I wouldn't watch the twin towers movie if you paid me

[donsu]

and I can only look at snippets of the ads for it on TV, it makes me so angry.

it's a disgraceful piece of propaganda.

a cruelty to the families of the victims.

they want movie goers to remember the fiction movie over the reality of what really happened.

the movie should be protested and picketed.

and I look askance at the money backers, producers, directors, and actors.

[geiger]

1. I cant stand the tho't of watching such a thing either

plus I still havent gotten over the JFK movie, which was a total distortion and perversion of the facts, in my estimation. I walked out.

[LibraLiz1973]

58. Out of curiousity-

What disturbed you about JFK?

[hippiechick]

2. same here

n/t

[wtmusic]

3. When they make a movie about our atrocities in Iraq

it would make a nice double feature

[Union Thug]

4. I won't watch it. We get enough official propaganda

to make my head spin. I don't need the hollywood version to add to the cloud.

I'm not sure I would protest or picket it. That would draw too much attention to the film and probably attract more viewers. Personally, I'm just ignoring it.

[calimary]

110. Nor do I. I have no desire to relive it. Going through it once was enough.

Besides, I feel as though I live in its shadow every day - every day that bush and his pals are not held accountable for their part in it.

[bigtree]

5. thank you nt

[sgxnk]

6. if it's a cruelty to the families of the victims

where are the families of the victims making this claim

iirc, stone worked closely with some victims families, and had their support in the making of this movie

[LibraLiz1973]

8. Also it isn't at all cruel to the victims

Watch before you trash it. It's actually very dignified.

[sgxnk]

13. i agree

i haven't trashed it at all

from everything i hear it is a pretty good movie

i'm not sure whom you are referring to (i am assuming the OP) since my claim is that i see no evidence that it has trashed the victims and.o0r their families

[LibraLiz1973]

34. I was addressing the OP, just to back your point up

But I worded it poorly- my bad!

[sgxnk]

48. np cheers nt

[donsu]

12. it is my opinion that it is a cruelty

nt

[sgxnk]

15. fair enuf

from what i have heard, i have seen no evidence of same.

imo, everything points to very respectful treatment

but we can agree to disagree

[LibraLiz1973]

17. But seriously.... Cruel HOW?

Having seen the movie, your comment comes off kind of Ann Coulter-ish. Is it cruel because you say so or do you have an actual reason?

[donsu]

21. because 9/11 was an inside job

nt

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

27. Uh huh.

And the bullshit inflicted on the survivors by the MIHOP brigade isn't completely obscene? Having your dead family members being accused of being conspirators in some weird plot isn't obscene? Have you no shame?

[titoresque]

36. Oh that's just ignorant

The "MIHOP brigade" has never accused or even implied that dead family members were part of this.

Do some research. Or is it just more comfortable being ignorant?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

40. One name: Barbara Olson.

And I don't care if she's a fucking republican or not. Explain to me why it's OK to drag her through the mud for the perverse pleasure of consipracy addicts?

Another name: Jason Dahl, the pilot of Flight 93. This bullshit about him buying "nice things" for his family (and where did he get the money) was way out of line.

I could go on and on. But you don't care, so why bother?

[titoresque]

46. Here's another name: Mark Brigham

Caller: "Mom? This is Mark Brigham."

Caller: "I want you to know that I love you. I'm on a flight from Newark to San Francisco and there are three guys who have taken over the plane and they say they have a bomb."

Alice: "Who are these guys?

Caller: (after a pause) "You believe me, don't you?

Caller: "Yes, Mark. I believe you. But who are these guys?

(After another pause the line went dead.)

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

53. Thanks for proving my point.

Any other dead people you'd like to smear today?

[titoresque]

57. No, but I need to call my mom now

I should probably let let her know who it is by my full given birth name. She's only known me for over 30 years....she might not know who's calling.

[LibraLiz1973]

60. If your plane was being hijacked

and you were having your last conversation on earth
you might also say some weird shit



just saying.........

[titoresque]

63. Yeah I heard that on

Fox news too. And yeah, I'd probably speak really calm while I'm saying the stupid shit. And I'd probably be able to make the call from my cell phone even 6 months before calls like that were possible to make. And my fellow passengers probably wouldn't have any problems making their calls either. Seems so simple and probable.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

61. At least her kid's still alive.

Unlike Mrs Dahl.

