Kristol: Cheney’s Claim Is ‘Indisputably Correct’ (Lamont win)

[CatWoman]

Kristol: Cheney’s Claim That Lamont Win Helps ‘Al-Qaeda Types’ Is ‘Indisputably Correct’ »

Last week, Vice President Dick Cheney called Ned Lamont’s win in the Connecticut primary “disturbing” because “the al Qaeda types, they clearly are betting on the proposition that ultimately they can break the will of the American people in terms of our ability to stay in the fight and complete the task.”

Today on Fox News Sunday, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol called Cheney’s remarks “indisputably correct.” Kristol said that anyone who advocates redeployment of U.S. troops from Iraq is helping al-Qaeda. Watch it:

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/13/kristol-cheneys-claim/

HOWEVER

Tom Ridge begs to differ:

Ridge says Cheney wrong about Lamont victory.

Newsweek, 8/21 issue: “, former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge bridled at his former colleague’s remark: ‘That may be the way the vice president sees it,’ he sees it, ‘but I don’t see it that way, and I don’t think most Americans see it that way.’

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/13/ridge-says-cheney-wrong-about-lamont-victory/

[rusty charly]

1. see? this is why we can't fight them on this level:

dems are not willing to make these absurd, sweeping pronouncements.
the question is: should they start?

yet, these things get all the press and discussion, while facts- like the Whitehouse undermining the British terror surveillance, is ignored.

[Bob3]

2. New rule of thumb - anytime a neo-con says Indisputably correct

or undeniably true - what ever he's saying is wrong.

this is an old debating trick to get the other side to not notice the huge bloody whopper you just said, it's inevitably the weakest part of your agreement.

[stepnw1f]

3. Cheney Helped Directly in Making Al Queda Stronger

by lying American into an illegal war, destabilizing the Middle East more and by allowing 9-11 to happen on his watch. I hope the fucking evil bastard lives in hell till the day he finally dies.

[misternormal]

10. Is the face of a Man who really cares...

... what the average American thinks???

[otohara]

4. Kristol Has Been Right On So Many Things

the man is fucking brilliant and we should hang on every word he says as the gospel truth.:sarcasm:

[Octafish]

5. Kristol is the PNAC turd who pushed glorious Iraq Invasion.

By Moon, he's a great one. For solitary confinement.



RightWeb on the subject.

Thanks for the heads-up, CatWoman.
The neocons grow increasingly desperate. T
hey know the Big Lie has unraveled.

DIM, DRUNK & COCAINE-ADDLED

[H2O Man]

11. He is indeed

a criminal, who is using all the resources at his control to expand the war in the Middle East.

[IntiRaymi]

27. What a great photograph!

How did we end up in the grips of these assholes?

[Turbineguy]

6. Did I already voluteer

to serve on Kristol's firing squad?

I can't remember, there are so many of them.

[xchrom]

7. bill kristol sucks pig shit.

[The_Casual_Observer]

8. cheney is stuck in a hole, can't get out & is digging it deeper.

The neocon "strategy" of ham fisted military occupations has utterly failed and has been completely discredited.

[speedoo]

9. Of course Kristol agrees with Cheney.

They are both delusional and neither has any credibility with reasonable people anymore.

Both are on record with multiple statements that have been proven false and idiotic by actual events.

[FormerDittoHead]

12. A point that should be made...

>neither has any credibility with reasonable people anymore.

On Kristol, I would like to make the point that yes, he is delusional (esp on attacking Iran), BUT he gets AIRTIME. He reenforces the far right (who, unfortunately, are in power) and gets us to spin our wheels having to debate his points instead of letting us put forth OUR plans...

I think that rusty charly has a good point in msg #1. We SHOULD have liberal Ann Coulters and Bill Kristols spouting far LEFT stuff all over the talking head shows and let THEM spin their wheels arguing why we SHOULDN'T have a wealth tax and tax the churches...

[speedoo]

16. It's debatable, but I don't agree.

I think the RWers are losing credibility steadily. I think it would ba mistake to have lefties out there trying to outdo them by asserting things that can't be supported.

We are making progress with moderates as it is, because loonies like Cheney and Kristol are saying things that only the hard core freepers end up buying.

[FormerDittoHead]

24. Oh, I agree

I'm just talking about trying to shift the goalposts a little more to the left.

