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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:45 AM
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BUSH & CHENEY MUST BE STOPPED (Philadelphia Daily News)
Posted on Fri, Aug. 11, 2006
BUSH AND CHENEY'S REIGN OF ERROR
VEEP SAYS CONN. VOTERS AIDING AL QAEDA. NOW, THAT'S SCARY.

THESE PEOPLE have no shame. Their contempt for democracy is so great they will stop at nothing to undermine it. Their adherence to fundamentalist beliefs that blinds them to reality is frightening. They must be stopped.

...................

America's latest crisis is not what happened in Connecticut; it's what was going to happen in airplanes over the Atlantic.

The immoral and ridiculous claims coming out of the Bush administration's reign of error could ultimately be responsible for the kind of casualties that al Qaeda can only dream of.

much more:
http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/opinion/15249007.htm
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:46 AM
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1. thanks for posting, K & R!
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MNWild Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:06 PM
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21. All who believe in democracy should remind people
at every opportunity that Cheney the Puppetmaster has only one constituency and that is lunatic Texas oil billionaires. Whatever comes out of his mouth should be viewed with that in mind.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:47 AM
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2. K&R
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:48 AM
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3. KnFnR
Muchas gracias!
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:49 AM
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4. When they start blaming terror on voters
it's time for these creeps to go

hopefully to Leavenworth
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:50 AM
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5. Hil Clintons respons to cheney:


Fri Aug-11-06 09:56 AM
Original message

http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/63162

Clinton Denounces Cheney for Terrorism Comments

NEW YORK, NY August 11, 2006 —Senator Hillary Clinton has denounced Vice President Dick Cheney for saying terrorists would be emboldened by the results of Connecticut's Democratic Primary.

...
CLINTON: I don't take anything he says seriously anymore. I think that he has been a very counterproductive even destructive force in our country and I am very disheartened by the failure of leadership from the president and vice president.
...
A spokeswoman for the vice president said his comments on the importance of a strong national security strategy "speak for themselves."


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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:51 AM
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6. the voters of CT need a LOUD response to Cheney (and pulblic)
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:01 PM
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8. But will they?
I'm not judging, I'm probably guilty of feeling a bit beat right yet...

The Vice president says citizens of Connecticut who voted for a democrat aid Al-Quida types (translation...terrorists)... hmmm and the patriot acts says exactly WHAT they can do the them...doesn't it. Aiding terrorists in their view... they can actually do whatever they want to do, and have so far....

What will EVERYONE do about this statement? Accept it, cuz they ain't knocking at their door, ........YET.


I know people who are completely aware of what this all means, are feeling like their heads are ready to pop... but it's a slow death.... inevitable, but slow... we still have, uh... how many days left? thats right 11. The next Armegeddon date. OMG. Yes, this idiot has truly gone insane.

Hilary, if you are going to respond, do it right. Your snide comment, didn't resonate to the core of what Cheney's comment meant. Thought you called it by it's name... guess not. You ought to transcribe to the public WTF Cheney REALLY said, and how the patriot act is BAD FOR THEM.




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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 01:00 PM
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19. they don't understand loud
you have to use their language so they understand:

Cheny's staments need to be met with firm resolve
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DeadManInc Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:16 PM
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41. Time to take off the gloves and pick up the ball bat!
These morans need to be continually beat down with their own bullshit.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:06 PM
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9. Did she say stuff like this before the CT election?
It seems she has become much more strident in the last week or so.
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:06 PM
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28. No
she supported Lieberman.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:17 PM
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82. Then she's probably running scared.
n/t
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:21 PM
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29. Yes
“I think that there has been a concerted effort by this administration, led by the vice president, to consolidate power within the executive to an extent never seen before in our country -- not during civil war, not during world war, not during depression,” Clinton said.

“We’ve paid a big price for their efforts to consolidate power against the whole constitutional theory under which we operate.”

She said this in June and she was calling him the fairy godfather of Halliburton over 2 years ago. She was giving speeches about the right rolling back the clock to the 1900's way back in 2003.