[titoresque]

67. Do you seriously think

anyone who believes 911 was an inside job doesn't hurt over all these senseless deaths? Do you seriously believe that if people like me just shut up about it things would be better? That the victims families would feel less pain? If so, you're delusional.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

69. No.

All I asked was that the MIHOPers stop insulting dead people who cannot defend themselves by claiming that they were part of some weird conspiracy. You said that this never happened. I provided two examples. That's it.

[titoresque]

72. Bullshit

being part of it in the context you're placing MIHOPers is false. They were victims of it.

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[SoCalDem]

93. you rascal.. she would have needed a bigger lap as far as I am concerned

It's too bad she hadn't chartered the damned plane for all her "little pals" too numerous to even mention

:spank: me.. I am :evilgrin: and I know it :P

[LibraLiz1973]

38. But what does the movie have to do with that?

The movie isn't about 9/11................ It makes no judgement one way or another as to who brought the building down - It's called WORLD TRADE CENTER- not September 11

[titoresque]

42. Because the WORLD TRADE CENTER

was LEVELED on 9/11 as part of the PNAC agenda. If you can't see the connection as to why the movie exploits the needless and grotesque deaths of thousands of people and indeed our US Constitution then yeah, your recommendation for seeing the movie is noted. Some of us however, see a bigger picture.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

47. As opposed to the conspiracy theorists...

...who expoit the needless and grotesque deaths of thousands of people for their own strange ends...

[titoresque]

54. Their "strange ends"

could someday save your ignorant ass from a concentration camp. But they're probably not building those either, huh?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

55. Is there something wrong with the 9/11 forum today? n/t

[titoresque]

59. Not sure why don't you check.

Afterall you came into a thread where you obviously don't want to be.

[LibraLiz1973]

62. Unfortunately the bigger picture

features scary people making movies to hypnotize us into thinking......... into thinking what,exactly?


I think your out of control with the conspiracy theories- think what you want about what happened,but your way off base with the movie and it makes you sound nuts

[titoresque]

70. You're the one who sounds nuts

Search out the official version. Read about it again.
Then watch Loose Change 2nd edition. Then pull your head out.

[LibraLiz1973]

78. I've read the entire 9/11 Commission Report

And I've watched alot of the videos and read alot of the internet theories about how it "really" happened.

I do believe some additional things went down that weren't mentioned in the Official Report- but that said...


I always go back to the obvious- if it was a big right wing plan, why did they let Bush look so fuckin stupid that day? Why did they do nothing with the August PDB?
If they did do it, it was the shoddiest plan ever. They made themselves look even dumber

[titoresque]

79. Yeah so dumb that they were able to start an illegal war

torture innocent people. Kill thousands more. Enact the Patriot Act. Steal a second election. Declare an endless "War on Terror"
oh and they're probably drinking oil and bathing in money as we type.

But yeah, they looked really stupid.

Did you watch Loose Change? I suspect that you haven't. I'll send you a link if you'd like.

[LibraLiz1973]

80. If it was all staged

why werent the terrorists Iraqi?
It would have made things alot easier for GW and pals

[titoresque]

82. Why?

Why does it have to be easier when people just buy the official version?
We're in Iraq right? And soon we'll be in Iran and Syria, and then most likely N. Korea.

And all the while people will give up more and more freedom and believe.

911 (or something equally as devastating)was necessary in order to enact
the Patriot Act. Necessary to divide and conquer. Necessary fear. Necessary to declare an endless war on terror. For every person we kill we create 100 more who hate us. We're in for a serious ass kicking. I'd just rather know who really started it, before I board a FEMA bus on my way to a "safe" place.

[NYCGirl]

123. I'd like to know the answer to that one, too. Why, if it was staged,

didn't they make the hijackers Iraqi? Would've saved a whole lot of time.

[DemonFighterLives]

121. I'm sorry to tell you

that reading the commission report was your first mistake. It is all hogwash.
:dem:

[titoresque]

25. My reason for thinking it cruel is

that it should have never happened. Brave heros should have NEVER resulted from a false flag operation carried out by our own government in order to further a one world order. It's sickening and I won't sit through the bullshit!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

29. Indeed. The bullshit.

[LibraLiz1973]

7. Just want to let you know

The movie does not have a political agenda at all. I'm positive of this because I SAW it- I didn't just guess that it was propaganda because any movie about 9/11 must be.


