Do you trust the British Govt. over our own?

[Philosoraptor]

Some seem to, I don't, at one time I may have, but blair has given me zero reason to believe him after being such a bush ass kisser.

If I still don't buy the whole truth about the foiled plot story, its because bush and blair are co-joined twins on conquering the globe.

There are still many unanswered questions about London's 7/7 terror plot.

It just seems like a lot of folks here are wired to believe blair over bush, which I see as folly.

[JohMunich99]

1. Well no

I mean I don't trust the British government to protect me. I am an American citizen.

I think Blair has gotten into bed with the wrong people and he brings more people along with him because of his sexy accent. I would say I don't trust Blair or Bush at this point equally. As for British vs. American intelligence. I think they are the same too. Both agencies have foiled plots and both have had plots succeed against them. When it comes down to security though, it's kind of every country for themselves, so I would much rather want my countrymen helping than the Brits.

[MissWaverly]

2. their parliament is far more adult than our Congress

they consider their prime minister as a working member of the Labor Party, not God, Numero
Uno or the one to grovel to, I heard that after G-8, when Blair enterred parliament, the MP's
all yelled Yo' Blair to twit him over Bush. And they are far more objective looking at
what has been going on, they are coming in to work over their recess; they are so incensed
over the Blair/Bush fiasco on Lebanon.

[seabeyond]

3. after hearing about the man that was followed and shot dead

how the story began, and how the story evolved. no i do not see a difference in the two govts. it progressed the same as the terror arrests here in this country. just the same

[El Fuego]

4. Yes, they're not beholden to neocons and the religious right.

Talking about the U.K. government as a whole, NOT Chimpy's pet poodle Tony Blair.

[BooScout]

5. Yes, I live in the UK....

And to some extent they have better safeguards under the Parlimentary system than we do in the States.

The first safeguard is that Blair's Cabinet is made up of elected MPs. If they disagree with him they can resign their post within his government and make a protest of why they are doing so, yet still hold their seat in Parliment and work from within to change the leadership of the Government.

While I don't trust Blair, I still have some faith that the Parlimentary system will prevail.

[Joanne98]

6. NO! What they did to David Kelly. Poor guy.

[lectrobyte]

7. I don't know. I trust the BBC more than NBC, though.

[mwooldri]

9. Agreed & seconded massively.

I wrote an email to Tucker about his interview with a 9/11 critic. He seems to have a very low opinion of British journalism, he stated something to the effect that when people normally quoting UK journalists that they're using effectively dodgy journalism.

The one thing that Tucker forgets is that journalism on TV has to be non partisan and unbiased. It's why Fox News got fined heavily for attacking the BBC's political output and not allowing the BBC to respond. You can be political but you have to have allow an alternative opinion when it comes to politics and UK broadcasting. The papers however can be opinionated as anything - The Sun, The Mirror are not hiding anything when The Sun is a righty paper and The Mirror is a lefty paper.

/Mark

[mwooldri]

8. As a biased Brit, I'd have to say yes.

But then I've had 24 years of that form of government, 11 years of them under Thatcher and 7 under Major.

Blair will be going at some point. Unsure when. Most likely Gordon Brown will become leader of the Labour Party (it's got a U in it btw - U can't have Labour without U working!)

There's many questions still begging to be asked. And if planes need to be blown up there's plenty of them still to go (Mexico, Canada, France, Germany, etc) - and if these are normal household items that can still even be sold airside then if you can't go through security with liquids and yet can then buy them on the airside... that doesn't make sense to me.

Mark.

[CountAllVotes]

10. no I do NOT

I won't elaborate as to why but I do not trust them one tiny little bit. :grr:

:kick:

[tulsakatz]

11. yes, I do

True, Blair has done many questionable things and I don't trust him either. But he certainly appears to be more intelligent than Bush so at least he's got that in his favor.

Although I do wish (just once) he would disagree with Bush on something if for no other reason than to prove to us that he can!!

Truthfully, I don't have a lot of faith in either govt but I tend to believe the Brits over our own.

[Avonrepus]

15. i remember Blair

sucking up to Clinton as well. So it may be more of a political move rather than ideological - trying to cement the 'special relationship' and give Britain some kind of role in world politics as a facilitator between the US and EU. Although saying that, he was the hawk in the Blair-Clinton relationship and is the toady in the current set-up, so maybe I'm wrong and he is a right wing nut.

Either way I am wary of my politicians here in the UK because at least in the US there is a codified constitution and a group supposedly dedicated to its upholding. Whereas in the UK it is really only the conscience of parliament and the dejure (not defacto) power of the EU convention on Human rights that protects us from draconian laws. - see ID cards and more survellience cameras than anywhere else for an example of how those safeguards tend to get ridden rough shod.

[Spazito]

12. I trust neither, both have reason to lie through their teeth....

They lied to get into Iraq and have lied ever since to cover up the initial lies, nothing is beyond them, imo.

[sgxnk]

13. amazing

lets deal with some reality. if the plot was true (and i see no reason to doubt it, but i realize the black helicopter crowd is out in full force on this one), this was going to be a truly horrific act of terrorism.

if the act of terrorism had been carried out, people would be calling bush and blair ineffective in preventing terrorist acts

but since it was prevented - nobody (well practically nobody) here will DARE give props to blair, the british LEO's, and the US (who did assist in the investigation)

iow damned either way. because that's ideology over reality

sure, rightwing politicians are spinning this to their favor. that's what politicians DO. any politician from any party will do that, given the opportunity. for pete's sake. they are politicians

the US used electronic surveillance and decoding. that is also a fact rarely mentioned. iow, they used "spying" and 'wiretapping' and such. controversial subjects to be sure in the past

the US (imo) should not have gone into iraq. that deserves (and gets ) harsh criticism. the US has bungled (to a large extent) the occupation phase. that deserves (and gets) harsh criticism

but, contrarily, when they do things right (bush/blair and co.) they then deserve praise.

there has not been a major terrorist attack on our soil since 9.11. and they have tried . many times.

we thwarted (primarily the brits and hyooogeprops to them) an incredibly nefarious plan

put on your what if glasses, take off yer ideological blinders, and imagine that these guys WERE successful. not only would everybody here be calling for blairs' and probably bush's heads for incompetence, but we would have another horrific act of terrorism against innocents that we did not prevent (a la 911, kobhar towers, WTC I, the cole, etc.)

but lord forbid anybody should give props for preventing a horrific terrorist act

nope. let's instead fire up the black helicopters, and use every excuse in the book to explain away a great success

[Avonrepus]

16. Agreed!

No matter how much I dislike Blair and Bush, I find it inconceivable that they could be guilty of orchestrating a hoax that is no doubt going to cost this country dearly by disrupting two of the busiest airports in the world for weeks to come. Moreover, the idea that this 'hoax' was to cover up for the recent senatorial set back in the US, as some on these boards have suggested, is frankly laughable.

No doubt for those who see 'Loose Change' and 'V for Vendetta' as eye opening pieces of cinema, this will appear as a hoax by the tyranical Blair-Bush axis to further their evil agenda. To normal people however, what happened two days ago was a thwarted terrorist attack that arse hole politicians like Blair will no doubt try and use as political capital, but which was not part of some wider conspiracy for right wing domination.

[sgxnk]

17. cheers and well put

i live not very far from the hendrix gravesite btw

nice avatar!!!

[Individualist]

14. Trust Bush's poodle?

No!