I'm not even a Hillary fan, but she has criticized this administration fairly regularly.
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 12:21 PM
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97. As was predicted
by many DUers ! Surprise, surprise!
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:49 PM
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14. That's EXACTLY how to handle Cheney! Excellent, Sen. Clinton!
That should always be our response to Dick Cheney's outrageous comments.

WHO CARES? He's wildly unpopular and has no credibility.

Excellent work, Senator!
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lutefisk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:52 PM
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16. That's a great quote- implies Cheney's a raving lunatic...n/t
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 07:54 PM
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37. Cheney sounds like a desperate blowhard, no content!!
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jayctravis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 08:04 PM
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90. right...because the middle east is so glued to our state politcs
I mean *I* can't even keep straight who all the senators and reps are in my native language...
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:59 AM
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7. their abuse of power is really hard to take.
When it is still I can hear our founding fathers spinning in their graves. Every thing these men were trying to do Bush and Co, have trashed. Most un-Am. people I have ever seen.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:28 PM
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26. I think it can all be boiled down to ovecompensation issues, at this point
Little else. After all, most of 'em had an opportunity, back during Vietnam, to prove their manhood - and they passed on it. Now, it's Johnny-come-lately, trying to look rough-and-tough and rootin'-tootin' (except for turds like george, for whom it was all about "tootin'").
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:29 PM
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30. "opportunity ...during Vietnam ... to prove their manhood"??
I went.
It didn't "prove" shit.
My "manhood" isn't a question.

Nor is theirs, actually.

It's their sanity, morality, and humanity that's questionable.

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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 07:09 AM
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70. You're right! but I still like the "Chickenhawk" label
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 07:57 PM
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39. similar thinking informs my guess...
there is an underlying cult of necrophilia.

I think of the neoconservatives as loosely a collection of Viet Nam draft dodgers and Zionist hawks. What these groups share is avoidance and fascination with death. It's like a test for them, or a rite of passage that seems to have absorbed their thinking. It peeks-out in other guises like social darwinism gone septic, culture clash and resource wars with the emphasis on survival.

As an outside looking in, I'm guessing; but, you can see these same types of insight in literature.??????????

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PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:35 PM
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48. Looking rough-and-tough
It's funny how they want to look rough-and-tough at others' expense. It's easy to look tough by starting a war and sending other kids to fight and die. When Cheney had the chance to fight in a war, he cried "My knee, my knee" FIVE times. He's such a loser.
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PegDAC Donating Member (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:47 PM
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52. I thought
that was Hastert and Jack Kemp. Cheney had "other priorities".
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PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:23 PM
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61. I believe Cheney had five deferments due to his knee.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 05:58 AM
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68. The founders did not want us into these wars. I think they said
it would be the end of us. They also did not want a society of very rich people as they thought they could buy the gov. And need I say they wanted church out of state at all cost. They looked back on 1000 years of Europe and church/state wars. Just look at our Christian and Muslim far right. You can hardly tell who is who in trying to make you live as they both want. The founders set up gov. so that none of this would happen so I say these people are going against the Constitution and are very un-Am. if not right out trying to over-throw the Constitutions.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 06:54 AM
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69. Throw all un-Constitutional un-Am signing statements in Boston...
...Harbor!! And don't forget to throw all proprietary-secret paperless voting machines along with them!!

Also make sure that the big rotten 'pack' won't pollute the water, even if doin' so requires a damn lotta "hard werk!"

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:49 AM
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79. Sometimes I think the Christian far right is actually jealous of the
Edited on Sat Aug-12-06 10:49 AM by treestar
Muslims of the theocratic Muslim states. They have the power of government behind the religion. The Christian right who tries to claim the US is "a Christian nation" want that kind of power for themselves.

Interesting we attacked Iraq to bring them democracy, and not Saudi Arabia (which has "religious police" - a definite state religion). Likewise we did not attack Pakistan, which is 100% Muslim - it's not legal to be anything else. Those two countries are "islamofascist" in a way Iraq was not - Iraq was merely "fascist."

