Lamont's victory means Liberals are going all wobbly on the war.

[Philosoraptor]

That's what some right wing pundits are saying now, that Lamont's only reason for winning was his anti war stance, and Joe's coziness with bush, and they see Ned's victory as a sure sign that Democrats are surrendering and cutting and running from the war, just when we are only seconds from glorious victory.

Now the republican war pigs will say that the liberals are losing the war, and when its utterly lost, they'll forever assign the blame to the liberals, who didn't want the fucking war in the first place.

They will repeat this ad nauseum, they are hanging everything on this stupid war. I say proceed and stay the anti war course, we'll be the better for it. Fuck bush's war and fuck the neo cons, and fuck joe.

[MadHound]

1. The trouble is that the vast majority of Americans

Have gone all wobbly right along with the liberals. Latest polls shows large majorities for pulling out ASAP. So frankly, this sounds like an issue that will resonate with the voters.

And frankly if getting smeared with such attacks is fine with me, just as long as the killling, death and destruction stops. Name calling, hey I can live with that.

[izzie]

6. I think it ends up a fight with the people vs. the power elite

Those power elite some how got many of the people behind them for this war so now people are starting to wonder about it all.These powerful people have no vision but to use military. The big problem is the power elite, big business, military, need this war for profits so they buy Congress and we end up as the no power people. Just think how long we were in Vietnam before the people finally stopped it. It was not easy and 57,000 men got killed and who knows how many were hurt. It was so wasteful. Just how many Congressmen are not for this war? Now Joe is going to dig in a little deeper and split the few who do not want the war by still running. Guess we know who he is for. If he runs we end up with two wants the war and one who does not. Who will take it?

[MadHound]

12. Who wins it? I guess we'll see in November

However Ned seems to be able to run a smart campaign that resonates with the people. If he can continue this and take it up to the next level, he'll win.

However there are many factors working against him, the biggest one now being Lieverman. Joe is stacked with a full warchest, and has easy access to more money. I also imagine that he will stop pulling money and votes from the Republicans, because they fully realize that their guy is going to be coming up last in this race no matter what. Therefore I imagine that you're going to see a lot of those on the right casting their lot with Lieberman, since his views so closely matches theirs.

The big question is how much will the Democratic party get behind Ned this fall. Hillary has already dropped $5000 into Ned's warchest(though during the primaries she doubled that for Joe). The DLC could be crucial, since they are the money making arm of the Democratic party, and given that ol' Joe is their boy, I think that they will display lukewarm support for Ned at best, and possibly actively support Lieberman, albeit behind the scenes. In fact I would imagine that when election day comes and the DLC folks are in the privacy of the voting booth, most will go ahead and pull the lever for Joe.

In fact I fully expecting the party to do what they did with McGovern back in the day, and that is to leave Lamont twisting in the wind, and the only support they give will be lipservice. Depressing as that is, Ned could still win, since he's demonstrated that he can run a smart, savvy campaign, has an excellent grassroots network, and the people in Connecticut want to send a message.

So we'll see. I think that Ned will pull this one out, but it is going to be a nasty fight between Lamont and Lieberman, with the 'Pug candidate bringing up the rear.

[izzie]

13. I would say rarely do the people win. We do not have the power

It is hard to get rid of the smoky back rooms. The very powerful have usually run the people they want and I would say that is Joe. I know I seem hard hearted but it is how the game is pretty much played. If you do not think I am right look at lebanon right now. To hell with the people, It is business, military and the powerful in many countries and the every day people? Who cares we have the Westerns people out thanks to Israels holding off for us. The ones in power in business , gov. and the military want the Middle East. Not that we can not do some thing. We did in Vietnam but do recall how many years it took and people are still mad about it. Right now I do not think any one can control our gov. or Israels either. And to get back to Joe, he is for this so the powerful will work to keep him in. Lots of this has to be done on the backs of us voters to seem legit. So the endless lies so we will go along. The powerful have put in their junk yard dog, Bush.

[Skidmore]

2. Rs just need to keep repeating "Stay the course" and

that there is a fabulous democracy in place in Iraq, and that there are not enough positive stories about their glorious war bringing freedom and democracy to the world while actively working to subvert it at home. Let 'em talk wobbly. The world is on the brink of a major holocaust and the Boy Wonder and the Republicettes are fanning the flames.

[B Calm]

5. The Titanic stayed the course too...

[Skidmore]

9. Exactly

[fasttense]

3. Neocons and the corporate media need to stop pushing their failure

Just look at any poll. Americans have consistently come out against the Iraq war. It is a complete and utter failure. When you attack another sovereign nation after convincing your populace with lies, you better win the attack and quickly. But the republics didn't win and they don't have the backbone to admit it. So they can only cry and whine while thousands die based on their lies. This war is over, done, finished. There is nothing more to do but admit it, cry for our dead heroes, heal our wounded and get the hell out.

[RDANGELO]

4. Democrats are smarter

The Democrats are not getting radical; the Democrats are smarter. To win the war on terrorism you need to be tough and smart. Invading Iraq was STUPID!

[gator_in_Ontario]

7. Wobbly?

I have never been wobbly. Not for one minute. Bad idea from before the get-go. Worse idea now than ever. So there you war-mongering, murdering, christiamentalist, bill-of-rights stealing, thieving (etc, etc, etc ad infinitum) right wing lunatics!x(

[bigdarryl]

8. They need to worry about there own party

These repubs need to stop worrying about whether the democratic party is going to left and concentrate on there own problems with there party

[bowens43]

10. Wobbly on the war?

Don't these freaking idiots know that a large percentage of us opposed it from the beginning. Do they think that support for the war won't lessen as it becomes more and more apparent that it was a colossal mistake?

[tanyev]

11. Mr. Wobbly himself has gone all wobbly.

Even Rep. Gil Gutknecht, once a strong supporter of the war, is having doubts.


Congressman Gil Gutknecht found the situation in Iraq more bleak than he anticipated during a weekend visit to the war zone, and said a partial withdrawal of some American troops might be wise.

Gutknecht, a strong supporter of the war since it began in March of 2003, told reporters in a telephone conference call Tuesday that American forces appear to have no operational control of much of Baghdad.

“The condition there is worse than I expected,” he said. “... I have to be perfectly candid: Baghdad is a serious problem.”

The man who last month said "Now is not the time to get wobbly" now says "I guess I didn't understand the situation." He now supports a partial troop withdrawal to make it clear to Iraqis that they need to step up and take responsibility for their own security.

http://midtopia.blogspot.com/2006/07/war-backers-finally-begin-confronting.html

[B Calm]

14. No matter how they spin it, the neocons lost this war the day they invaded

[VolcanoJen]

15. Even Tony Snow's saying that.

He used his press briefing from the Western (gag) White House today to campaign, and, in so many words, implied that Bin Laden would approve of Democrats, and that Lieberman's loss shows that we're "waving the white flag on terror."

Tony Snow: "This is a defining moment for the Democratic Party."

[LittleClarkie]

16. Thing is, if we weren't wobbley before, we aren't now

as most Dems differed from Joe. They at the least admitted that Bush had fucked up. Few were cheerleaders like Joe.

He was out of the mainstream, and has been. Don't tell me they've just noticed the trend now

[gratuitous]

17. Ah, those right wing pundits, so perceptive

It's like a dog trying to describe a rainbow, isn't it?