Your way off base. If you don't want to see it, fine. Thats your choice. But you should know it isn't at all what you think it is. It's definitely not the best movie I've ever seen but it is far from the worst.

[bigtree]

9. the hyped commercials are enough to make me vomit

[Human Torch]

10. I recently posted a "do we need this movie" thread...

...and got a combination of folks acknowledging it as exploitation, others taking me to task for criticizing the great golden god Oliver Stone, some who said I shouldn't criticize it without seeing it first, plus one prick who said I didn't care about the survivors. That's OK, some of my threads function as highly potent prick magnets.

:evilgrin:

I think the movie is a bad idea, but if someone wants to "heal" by watching Nicolas Cage as a faux-Bernie Kerik figure emote across the screen for two hours, it's their business (and money), not mine.

[SammyWinstonJack]

11. I wouldn't watch if the tickets were free. And the TV ads sicken me.

[LibraLiz1973]

14. The TV ad sickens you because?????

[bigtree]

19. I really can't put my finger on why they sicken me

they just do. It feels like exploitation, I suppose. But maybe you shouldn't pick at folks who can't stomach this. Many of our feelings are deeply tucked away at this point. I don't see the purpose in dreging them back up.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

31. Just to clear up one thing...

Very frequently the director of the film has little or no control over how it is marketed - particularly the TV spots. So I wouldn't attribute anything from the TV spots to the intention of the director, or to the content of the film itself in anything except the most literal way.

[bigtree]

it just hurts, hurts deep. Everything around it hurts me

the documentaries strike me the same, although some are important for history.

The dramatization of it all just nauseates me. I can see where others will have a different view. I don't think opposition should be a crusade, though. (no protests, petitions etc.) I hope folks find what they need in it. Just not for me.

[donsu]

45. he could have turned down the director's job

nt

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[The_Casual_Observer]

16. Exploitation of a tragic event for profit.

[LibraLiz1973]

20. All I can say is

It definitely was not exploitive.

[The_Casual_Observer]

37. By definition, a Hollywood movie shown at the megaplex

with the title "9/11" is exploitation, regardless of how much bogus sentiment they employ in the delivery.

[LibraLiz1973]

41. The title of the movie is not 9/11

And does that Mean Fahrenheit 9/11 was exploitive?


Sometimes the belief that everyone is in on some conspiracy to exploit everything and brain wash everyone is a wee bit crazy.

[The_Casual_Observer]

52. I wouldn't even dignify the garbage by bothering to find out what

what the hell they are calling it. I reject the notion of the piece of shit at face value.

[deaniac21]

18. I still can't watch and WWII movies.

[halobeam]

22. I haven't seen it. I'm just beginning to read about it.

I'm not judging it either way right now. My gut tells me it couldn't possibly tell all of the facts accurately, because we don't have them yet. I think it's just too early for it to have given such an important historical event, the time it needs to have more facts come out.

So, will I see it? I have to understand a lot more about it first, to do that.

[LibraLiz1973]

56. It portrays what happened to the 2 men accurately

Again- it does NOT deal with why the planes crashed into the building!! It never mentions Osama. It does not address that at all.

This particular movie did not need more facts about 9/11 to tell the story of these 2 men trapped under the rubble for countless hours.

People are picking it apart because they seem to think the movie portrays the day and the months after. It does not. Other than a 2 minute clip at the end telling you what happened to the men it does not say anything about what happened AFTER Sept. 11

[Name removed]

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[bigtree]

130. one more time . . . Enough of the labeling of DUers

I don't know who ** you are but you don't have a right to come here smear folks as republicans just because you disagree with them about their opinion of a movie. A MOVIE for shitsakes!!!

As for 'ignorant' and 'closed-minded' go, YOU seem to be the only one intolerant of other's views in this case. You've made two sly attacks on the character of folks who you are in absolutely NO position to know ANYTHING about personally. In the face of your broad brush smear, it's a wonder why ANYONE would bother to share ANYTHING of themselves with you.

This needs to stop here and now.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

23. So don't fucking watch it.

Are we going to end up like the freepers, protesting fucking movies? There are about eight billion things in this world more important than Olver Stone's fucking movie. Jesus christ.

[geiger]

26. You are right

there are just some of us that need time....