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ktlyon Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 01:23 PM
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83. you may be right, I can think of no better reason than jealousy
they would like nothing better than to mandate christianity
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 09:40 PM
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92. It has been done before here and there.
Did not work well if I can re-call it.
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NoQuarter Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 01:31 AM
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93. Nope. Peg is right.
Darth had "other priorities."

Hasturd had a "bad knee" and then spent part of the duration in college wrestling.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:10 PM
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10. big kick
that rocked! :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:13 PM
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11. Kick! n/t
:kick:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:43 PM
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12. K&R. I've got to say, kpete...
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 12:56 PM by Kurovski
you sure know how to pick 'em!:thumbsup:

Edit: also, a tip of the hat to members of the fourth estate who still know how to do their jobs.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:46 PM
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13. This is brilliant
To exploit a very real terror threat that could have led to major casualties, and to even indirectly implicate Americans who were exercising their democratic right by going to the polls and making a choice borders on the criminal, to say nothing of the insane.
-----------------------
Bushco wants no opposition. I hope Americans really understand this.
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QuettaKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:50 PM
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15. K&R. nt.
.
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fordnut Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:53 PM
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17. Cheney will say anything
to stay in the white house what a moron.you know that should encourage people to vote democrate.
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The Cleaner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:57 PM
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18. CIA: Osama Helped Bush in '04
CIA: Osama Helped Bush in '04
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/070306.html

On Oct. 29, 2004, just four days before the U.S. presidential election, al-Qaeda leader Osama bin-Laden released a videotape denouncing George W. Bush. Some Bush supporters quickly spun the diatribe as “Osama’s endorsement of John Kerry.” But behind the walls of the CIA, analysts had concluded the opposite: that bin-Laden was trying to help Bush gain a second term.

This stunning CIA disclosure is tucked away in a brief passage near the end of Ron Suskind’s The One Percent Doctrine, which draws heavily from CIA insiders. Suskind wrote that the CIA analysts based their troubling assessment on classified information, but the analysts still puzzled over exactly why bin-Laden wanted Bush to stay in office.

According to Suskind’s book, CIA analysts had spent years “parsing each expressed word of the al-Qaeda leader and his deputy, Zawahiri. What they’d learned over nearly a decade is that bin-Laden speaks only for strategic reasons. …

“Their assessments, at day’s end, are a distillate of the kind of secret, internal conversations that the American public not sanctioned to hear: strategic analysis. Today’s conclusion: bin-Laden’s message was clearly designed to assist the President’s reelection.

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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:39 AM
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78. This is worthy of its own thread...
Nice catch...
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ktlyon Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 01:33 PM
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84. Yes and that would explain why no more attacks here
he is their guy.
Expect something right after the next inauguration, they did it before. There is a transitional period at the beginning of all Presidencys, it takes time to get everything up and running. So we are least prepared and most vulnerable.
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potone Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 02:09 PM
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87. This has been reported before.
It was reported by the BBC, but ignored by the American press. I can't remember the exact words, but it was not subtle, and did not require parsing. It was something to the effect that Bush was an obvious snake and Kerry was less obviously one. Therefore it was better for Bush to be re-elected (sic) because he was the more obvious foe. I remember at the time that all those useless pundits on TV were claiming that al-Quaeda wanted Kerrey to win, and entirely ignored this tape from bin-Laden.
Potone

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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:05 PM
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20. And Sore Loserman parroted Cheney's bluster.
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 02:07 PM by w4rma
Which basically gave both Cheney and LIEberbush a bigger microphone.
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MNWild Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:09 PM
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22. All who believe in democracy should remind people
at every opportunity that Cheney the Puppetmaster has only one constituency and that is lunatic Texas oil billionaires. Whatever comes out of his mouth should be viewed with that in mind.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:09 PM
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23. One of the best Bush/Cheney slams I've read in awhile
The Bushies are reprehensible and they are criminal.
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:23 PM
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24. Yes, Dick, I'm right here!

