziały Busha i Ben Ladena w Carlyle'u
Usilnie wmawiane opinii publicznej kłamstwo (a i casus belli zarazem!) o związkach Ben Ladena z Husseinem każe przypomnieć o istnieniu jedynego takiego "łącznika", amerykańskiego zresztą: obydwaj byli wspierani latami przez CIA i rząd USA, m.in.również za pośrednictwem obecnego "konsula" Iraku, Paula Bremera, bliskiego współpracownika H.Kissingera (Iraq-gate), notorycznego zbrodniarza wojennego z Kambodży, Timoru Wsch., Chile, Afryki, Iraku, itd., mającego do 1938r. kontakty z Hitler-
jugend, a po wojnie poprzez akcję Paperclip (ściągania zbrodniarzy nazistowskich do USA) - z SS.

Reżim Husajna nie miał żadnych związków z Al-Qaidą i Ben Ladenem, o czym świetnie wiedziały agencje wywiadowcze, natomiast związki takowe posiadał G.Bush i Bush senior poprzez m.in. firmę Carlyle, Harken i.in, poprzez pakistańskie służby specjalne ISI (Mohamed Atta), współpracujące blisko od wielu lat z CIA oraz szkolone w Afganistanie pod egidą Brzezińskiego oddziały mudżahedinów.


Nie ma rodziny w USA, która miałaby bliższe powiązania i na tak wielką skalę prowadziła nielegalne transakcje hadlowe z rodziną Ben Ladena. Rodziny Busha i Ben Ladena prowadziły transakcje m.in. w Carlyle'u (private equity fund) - tzw."klubie byłych prezydentów". Carlyle Group (private equity fund) jest głównym inwestorem AeroSpace Defense oraz jednym z największych na świecie pośrednikiem koncernów zbrojeniowych i petrochemicznych. Jej udziałowcem był do niedawna Ben Laden. O' Neill z Wydziału ds terroryzmu FBI, który szykował w tej sprawie proces przeciw Bushowi sen. i jun. zginął 11.9. w ataku na WTC. Opierając się na b. solidnej dokumentacji prof. ekonomii M. Choussodovsky z Kanady twierdzi nawet, że atak na WTC był najprawdopodobniej "zlecony"; Mohamed Atta, szef komórki pakistańskiego wywiadu wojskowego ISI, ściśle współpracującego wiele lat z CIA, doskonale był znany FBI i służbom wywiadowczym USA. Brzeziński pod egidą Białego Domu, CIA oraz ISI współkreował i dozbrajał Al-Qaidę oraz afgańskich talibów.


http://www.irak.pl/full.html
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 03:45 PM
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30. I gotta get this translated. Unfortunately my time is very
limited since I don't have an at home internet connection.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 07:17 PM
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31. I'm only familiar with Google translate tools
and it doesn't include Polish.

Are there other translation tools free of charge that can be used to translate such things?

I'd really be curious what it says.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 05:42 PM
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27. This is just a brief reaction to this,but
this mess we are fighting today is American made?
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