[titoresque]

32. No sorry. Wrong.

People need to wake up, and take every opportunity that comes along to speak out. 911 was an inside job. No one should have died that day.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

35. Why don't you go speak out...

...in the 9/11 forum?

[titoresque]

39. Why don't you just put me on ignore?

I would welcome that.

[reichstag911]

91. If he won't, I will...

...you're just obsessed and plain rude, not to mention ignorant of the premise of the movie. As a matter of fact, between this and the Israel/Lebanon war and the closed minds (on both sides) in that debate, I'm really racking up the Ignores.

[titoresque]

96. Then I guess you won't see this:

You've got an avatar of "V" and your name is "reichstag911" and you call me ignorant? Hmmmmm. Alrighty then. :crazy:

[madmunchie]

76. Fine, then USE the movie to make your point!

[LordLovesAWorkingMan]

104. Yawn....

Do you have conclusive proof that doesn't rely on someone's strong convictions?

[titoresque]

111. The more important question is:

do you?

[LordLovesAWorkingMan]

119. Sorry, I believe in things that actually happened

Not things that are necessary in order to justify my politics.

[titoresque]

131. Wonderful news!

You're the type who believes in things that actually happened! Well then my friend have I got a movie for you!

http://www.loosechange911.com/

[donsu]

28. neo con propaganda is important

nt

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

33. Oliver Stone isn't a neoconservative. n/t

[LibraLiz1973]

43. Ding Ding Ding!!

That's what I'm sitting here thinking. Now we're supposed to picket a movie that doesn't lean to the right at all?

[fishwax]

24. i usually make it a point not to picket art that i haven't seen

i don't know whether it's propaganda or not, not having seen it. I probably won't see it either, though, at least not until it comes out on video.

But it's by Oliver Stone, so I doubt it's mindless propaganda--highly inaccurate is still a possibility, of course.

[Jed Dilligan]

30. I know someone in the movie

From his reports it's more a technical tour de force than anything else. Oliver Stone is no republican, though I question his judgment in releasing the film now instead of 2011 (if it has to be a "significant" anniversary). Of course the media will be soaked with reminders ahead of the midterms so I doubt it will have much impact one way or another. For all I know, not having seen the film, there will even be some liberal spin tossed in. As of now it seems like Gore's film is rightfully getting a lot more attention.

Also, your contention that "they" want movie goers to remember the "fiction movie" over "what really happened" is pretty bizarre. Considering "what really happened" for the vast majority of Americans was a television production. I wouldn't outright condemn Stone's movie as being further from the truth than what the networks broadcast on the day. I would predict that the two versions are pretty close, in fact.

Was "Platoon" a cruelty to the victims of the Vietnam War? How many years is long enough to wait before making movies about tragedies?

I don't believe in protesting any work of art, even a dreadful one, especially when there are unjust wars to protest instead, but also on an absolute scale of not-good things to do.

[LTR]

129. Well, "U-Turn" was a cruelty to people who like movies

Sorry, just trying to lighten up this thread.

:spank:

[LibraLiz1973]

44. If you think the movie is propaganda

you'd probably shit and egg roll @ the sight of REAL propaganda

[titoresque]

49. Like what? The official version of 911?

Like that sort of propaganda?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

64. Yes. I prefer the MIHOP version.

[LibraLiz1973]

68. I'm going to ask... I don't want to but I have to

What does MIHOP stand for

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

74. Link enclosed.

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/MIHOP

[titoresque]

75. Made it happen on purpose n/t

[donsu]

51. what do you think the movie is?

nt

[Jersey Devil]

50. I have 2 good reasons for not seeing it

1 - I saw it the first time on 9/11 from Jersey City (Hudson Harbor). That was enough for me.

2 - Nicholas Cage is the worst actor in the world.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

65. 3 - Oliver Stone hasn't made a good movie since "Platoon" n/t

[LibraLiz1973]

66. lol- see, there I back you up

Those are 2 good reasons.

[uppityperson]

134. WRONG!

Jim Carey is the worst actor in the world. Or maybe Ronald Raygun. Nicholas Cage is just weirdly creepy.

[madmunchie]

71. I believe in facing whatever is going on and has happened

Why not make the movie? 9/11 happened, it has almost been 5 years, how long is a good amount of time to pass before the movie should be made?

This reminds me of the Pugs trying to control movies on TV and at the theater.