* waves arms wildly *

Indeed. I live in Connecticut and I voted for Ned Lamont.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:24 PM
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25. CENSURE THE VP!! CENSURE THE VP!!
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:32 PM
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27. Well I guess he lost the war on terror then.
I mean, if voters in Conneticut of all places are siding with the Al-Queda then you have more than enough proof that a large bloc of the public is sympathizing with the enemy. I mean, that wasn't a problem before now, was it?
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:57 PM
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31. Does this mean King George and "his Dick" are going to
have all those who voted for Lamont arrested as traitors under the Patriot Act? Just wondering. In this regime, stranger things could happen. :hide:

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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:03 PM
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32. WHY THE F**K IS OSAMA STILL AT LARGE?
That should be the standard response to the repukes "we're tough on terra and dems are not." Play TV adds of Osama still at large and sending shrub new videos.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:11 AM
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75. A question that bears repeating every time a terrorist siting,foiling,
and any other terrorist loss of civil liberties is lost. The answer most of might agree with is that there is a working arrangement with Osama.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:04 PM
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33. "Has Cheney completely lost it?"
On the surface, one would think so. The sad and scary thing is, the answer is no...he knows completely what he's doing.
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:18 PM
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34. Dick Cheney must be removed from office...
...at the earliest possible moment by any means necessary. The man is worse than a menace and must be tried at an international court for war crimes and other crimes against humanity. In absentia if he slips away and posthumously if his ticker gives out first. This is the only way this once great nation will recover its balance and its credibility in the eyes of the world.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 06:30 PM
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35. Cheney. Worthless. Subhuman. Must go.
Dick "F$!k Yourself" Cheney can lower himself into the fiery reaches of Satan's Playground. He's worthless and subhuman, and deserves being dragged out of office by his heels.
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Blutodog Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 06:47 PM
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36. Cheney ass klown from HELL !
Why do we even bother listening to Herr Cheney anymore?
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TheMirrorMan Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:33 PM
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42. shits like you
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 08:34 PM by TheMirrorMan
prevent me from reading these forums at work.

Assclown. Tone down the f*kin profanity.
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Blutodog Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 08:53 PM
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91. F**cK U!!
F**K U!!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 07:55 PM
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38. Cheney sounds like a desperate blowhard, absolutely no content!!
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long256 Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:02 PM
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40. amusing article since it lacks much in the way of truth
Let's start with "annoyingly consistent with the Bush administration's fundamentalist myth that Iraq had ties to al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden - a claim by now well-discounted, most notably by a presidential commission." First of all, the 9/11 Commission report outlines the ties between Iraq and Bin Laden and al Qaeda, discussing meetings with Iraqi intelligence and Bin Laden and an offer of safe haven in Iraq for Bin Laden. Even the Clinton administration named the connection at least twice. Once from Clinton's defense secretary William Cohen in regard to a bombing of a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan, and once in a Justice Department indictment in 1998 in which Bin Laden is charged with murder for the bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa. Was the Clinton administration lying too?

What about "More people than ever now believe, according to a new poll, that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction"? In the 1980s, Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons (a weapon of mass destruction) to kill thousands in the Iran-Iraq war. In the 70s and 80s, Hussein was also pushing for a nuclear weapons program, set back in 81 when Israel bombed the reactor used to generate source material. In 2004, the U.S. removed 2 tons of low-enriched uranium from Iraq which could be enriched to make a nuclear weapon. Then there's the declassified portion of the National Ground INtelligence Center's report detailing about 500 weapons containing degraded mustard and sarin nerve agents (more weapons of mass destruction).

Then there's "we are no closer to understanding or dismantling the threat of al Qaeda." Try actually reading the 9/11 Commission report and you will understand the formation, expanse and influence of al Qaeda and Bin Laden, enlisting groups from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Oman, Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, Somalia, Eritrea. We understand the threat of al Qaeda all too well, and fortunately, our current leaders understand that dismantling that threat means reducing the sources of support for al Qaeda by bringing democracy to the Middle East
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livingonearth Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:58 PM
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43. Just a few questions
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 10:08 PM by livingonearth
Dear long 256,
Just a few questions. You said in your post that the 911 report outlines the ties between Iraq and Bin Laden and al Qaeda. Could you be more specific as to where in the report it is (chapter, page and so forth). I'm trying to find it. It may enlighten me, who knows?

