WTF? Congress shall not pass laws EX-POST FACTO....

[Postman]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/08/10/bush-admin-drafts-war-cri_n_26954.html

Bush Admin Drafts War Crimes Amendment To "Immunize Past Crimes" Of US Personnel

"US Personnel" = Bush Administration officials.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

1. Actually...

It's illegal to prosecute people for acts that were legal when committed, if subsequent legislation has made said acts illegal. It's perfectly legal (if not moral) to reduce or remove penalties for acts that were illegal when committed.

[Postman]

2. What does "immunize PAST CRIMES" mean to you? Hmmm?

why "legalize" something already "legal"?

[AndyA]

4. I disagree.

It is not moral to legislate illegal activities after the fact. What Bush and his gang of hoodlums want to do is make all of their illegal activities, which are indeed ILLEGAL - legal so they don't have to suffer the consequences of their actions when the Democrats take over.

They don't want to be held accountable for their illegal actions, so they are going to make them legal after the fact. This is abuse of our legal system in it's most obscene manner.

President Bush likely thinks he could shoot Americans dead in the street without any cause whatsoever, then change the laws to allow such an action to be legal.

If this is the precedent we want to set, it's too bad Clinton didn't make blow jobs a mandatory stress reliever for all Presidents and Cabinet members. After he got caught, of course. If he had done so, we could have saved millions of dollars on the investigation.

Bush and his cronies need to pay for their crimes against humanity.

[Toots]

7. I didn't realize blow jobs were illegal

They got Clinton because they say he lied. He says by the legal definition given him he did not have sex with that woman Monica. He was right yet by all Americans who have their own definition of sex he was a LIAR. :shrug: It really has nothing to do with changing any laws to make his actions legal...

[AndyA]

18. I didn't say anything about blow jobs being illegal.

Although I think they might still be in a few states.

Perhaps the example I gave was a bad one, but the BJ seems to be the defining moment in Clinton's Presidency to these people, which I why I used it as an example.

All I meant was, if Clinton had broken a law or violated the Constitution, then tried to change the law later to evade prosecution or investigation or impeachment, the GOP would have gone through the roof.

But now that Bush boy wants to do it, they're falling in line just like good little Nazis. I think the very act that Bush is trying to do should be illegal. You can't go in after the fact and change the laws to suit your own purposes, with the intent of evading due process.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

9. I didn't say it was moral. n/t

[AndyA]

17. Maybe I misunderstood?

It's perfectly legal (if not moral) to reduce or remove penalties for acts that were illegal when committed.

The way I read that statement, it sounds like you think it's legal and moral to change the law to suit the crime after the fact. Is that not what you meant?

[Toots]

6. I think they are talking about the opposite

Making something legal retroactively so they don't have to pay any penalties for crimes they commit. :shrug:

[originalpckelly]

19. Calder v. Bull here is the case...

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0003_0386_ZS.html

[originalpckelly]

20. Even though ex post facto is after the fact in latin...

it has not traditionally been interpreted as such. Who knows these sorts of check and balance problems have never arisen in the past, America has never really been a fascist nation, so all this is unprecedented.

[fordnut]

3. I there is no stopping Bushco

If they break the law gongress will change it

[Hubert Flottz]

5. Crimes to excuse crimes...

The law is a joke to Bush and his crew of shyster lawyers.

[Toots]

8. This should be a guide to whether Democrats are true Democrats or not

A real Democrat would never vote for any bill such as this. It is just not American...

[ContraBass Black]

10. After Jim Crow laws were repealed, the violators were cleared.

This is legal, if the Congress and Court let him get away with it.

[fordnut]

11. surely Congress won't go along with this

if they do America has gone to helll:evilgrin: 

[earth mom]

12. The CRIMINALS are fabricating laws to protect themselves.

It would be as funny as hell if it weren't so damned ominous! :wow:

[patcox2]

13. Its not ex post facto to legalize something.

If you change a law that makes prior illegal conduct legal, that is not a violation of the ex post facto clause.

[Postman]

14. Okay. My bad. What do you call it then?

Making, after the fact, prior illegal activity that is immoral, legal.

What is that called?

Are the inmates running the asylum yet?

[earth mom]

15. BTW-where are all the DU comments on this crap?!

The Huffington post has EIGHT PAGES of comments and we have what, a little over a dozen?!

:wtf:

Is this not important to people that the criminals KNOW they should be in jail and are passing LAWS so they don't have to?! This is probably one of the most important stories on DU today and there is little interest!

:wtf:

[ChickMagic]

16. In our case

it's Ex-Post Fucto. He's already gotten away with signing statements -
why not go whole hog and make everything legal? The boy king needs
to be impeached immediately, if not sooner.

[Subdivisions]

21. Step by step, inch by inch...

that much closer to one-party rule.