Nobody has to see the movie if they don't want to, it isn't being forced down our throats.

It is a historical event. It happened. It affected all of us, why not make a movie of it?

I think that the outrage about this movie is misplaced. The outrage should be going to ongoing atrocities, like Iraq, Israel, Lebanon, Darfur. THAT is where our outrage belongs, not for some movie about a day in the U.S. that will ALWAYS be a source of interest and study. Not talking about it doesn't make it go away, Not dealing with it means that we are not ready to deal with it. I think that we are ready and that the "story" should be mainstreamed and kept alive. It is something that happened in our lives much like when JFK was assassinated. It will always be in the media, whether documentary form, dramatic form, print form or on the internet. Much like all of the other historical world events. Why people are so freaked out about this historical event going down the same road as so many other historical events is hard to understand.

How much time should pass before making a movie is allowed? Ten years, Twenty years, Fifty Years? Is time really the measure that we use to revisit historical events? Or is accuracy and quality the measure.

By not making the movie are we not saying that media needs to be controlled? Whether by Left or Right, isn't it the point that it shouldn't be controlled by anybody? Freedom of speech also means revisiting painful events that may be interpreted by people other than ourselves who just may share beliefs very opposite of ours. We do not have the "all knowing" authority or blessing to decide what is suitable for movie material and what isn't for everybody else. Just because you find something repulsive or revolting doesn't mean that you are right. It just means that you probably shouldn't go see the movie because you aren't ready to.

[jayfish]

73. From What I Have Heard The Movie...

doesn't delve into anything other than the story of a couple first responders and their tragedy. No attempt is made to get into anything of a political nature. To each his own I guess.

Jay

[donsu]

84. is this a true story of some firefighters and their families or a made up

story?

and does the story of the firefighters include the fact that many are either sick or dead from the toxic air that the EPA lied and said was clean?

[jayfish]

85. My Reading Says It's A True Story...

of two Port Authority officers who were trapped in the collapse and were eventually freed. I don't think it goes into anything about what happened before or after the attack.

Jay

[donsu]

87. ok, thanks for the info

nt

[Telly Savalas]

112. How can you declare it a propaganda piece without even

knowing what the fucking film is about?

[slackmaster]

99. To some, any mention of the tragic events of 9/11/2001 = "propaganda"

I suppose.

[Freddie Stubbs]

77. "the movie should be protested and picketed."

But I suppose that for some reason you won't be doing that.

[sabbat hunter]

81. how do you know

its propoganda and fiction of what really happened if you havent bothered to see it?

[reichstag911]

101. Faith-based movie reviews...

...courtesy of DU's finest.

[uppityperson]

83. I don't do "Chick Movies"

well, I do, and this isn't, but I don't feel the need to watch it. If I want to watch a "hero" movie, can find others not associated with 911/twin towers, etc

[mnhtnbb]

86. Just returned from seeing the movie. It strikes me as a love story

between the two men who were trapped and their families. It's also a story of how these two guys kept each other alive, hoping for rescue. Only 20 people came out of the rubble alive; these guys were #18/19.

What bothered me, though, was the Marine who was on a "mission from God"
who was involved in locating the trapped Port Authority cops, and the suggestion that by later re-enlisting to serve in Iraq he was going after those responsible for 9/11. That doesn't come until credits at the end of the movie.

I thought Stone would have been above allowing that kind of propaganda
to be disseminated in the movie. But as a story, it's engrossing to be caught up in the lives of these two ordinary guys.

[RamboLiberal]

95. Stone allowed that cause it is a true part of the story

I probably consider the Marine a RW evangelical whacko but like our Dear Leader he felt he was on a Mission from God. Stone just portrayed him as he was. Let the viewer decide.

BTW, haven't seen the movie yet, but will either tonight or over the weekend.

[reichstag911]

102. Unlike our Dear Leader, however,...

he managed to make it to a war zone.

[RamboLiberal]

106. Hey Dear Leader made it there Days Later for his Bullhorn Moment

so Tweety and other pundits would cream their pants watching his bravery. :sarcasm:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

88. I Love Nothing More Than Reviews Based On Sheer Ignorance.

Those are the best kind LOL

Funniest part of it is that the movie itself is so completely not as you describe nor worthy of what you request. Course, that comes as no surprise since you haven't friggin seen it. :rofl:

[mitchum]

94. Me neither, I'm not really into tragedy sentimentality

[Bethany Rockafella]

97. I just think it's still too soon.

It's still fresh in our memories, even though a lot of us weren't there.