Also, your examples of Hussein having weapons of mass destruction are based on his 70s and 80s use of poison gas; and, in your words: "the declassified portion of the National Ground INtelligence Center's report detailing about 500 weapons containing degraded mustard and sarin nerve agents."
This is some old stuff. Stuff we(the U.S.) probably provided him with in the first place. Do you call this the kind of WMD we should have invaded a country for?

We had a war with Iraq in the first two months of 1991. No gas turned up; we pretty much obliterated his army, put sanctions on him, and flew a constant watch in the form of a no fly zone. We had the man pinned down and didn't have the mess we have now. Might not there have been a better way to fight terror than to commit the kind of resources we are using in Iraq?

You say we "understand the threat of al Qaeda all too well, and fortunately, our current leaders understand that dismantling that threat means reducing the sources of support for al Qaeda by bringing democracy to the Middle East"

The U.S. is a democracy, and yet al Qaeda operated here on 911. Sure, democracy in the MIddle East would be great, but(assuming we could actually accomplish that) is democracy in that part of the world going to protect us? Does democracy protect Israel?
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long256 Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:27 PM
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62. hope i can answer
In the 9/11 report, I don't remember the pages, and it's a heck of a lot to scan through, but in the second half of chapter 2 the connection is discussed.

The chemical weapons are old, but that doesn't mean they are not still dangerous. http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Iraq_WMD_Declassified.pdf. "While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal." I don't believe we provided him with the chemicals, as Iraq had a rather extensive chemical weapons program including tabun, sarin, mustard, and VX. They also researched methods of prolonging the "shelf life" of these chemicals. One such method was binary chemical weapons, in which the unmixed precursor chemicals are more stable. For example, on May 16, 2004, two U.S. soldiers were treated for minor exposure to a nerve agent when a 152mm artillery shell exploded. Further tests revealed that the shell contained the precursor chemicals for sarin and the explosion ineffectively mixed them. Further more, http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/550kmbzd.asp discusses how most of 50,000 translated documents out of about 2 million found in Iraq and Afghanistan "relate directly to weapons of mass destruction programs and scientists"

The mess we have now is caused by the radicals who have lost a source of support and are making use of the transition into a new government to cause as much damage as possible. They don't want a new government that will oppose them and kick them out. They would rather control the country themselves. They tried resisting the transition, they tried to stop the elections with threats and bombings on voting locations, they tried to stop Iraq's formation of it's own law enforcement force with threats and bombs at recruiting and training locations. Now the Iraqi forces are assuming its role more and more. The current conflict now is an attempt to start a civil war between the religious factions. It all boils down to the enemy being scared and trying one tactic after another.

Yes we are a democracy and al Qaeda hit us on 9/11, but that was an individual attack. I would not be surprised if they have individuals or even small cells here in the country, but we do not support them and they do not operate or train in this country. Will democracy in the Middle East protect us? In the long run it will if it opposes terrorism as well. Despite the continued violence in Iraq, people in Iraq are living much better, freer lives. They're economy is on the rise with new businesses forming, women have more freedom including particpation in the government to name a few examples. These people do not want to go back to a dictatorship such as they had under Saddam. They are standing up to the insurgents with several successful elections despite the threats from the enemy. Their military is growing in size and capability.

As for Israel, Israel has protected itself militarily since its formation. Israel's problem is that it is located in a region where it is surrounded by people that want to destroy them, and not enough of the international community will stand with them in condemning the terrorist groups and their supporters. Everytime Israel is attacked it defends itself and then steps back in an attempt at peace only to be attacked again. And every time, the international community condemns Israel for its actions and not the antagonists that continually attack then retreat and cry to be save from the terrible Jews attacking them.
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ktlyon Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 01:52 PM
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86. check your facts, you don't seem to have any correct but they
right right wing talking points. Do you really think you will find agreement here at this forum or are you her to stir-up some shit?
No one in Iraq is better now than under Saddam most especially women. So you think the religious factions are just killing each other in a planned effort to throw us off track? We have opened the door to civil war and it is moving in and taking root. I refuse to spend a moment more on your education. Bye Bye
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:07 PM
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:20 AM
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76. Great editorial!!
The points should be repeated by every Democrat and liberal pundit out there.

