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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 04:43 PM Original message |
Concentrated peroxide = rocket fuel...Gatorade bottle = container. |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
1. So, they actually had some of this, right? |
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MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
2. And the likely success rate getting the peroxide from . . . |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
3. and how does concentrated peroxide react to plastic containers? |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 04:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. This I don't know |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 04:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. some googling... |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 04:14 PM Response to Reply #11 |
90. From Your Link.... and Thanks |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
4. And the magical 'Islamic fascists' actually had all this, right? |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 04:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Not the point |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
22. That's not the point |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. thank you for |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 11:33 AM Response to Reply #7 |
78. You could drown in peroxide, too |
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Philosoraptor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
5. boxcutters are cheaper and more effective |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 05:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
97. And boxcutters paralyze the air defense too. Don't know about h2o2. nt |
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Jara sang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
8. This should be moved to the 9/11 conspiracy corral. |
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Sinti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. Why? n/t |
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Jara sang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory. |
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Sinti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. OIC okay n/t |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 10:12 AM Response to Reply #21 |
66. Nobody ever said that all terrorists are smart. n/t |
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DistressedAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
9. Oh Will. Won't You Ever Learn? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 04:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Yep. |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 10:07 AM Response to Reply #10 |
63. Or a Rovian plot to keep the GOP/Neocons in power...n/t |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 04:50 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. No, it's not all Karl. |
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DistressedAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. All Fair Questions. Let Me Try To Answer Them. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:08 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Reasonable responses. |
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DistressedAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 06:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
52. Skeptical is one thing. |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. I understand that they wanted to ensnare as many people as possible |
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DistressedAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 06:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
51. They were not ready to board the planes. |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 09:42 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. All the MORE reason not to shut down the airports |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 10:11 AM Response to Reply #16 |
65. That, and apparently the Brits got scared that... |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 11:32 AM Response to Reply #65 |
77. Now THAT'S a story I can believe |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 10:51 AM Response to Reply #16 |
73. Of course, they are reasonable points |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 04:03 PM Response to Reply #16 |
86. Why did they raise the alert to CODE RED after foiling the so-called plot? |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 11:35 AM Response to Reply #9 |
79. Please explain |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
13. Considering that what they were *supposed* to be using |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 02:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
85. Ressam took HMTD and Rdx on a ferry, along w/nitro. Scary |
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Snivi Yllom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
14. acetone peroxide , TATP - serious stuff, shoe bomber, london bombing |
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Snivi Yllom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. more |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 04:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
92. Funny, but neither the initial London bombing & shoe bomber reports |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
18. Peroxide is the oxidizer - you need a reduced organic compound |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
34. Or a finely divided metal |
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Sinti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
20. Did they have the materials, or just a plan. Does any one know? n/t |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:24 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Good question. |
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Sinti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:33 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. A plan without materials is a "thought crime" and should not be a crime |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. How very prescient of you. |
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Sinti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:46 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. I wish I could see it in a bit more innocent light than I do |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 10:42 AM Response to Reply #29 |
70. I have lost count of the number of "thought crimes" I have committed |
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cigsandcoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 04:47 PM Response to Reply #29 |
96. Like plotting with others to kill your spouse, maybe? |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
43. Actually, he didn't say that at all. |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 12:16 AM Response to Reply #43 |
57. If they didn't have any, then it isn't even relevant to discuss. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 11:38 AM Response to Reply #43 |
80. Nuclear warheads |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:39 PM Response to Reply #20 |
35. I'd post it but then I'd have to shoot you |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
26. But how stable is the stuff--stable enough to be transported |
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Snivi Yllom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:31 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Richard Reid wore it in his shoes |
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KurtNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 10:22 AM Response to Reply #28 |
68. the shoebomber (reid) had PETN in his shoes |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 04:39 PM Response to Reply #68 |
93. They changed the story later to TATP when they couldn't figure out |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Alternatively, could you make it a bathroom in a few minutes |
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Snivi Yllom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. you would have it made already in a home lab |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 06:09 PM Response to Reply #37 |
50. It sounds so unstable that you might not make it to the airport |
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Tin Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 11:27 AM Response to Reply #26 |
75. * * * * PHOTOS HERE * * * * London subway bombs |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 04:41 PM Response to Reply #75 |
95. That powder ain't getting snuck onto a plane, |
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Tin Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 05:36 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Think so? Read this House testimony from June 30th 2006 |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
31. Ya Don't Have To Tell Me. I Made It Through 8th Grade Science. |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
32. Hell, I gargle with the stuff. |
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Hugin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
33. It takes a heck of a lot more than a sports drink bottle full to do... |
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Tin Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 11:31 AM Response to Reply #33 |
76. Not necessarily. Simply punching a hole through the pressurized fuselage |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
39. T Stoff 80% Hydrogen peroxide |
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Snivi Yllom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:47 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. more likely it was TATP |
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Hugin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. It's use by terrorist is 'alleged'. |
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Snivi Yllom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:54 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. yes, but TATP is not picked up by nitrogen explosive detectors |
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Hugin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:56 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I'd think dragging 50 gallons of some mysterious fluid on a plane... |
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Snivi Yllom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 06:28 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. you would not need 50 gallons of TATP |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
44. If you googled this, Your IP address is in the hands of the NSA... |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
46. How would they get concentrated peroxide? Is it tracked when sold? |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 06:06 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Probably not looking into that because... |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
48. Rocket fuel needs an powerful oxidizer (tetroxide/perchlorate) |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 09:49 AM Response to Reply #48 |
62. It's Commercially Available at 35, 50, and 70% |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
53. The terrorists are obviously more intelligent than most Americans |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
54. Amazing what a quick google will bring |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
56. It caused the Kursk disaster |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
59. *this* close Will |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
60. You Need Chemistry Classes, Will |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 10:10 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Thank you for your informative responses. Everyone should |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 10:15 AM Response to Reply #60 |
67. When we were kids |
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symbolman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 10:27 AM Response to Reply #60 |
69. Okay professor, here's a question for you |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 10:43 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Pretty Far Fetched |
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symbolman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 04:17 PM Response to Reply #71 |
91. Thanks, I was wondering |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 04:41 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Perhaps rust.. |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 11:45 AM Response to Reply #69 |
81. I wondered the same thing...Could a terrorist "swallow" a bomb? |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 10:51 AM Response to Reply #60 |
74. I wish I could K&R this post! |
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MyNameGoesHere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
61. I think you |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
72. The hardest part for me will be to give off water bottle |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 04:07 PM Response to Reply #72 |
87. I understand they were doing checks at the gate as well |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 04:09 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Some idiot "terrorism" expert was on local radio this afternoon |
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RobertSeattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
82. Carbonated Sode + Mentos - Terrorism! |
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fooj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
83. Will...I hear you. Hear me. Please. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
84. Anything to get the plane there faster. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
89. you're right, Will. |
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