Help me debunk these two phrases

[sakabatou]

"We are not in Iraq for oil." and "We are fighting them over there so that we don't have to fight them here."

I'd also be great if someone could point me to soundbites of these phrases or phrases like these.

[NMDemDist2]

1. i'd rather fight them here and be able to carry my purse on a plane

but that's just me :shrug:

[pooja]

2. On your #2... this weeks advents with the airlines show that

fighting them over there isn't exactly working, seeing how the plan was being plotted right in jolly good England and was targeted for American airlines. #1 is a little bit harder, but pull up a map of Iraq.. (there was one a couple of weeks ago on du) that show the pipelines--then show where the US military base camps are aligned.. right along the pipe line. That shows a little bit of clarity.

[Redstone]

3. 1) "Then what the fuck ARE we there for?"

2) "Good. Go fight them over there, then. What are you waiting for?"

Redstone

[JHB]

4. The problem with the first one...

...is that they probably will just dismiss anything you say to debunk it. That's my experience.

[tocqueville]

14. Then say : "Not for oil? you sure ? then what's the point ?"

then add... "Jeesh and I thought I could trust the President on that one. I am very disappointed."

[mcscajun]

5. 1) Then why aren't we in North Korea? Kim Jong-il is more dangerous

than Hussein ever was. 2) What's the "we" shit, buddy? I'm not fighting anyone over there; when are YOU leaving for Iraq?

Oh, and this one from another DUer: "If invading Iraq has made us safer, then why is it that nearly four years after the war, we cannot take a bottle of water onto a plane?"

[unblock]

6. "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!"

it's an underused, but truly effective retort.

try it!

[madokie]

12. a good belly laugh will do wonders for all

[never_get_over_it]

7. About the oil

take a look at this by Greg Palast

http://www.gregpalast.com/yes-its-about-oil

[theanarch]

8. how about:

#1: we're in Iraq not only for the oil, but to transfer tens of billions of taxpayer dollars into the bank accounts and stock portfolios of GOP-contributor businesses failing to reconstruct the country we gratuitously bombed back into the stone age; to re-elect Republicans; and for Junior to act out his Texas-sized Oepedial complex vis a vis Poppy.

#2: we went over there to fight them, to spare them the trouble of coming over here to fight us (although, one should note, if they DID come over here to fight us, we might have a slightly better chance of beating them--homefield advantage and all that).

As for sound-bites: The War on Terror: making enemies faster than we can kill them. Or, The War on Terror: winning Muslim hearts and Arab minds one atrocity at a time.

[sakabatou]

10. I'm talking websites where I can find the soundbites

Sorry ^^

[Lindacooks]

9. For the second one, that assumes that the 'enemy'

is going to STAY over there - and of course that is a false presumption.

Oh, and who exactly is this 'we'? I doubt very much that the person who said that to you hasn't fought a day in his/her life.

[ThomWV]

11. OK On #2

As for Number one, about all one can do is shrug their shoulders. Of course we're there because of the oil, but not to take the oil. We are there to keep that oil on the market, available for US or someone else's consumption.

Number 2 is different and here's your answer for you. Simply ask the question, "Who do you mean by 'them' in that phrase?"

You see that is where it fails. Just who is it we are supposed to be fighting over there rather than here? Its not the Suni or Shia, they were never intent on comming here to do is harm. Its not Sadam, his ass is in jail. Its not Ossama, he's in Afghanastan. Its not the guys the British arrest from time to time, they are being taken care of in Britian by the British.

[Monkeyman]

13. We are fight them there to make Cheney Rich

[sweetheart]

15. they will move over here

so we can move over there.

Its us against them, the grass is greener, for both of uz, time for a country-swap.