We absolutely have to counter the spin the Dems are weak on National Security. Just because Cheney says so doesn't make it true.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:17 PM
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:34 PM
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47. You won't last long, I see.
Blatant. I tell ya.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:46 PM
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:52 PM
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55. If you disagree with pretty much 100% of the views on this board
Perhaps you'll be happier somewhere else. Maybe this is more your speed:

Free Republic


Of course they'll ban you if you disagree in the least with the theocratic/fascist Bush worshipers over there. However I doubt you would.
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PegDAC Donating Member (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:55 PM
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56. Just how
did the trolls get in here?
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:16 PM
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60. It's Friday night
They always come in packs on Friday night.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:46 PM
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51. Do you ever think that if we didn't wrongly invade and occupy Iraq,
That none of this crap would be happening? This is what the warmongering imperialistic SOBs asked for, and it's what they got. How many women and children have our own soldiers raped and killed? How can you claim they are any better than Al Qaeda?


Cheney, et all, are wrong. Glad to break it to you.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:49 PM
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53. Youre living proof of what the cumulative result of years of inbreeding
can do to one's brain.

Get lost ya fucking moron.
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livingonearth Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:50 PM
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54. Hey balbrec1
Hey balbrec1

You say "A government comprised of Ned Lamonts and John Murthas would give the terrorists exactly what they want. Sorry, but in other words, a government comprised of Ned Lamonts and John Murthas would aid Al Qaeda (um...by giving them exactly what they want)."

Having said that, ask yourself this: how does having the U.S. in Iraq hurt Al Qaeda? Answer=it doesn't! Al Qaeda doesn't mind that we are pinning ourselves down in Iraq. And, that being there makes us look like invaders to the Arab world. The U.S. having the status of an occupying invader IS giving them what they want.
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PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:55 PM
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57. How come you're not in Iraq fighting Al Qaeda?
Umm, I hate to break it to you, but since we have invaded Iraq, Al Qaeda has most likely doubled or tripled in size. The longer we stay in Iraq (and rape and kill the civilians), the larger the size of Al Qaeda. I would take the advice of a John Murtha or Wes Clark anytime over the "advice" of chickenhawks like Dick "FIVE deferments" Cheney or George "too much a loser to complete my National Guard Service" Bush. It's easy to be tough when it's someone else's life on the line and not your own.

It seems you're not really an enlightened Democrat but a cave-dwelling Republican, so I won't expect to see your posts here anymore.

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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:58 PM
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58. I should take lessons from you.
Great debating skills you have there. Welcome to DU. :hi:
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PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:32 PM
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63. Thank you! That's nice to hear.
I'm so angry about what has happened to our country.

I love being able to rant on DU. Most of the people I know won't discuss politics or don't care!

Welcome back to you! :hi:
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emmadoggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 09:02 AM
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71. Hi, PinkyisBlue.
Welcome to DU.

"I love being able to rant on DU. Most of the people I know won't discuss politics or don't care!"

I'm in the exact same boat!! It feels great to be able to come here and commiserate with like-minded folks.
And it's frightening that so many don't want to discuss it or don't care about what's going on. It's a big problem and one that has
contributed to getting us into this mess to begin with! Of course, with the incomplete and scewed view most are getting in the MSM it's
somewhat understandable I guess, but it's infinitely frustrating to me.

Again, Welcome! :hi:
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PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 07:30 AM
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95. Greetings, emmadoggy, and welcome to DU to you!
I love reading what everyone on DU has to say about what's going on.

I wish people would look at what they're hearing and seeing in the news with a healthy dose of skepticism; maybe we're not being taught how to think critically in school (or from our families).