[slackmaster]

98. Every review I've read indicates just the opposite regarding propaganda

I'm not eager to see it either, but that's because the subject matter, any time I see footage of planes hitting the towers or the towers falling, always upsets me. You can't deny the factual reality of those events.

Yesterday I watched the Discovery Channel made for TV movie The Man Who Predicted 9/11, a documentary about the life and death of Rick Rescorla, who was in charge of security for Morgan Stanley in the WTC. I was not familiar with his story before seeing that. I was ruined for the rest of the day. (Other than that, highly recommended.)

[Odin2005]

103. I'm planning on seeing it.

Oh, and who let the MIHOP crazies out?.. :yoiks:

[Name removed]

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[Make7]

114. You copy and paste all that and don't even link to their website...

... so people can see what they are saying?

Interesting....

For anyone that would like to check it out: http://www.st911.org

- Make7

[titoresque]

116. Thanks you're right. n/t

[earth mom]

127. Bravo!!! I've been cheering your posts on all through this thread!

You go girl! :applause:

And who the hell let the rabid freeper dogs out tonight?! They sure are foaming at the mouth! Can't have the MIHOP truth about 9/11 be known now can they? It makes their "leader" look bad. :puke:

[sweetheart]

105. I look forward to consuming their propaganda

I am the forgetfulness of time,
and everything they will ever say or do,
i've already forgotten.

As one of the world trade center dead,
i would gladly see a deconstruction of what
they're selling my life was about,
and what it would stand for in death.

And goddam i'll say my review on DU or wherever
best allows, to let anyone know, who's curious
for a less facile diagnosis of the truth,
what someone who they might have killed that day
feels about it.

The people who "could" have died in that attack,
would make an interesting thinktank of advise,
as to what exactly was under attack,
and our system of western imperial liberlaism,
owninging the planet through private equity,
and opaque credit swaps that obscure and conceal
all responsibility in offshore legal arrangements.

So maybe the towers were the orthanc of saruman,
where the voodoo of ownership and the puppet hand
purse strings of empire, pulled by the lazy hearts
of couch-attached urban slaves to comfort.

[KoKo]

108. Nope...not this DU'er, either. I will not Go Out to see it/ Will not Rent

I saw enough that morning and to see it go off into a movie with nothing "new" to add to it except "emotional exploitation" so close to November Elections makes me question it's value.

[SmokingJacket]

109. Me neither. 3000 dead people is not entertainment.

And I have no desire to relive that awful day.

[reichstag911]

115. Did you see Schindler's List? nt

[treestar]

113. I am so sick of people who use 911 to make money or gain power

there is no way I would go see it.

I have had it with exploitation of 911.

[bluestateguy]

117. I'll watch it

and decide for myself what to think of it. Oliver Stone is not in the business of making movies for BushCo.

[sproutster]

118. Not that anyone specifically asked me

The movie trailers made me feel "icky."

I cannot go chill and chomp on popcorn while this story - those victims - those fellow humans who went though that in real live life ... On my flipping television while I cried my eyes out for all of them. I already felt the pain and the sorrow that a person who was not physically there can feel. I felt inspired by flight 93 (sorry guys I'm talking timeline of 9/11 for me personally while going through it). No movie will ever ever ever top that.

I have heard it is good. I still feel... ick about it. Those people are still around and instead of helping I'm enriching someone who's already rich (wonder what kind of payout he would have been?)

Needless to say, I wont be going. But I won't be protesting. Movies, books, writings, poetry... music. The freedom to write it we still have and I support any of it in these dark days. If we lose - Some strident voice WILL in fact make it dissapear and we wont have the option of decision. It will be made for us.

:) Uh, happy friday?

[NYCGirl]

124. BTW, 10% of the film's proceeds for the first five days of release are

going to 4 WTC charities.

http://www.lowermanhattan.info/news/world_trade_center_film_68969.aspx

World Trade Center Film to Donate to NYC Charities

Producers of Oliver Stone's new film, World Trade Center, plan to donate 10 percent of the film's the first five days of ticket sales from every U.S. theater to four New York-based charities. The film opens Wednesday, August 9th, and will screen in more than 2,000 theaters nationwide. It recounts the story of Port Authority police officers Will Jimeno and John McLoughlin, who were rescued from beneath the rubble of the World Trade Center (WTC) site.

