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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:41 PM
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From a far right perspective....
...everything to left is extreme.

So as the wacko neo-facists wail and moan about the "extreme left" remember where they are speaking from...

They can't see their own shit through the steam.

Turn off the TV and AM radio and let the useless gas bags vent to empty space...we have a country to take back.

VICTORY IN NOVEMBER!
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:44 PM
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1. and from a far left perspective
everything to the right is extreme

this is called position bias, and is just as common with people on both sides of the aisle

like so many other political foibles it is common on both sides of the aisle. but ideologues only see it in others, and not themselves.

which is basic human psychology and to be expected

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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:45 PM
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2. More or less
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:46 PM
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3. except that it's the far right that's in power in the US
so that's the perspective we have to be aware of.

When the "far left" gains a foothold in the U.S., we'll talk
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:52 PM
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6. i disagree
bush is not far right

he is a strongly authoritarian and statist right-moderate

there are strong influences from the far right, but they are not in power

clinton otoh was a left-moderate

i take my view of the center via the ACTUAL polling results for the USA on positions

i prefer www.pollingreport.com as a great meta-site

it is often surprising to find where the majority is.

bush is hardly far right-

weak on border control, weak on gun rights, HEAVY on govt. spending (he's like a 2nd wife with a platinum card), weak on racial quotas, etc. etc.

calling bush far right is laughable. he is no more far right than clinton was far left

although, lots of farright doods thought clinton was far left. for the same reasons that lots of far left doods find bush far right

position bias

bush is CLEARLY right of center. but he is not far right




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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:57 PM
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7. He makes up for it with torture, nationalism and war.....
Authoritarians are far right. Bush is far right.

Real conservatives are center right like Ike. They are long gone.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 03:01 PM
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8. agree completely. Don't need pollingreport.com to tell me
Bush is a religious extremist and a sociopath.
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 03:33 PM
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10. authoritarians
authoritarians can be almost anywhere on the spectrum.

authoritarian-libertarian positioning is different than left-right orientation
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 03:27 PM
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9. I disagree strongly
* he's economically with the right if you look at the trend of Presidential spending - it has tended to go up with Rightists and down with Leftists, despite what the "liberal" media tells us. And despite your sexist comment, I know more men who are irresponsible with money than women (including myself)

* he's also to the right in terms of bigotry - he says he's not, but he obviously is.

And both Right and Left can be statists, so saying he is statist or authoritarian does not belie his being firmly entrenched in the Right's ideology. Look at his bed-sharing with corporate interests and his disdain toward the working people of America and the laborer who makes the economy work in the first place.

I learned something from Reagan: when a conservative says they want to shrink government, they grow it but only in their own interest. When a conservative says they want to butt out of your private life, it means they're snooping. And when they say they are strong on terrorism, it means they are selling arms to them. Point: when they speak they lie to us.
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 03:46 PM
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11. He seems far right to me!
He rushed back to save Terry Schiavo,
vetoed stem cell bill,
allows torture,
thinks evolution and global warming are debatable,
appointed far right judges,
thinks war is the way to spread democracy,
etc., etc., etc.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:50 PM
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4. Except that the shift to the right has been so cataclysmic
in the past 15 years, that the 'far left' as defined by todays 'far right' would be what Richard Nixon would consider to be right wing. No. Really. I remember those days well.

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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:50 PM
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5. But everything to the right is extremely BAD.


Profiteering
Nationalism
Aggression
Cronyism


Racism
Negligence
Cruelty


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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 03:52 PM
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12. Sweet Jesus ...
Nice concept ... Applied without the proper context ...

Conservative vs liberal ... The more conservative you get, the more fear based, the more controlling, dictorial you get ... The more liberal you get, the open, the more accepting and more reasoned you get ...

NOW, I am not saying that you don't get nuts on the left, just the same not every far righter is a complete facist ... BUT, you have to take into account the base nature of those involved ...
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 04:02 PM
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13. Bingo, it all comes down to a persons core values
War breaks out. A liberal tries to figure out how to stop it and how to help people caught in a war zone. A Conservative checks his stocks and buys more Halliburton and Lockheed... I realize this is a generalization but it does pretty much sum it up..
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