I remember one class in high school which exposed me to advertising, and showed how the ads manipulate people into wanting to buy the product. We need to be taught to "think outside the box". However, it appears that with legislation like "no child left behind", there won't be any room for discussions on critical thinking. The last thing a dictator like George Bush wants is a population of critical thinkers.
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PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 07:30 AM
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96. Greetings, emmadoggy, and welcome to DU to you!
Edited on Sun Aug-13-06 07:31 AM by PinkyisBlue
I love reading what everyone on DU has to say about what's going on.

I wish people would look at what they're hearing and seeing in the news with a healthy dose of skepticism; maybe we're not being taught how to think critically in school (or from our families).

I remember one class in high school which exposed me to advertising, and showed how the ads manipulate people into wanting to buy the product. We need to be taught to "think outside the box". However, it appears that with legislation like "no child left behind", there won't be any room for discussions on critical thinking. The last thing a dictator like George Bush wants is a population of critical thinkers.:hi:
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Raydawg1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:18 PM
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46. K & R
nice article
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:43 PM
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49. One of the best reads i've had in quite awhile
thanks
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:00 PM
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59. Read my latest journal entry..........
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Tekla West Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:52 PM
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64. Stop them in November
The 'pubs must go. Then they need to be tried for treason, with capitol charges attached, and after we hang them, send them off the Hauge to face trial for crimes against humanity, bush, cheney, rice, rummy, the lot.

There is a humor in the fact they built the prisons they will end thier lives in.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:24 AM
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65. This only makes Cheney look foolish....
Face it, Bush and Cheney need al-Qaeda now more than ever. Without a terrorist threat we have no need for a "war president" and the administration knows it. They are empowering al-Qaida by playing right into their desire for a violent confrontation. Lamont is not a threat to America, he is a threat to the whole fragile house of cards upon which the administration is built.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 01:29 AM
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66. thx for posting....n/t
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 01:43 AM
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67. Impeach the Bastard and his buddy Bush! NOW! eom
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:02 AM
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73. That would be a way to stop them.
We just have no consensus in the govt. that they want to do this. They use phrases like keep your powder dry. Which makes no sense to me.
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 09:53 AM
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72. What shocks me...
Is that this editorial is from the Philadelphia Daily News... which is the tabloid style blue collar conservative paper in town. When the conservative papers call for the current cabal to be taken down, it shows that the working guy in the streets is fed up....
The liberal newspaper is the Philly Inquirer, which has consistantly taken a different view...
(read the Inquirer's liberal political writer's blog: http://www.dickpolman.blogspot.com I never miss it...



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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:09 AM
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74. I am so proud to say I am from PHILLY!! GO INKY!!
Wow...
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timontheleft Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:27 AM
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77. Great article; thanks for posting; K&R . . . nt
:dem:
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specimenfred1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:15 AM
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80. Child beating is more popular than Chumley
23% of people support hitting a child and only 19% approve of Dickless Chumley.

Says a lot.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:57 AM
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81. What presidential commission discounted Iraq ties to al Qaeda?
"This is stunningly ignorant logic, as well as annoyingly consistent with the Bush administration's fundamentalist myth that Iraq had ties to al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden - a claim by now well-discounted, most notably by a presidential commission."


WHAT COMMISSION WHAT THIS? ANYONE HAVE A LINK TO THE SPECIFIC WRITING?
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 01:51 PM
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85. agreed...
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 05:57 PM
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88. I Hate al-Qaeda...
...but I won't lose my freedom in order to defeat them. So take *that*, Cheney! You are just as bad as al-Qaeda! I want *you* stopped, right along with the terrorists!

Tammy
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 07:16 PM
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89. FUCK CHENEY and the DUMB ONE TOO!!
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JohMunich99 Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 01:41 AM
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94. You are just realizing this now... and for this allegation!
Whoa man, where have you been?!?! They should have been stopped in 2000 for stealing the election!
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 12:35 PM
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98. NY Daily News' Lupica joins in
Over at the NY Daily News, acerbic sportswriter Mike Lupica has also weighed in in this weeks Sunday column: Thanks Mike!

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/443002p-373128c.html
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