Fifty percent of the donations will go to the WTC Memorial Foundation. "It's our sacred obligation to remember the innocent victims and honor the sacrifice of the many brave individuals who gave their lives in the September 11th attacks," said Joseph Daniels, the foundation's acting president. "This contribution will help ensure that the memory of those heroes lives on through the World Trade Center Memorial. Visitors to the Memorial will be able to reflect upon the enormity of the loss and the triumph of the human spirit which are the heart of 9/11. By sharing in the many stories of that day through this film and through the Memorial and Memorial Museum, we celebrate the resolve and spirit of the American people."

The remaining fifty percent of the total donation will be equally divided between Tuesday's Children, the Tribute WTC Visitor Center, and the New York Police and Fire Widow's and Children's Benefit Fund.

[pooja]

120. From what I understand, the movie is based on a firefighter

and his family and the struggle on that day. I am not sure how in-depth the movie goes with propaganda. I would actually have to watch it to make a fair assesment. But before ya'll go crazed into the night, I will remind you of what you say to the r.w. nuts who spoke ill against all those movies we said "its just a movie, don't watch it if you don't want to" Da Vinci Code...

[The Straight Story]

122. Don't go to 9/11 forum then, they relive it every hour it seems...

Videos if impact, etc and so on.

[Zynx]

133. Funny how they can watch those videos so much and never learn anything

That forum is a waste of bandwidth.

[American liberal]

125. Although I don't feel as strongly as the OP,

I won't go see it, and probably won't rent it. It's still too fresh.

In fact, there's a Chevy commercial that was playing in my market for a while where it showed people free-falling in front of a skyscraper. I almost lost it the first time I saw the commercial. I found it to be in very bad taste (I think others did too, 'cause I haven't seen it lately).

9/11 was my version of a Kennedy or MLK assassination. That day will forever be etched in my mind--a regular Tuesday morning, getting ready for work, watching Good Morning America, then they cut to a "Special Report," and there I was watching the second jet crash into the tower live on TV as it actually happened, then again and again and again and again and again...

driving to work listening to the radio reports of the jet flying into the Pentagon, contrasted against the perfect, pristine, late-summer day, not a cloud in the sky, then another plane going down in Pennsylvania, but not really knowing why or if it was part of the terror that was going on all over on that perfect late-summer day...

sitting at work in the main conference room with 50, maybe 75, of my coworkers watching the first tower crumble live on TV as it happened, and saying out loud and to no one in particular, "What about the people? Did they get out?" Other then gasps and a couple of "Oh, nos!" nobody said a word as we watched the terror unfold live on TV and thousands of people die just like that, some having to choose between burning to death or jumping to their deaths...

The hush that lay over everything for the next three days when the jets quit flying.

I'm in Chicago, 1000 miles from Ground Zero and 9/11 made me feel like my entire family was in the towers when the jets crashed. My office closed early. Nobody was getting anything done. We were all walking around dazed. I immediately went home and called each and every member of my immediate family (parents, brothers, sisters in law) for no other reason than to hear their voices and know they were OK and to tell them I loved them. And then watching the towers blow up over and over and over and over...

Nope, I am not now and maybe not ever ready to see that gruesome day depicted on the Big Screen. The reality of it when it happened was plenty, thank you very much.

And look at the shape the world is in today, 5 years later. over 100,000 dead Iraqis, thousands of dead U.S. soldiers, and the rich just keep getting richer...

All I can say is God help us all escape from this madness

[AZBlue]

126. Do you know ANYTHING about it?

It's not fiction - it's the true story of two Port Authority officers who were trapped under the collapse and rescued.

How is it "disgraceful" and "propaganda"? Please...enlighten me..... :sarcasm:

[earth mom]

128. No way in hell will I see it either!

The ads on t.v. look fake and full of b.s.! Oliver Stone seems to have sold out and that's a pity. Money really trumps all doesn't it?! Well, they ain't getting any of my money to watch that f-in farce! :grr:

[Joe Bacon]

132. I'd rather watch SNAKES ON A PLANE.

Now that sounds like a REAL RAZZIE® contender!

[lonestarnot]

135. I just wonder who will form the audience for this one.