I agree that we shouldn't have lefties making stuff up out of whole cloth like these guys do. You're right about that.

But I WOULD like to see some REAL left wing people out there discussing things which seem to be out of the question: increasing taxes on the rich, bringing back meaningful tarriffs, cutting our military oh like, 80%, to be in line with China and Russia, eliminating trust law, bringing an absolute limit on inheritances over $10 million per heir, etc.

I think it would be a lot easier to argue down these suggestions, rather than have to fight our way up to something reasonable, which is what the MSM seems to make us do...

[DianaForRussFeingold]

13. I wonder how much money William Kristol made on 911 And the Wars

He can take his Project for a New American Century and shove it. We must open PNAC and 9/11 to public discourse because all roads may very well lead to or from 9/11.

9/11 is not the reason the Bush/PNAC agenda took shape, it is the
excuse for implementing it.

9/11 gave these men everything they could possibly ask for including unlimited power to implement their otherwise unacceptable plans for global domination. Nothing else would have enabled them to go ahead with their plans. 9/11 was the greatest thing that ever happened to these men. If that does not make you suspicious, nothing will. What are the odds that all of this is nothing more than a historical coincidence? Bill Kristol, PNAC and the White House
It is interesting that so many still know so little about the events that caused us to enter the war with Iraq. It all started long before 9/11.

TVNewsLIES.org reminds us of the history of PNAC and Bill Kristol. http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/kristol_clear.html


William Kristol is the Chairman of PNAC, The Project for a New American Century? This is the organization that boasts among its members Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Pearle, and 6 other key players on the Bush team in 2001. Do the freepers know how close Kristol is to the major players in the White House, and the access he has to these men? No one would have to ‘leak’ to Kristol at all. He is an insider who knows what’s going on in the Bush WH. Do the freepers give Kristol any credit for being one of the most influential neocons in the nation, and one of the major architects of the Bush foreign policy?
“new Pearl Harbor” comment made by Kristol’s group years before 9/11?


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6638713703231012207&q=PNAC

[tsuki]

14. So Kristol goes on Saudi TV to pump the war and dis Lamont. Hmmm....

[stellanoir]

15. Kristol is impossibly the personification of

haughty arrogance and thoroughly unwarranted smugness. He repeatedly minimizes human suffering and is undoubtedly a war monger and probably a hefty war profiteer. He should be, based on complete lack of merit, ignored entirely. His soul is bereft of humanity. IMHO

[Jara sang]

17. People listen to Bill Kristol why?

Oh yeah, because his father is one of the titans of the neocon cult. Bill Kristol is irrelevant.

[Rex]

18. It should be criminal for a RW political hack to say such things.

Last I checked, it was the DEMS who got anthrax attacked after 911 NOT the GOPers. So...why would Al_Quada (or Bechtel, my bet) want to help the Dems, if they did their best to eliminate Dem leaders? More bullshit fascist talk from the people who want to bring depleted uranium shells to a warzone near you.

Then again, I've always used the Weekly Standard as toilet paper.

[cookiebird]

19. Claims

are not facts. Any claim can be disputed. Kristol doesn't know how to debate.

[crim son]

20. "Indisputably correct"? I don't even see the connection.

I'm starting to believe that ludicrous statements like this one are not evidence of any kind of repuke strategy but instead are clear signs that a significant proportion of the american population is truly freaking stupid. We all know Kristol is a tool, but he's a drunken fool as well. What exactly is it about the repuke party that is so attractive to the real dumbasses of our society? It scares me.

[Marr]

21. It's indisputable that the Bush Admin. is manufacturing fraudulent

terrorism busts to scare the public into supporting them.

If there were any balance in the media, there would be left wing pundits on TV as often as Bill Kristol, saying that. I think our reps *should* be saying that, and just that bluntly.

[Webster Green]

22. Does Bill get to visit Cheney's underground fortress of doom?

He did a great job instigating the invasion of Iraq.

War criminal!

[Hubert Flottz]

23. ‘Indisputably’

The mark of the total police state. No room for any other views. I'd love to see this bastard pay for his shit! I think I like Bush better than I like that wormy bastard.

[ComerPerro]

25. Well, if one conservative says something, and another says its correct

and indisputable, then it must be true.

[spanone]

26. Mr. Ridge has it right "and I don’t think most Americans see it that way"

n/t