OK, Connecticut did it. New Yorkers, now it's your turn

[Greeby]

http://www.tasinifornewyork.org

:patriot:

[Drum]

1. lol! nt

[Renew Deal]

2. I live in NY

It's bold, but it's not going to happen. I would give it a 0% chance. Tasini has raised 150,000. Hillary has like $33 million besides the biggest name in the party. She also has at least 80% positive support.

[adriennui]

7. who is tasini

and what are his positions. i wasn't able to get on his website.


however, hillary will win.

[hedgehog]

10. www.tasinifornewyork.org

nt

[hedgehog]

8. Think New Hampshire 1968

McCarthy didn't win, but he showed that it wasn't inevitable that a sitting president get the party nomination. Right now the common wisdom is that $33 million, excuse me, Hillary Clinton can't be beat. All Tasini has going for him is that his views represent those of most New York Democrats.

[readmoreoften]

21. Great line...

**Right now the common wisdom is that $33 million, excuse me, Hillary Clinton can't be beat. All Tasini has going for him is that his views represent those of most New York Democrats.**

Tasini will not have the time to explain his platform. Actually, I hear it costs $500,000 to get on the NY1 News Channel Townhall Debate. New Yorkers won't hear it. Even though he is for labor, gay marriage, pro-choice, a two-state ME solution, and an end to war. Most NYers would vote for those issues. If they knew who he was and what he represented.

But in these times of uncertainly, people with stick with the Clinton Brand. Lucky for us, Hillary isn't a terrible candidate (at least in my opinion.)

[hedgehog]

29. Why do we always settle for second best?

How much do you spend each month for a net connection so you can talk politics? Why not send some of that cash to Tasini now and make a real difference? Don't be shy if you're not from New York. A lot of Hillary's money isn't from here either.

[readmoreoften]

40. I'm givin' it all I got.

I will be working on Tasini's campaign. He'd understand why I have no money to give him. He was on my picket line fighting for my job when I got fired for union activity. I am actually risking going to jail for 15 days in his honor. He and I and 58 other people were arrested for fighting for union rights. The prosecutors office singled out Tasini, my union president, a priest, the head of the AAUP (American Association of University Professors), and one or two others for a 15 day jail term while the rest of us got off. I, along, with about 45 others said that if you're going to punish one of us, you should punish all of us. So now we are all facing 15 days in jail for civil disobedience and they are going to have to face the decision to drop the charges or put us all in jail.

The best I can do is drag every lazy gen-x no-votin' progressive that I know to the polls.

I spend $0 on a net connection. So my net bucks won't help.

[hedgehog]

44. Forgive me if I have offended you.

You certainly have walked the walk. I'm really aiming at all the people who could make a difference but who just assume that the fix is in and aren't willing to lift a finger for change.

[readmoreoften]

47. No offense taken! I agree. Just because "the fix is in" doesn't mean...

we can't raise hell.

There's no reason not to fight for what you believe in even when there's no real hope. Especially when the fighting only boils down to pulling a damn lever.

I think even a 20% showing for Tasini would give HC some quivers.

[hedgehog]

50. Damn Straight!

AS I keep pointing out, Gene McCarthy didn't win New Hampshire in 1968, he just showed that emperor had no clothes!

[shadowknows69]

51. So, then no harm in you voting for Tasini anyways

Just in case we could pull out the upset of the century wouldn't you want to be a part of it?

[readmoreoften]

55. Excellent point! /nt

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

3. I'm With Hillary On This One. Sorry.

Hillary has monumentally better chances against a republican challenger than tasini would. That's all it comes down to for me.

[RB TexLa]

9. Just wait, there will be posts saying Kennedy has gone too far right

and needs to be "taken" out. :rofl:

[readmoreoften]

11. There is about zero percent of a republican senate victory in NY

Have you seen the republican candidates? They're laughable. One's own brother came forward and said she was one of the most hateful and petty people he ever met! The other is just as embarrasing.

Tasini will get all the labor vote as well. He was a union president for 13 within the AFL-CIO.

[Stephanie]

32. Who is the Republican challenger?

20 bucks if you can name them without looking it up.

There is not a chance in hell that either of the Republicans on the ballot would win this seat, regardless of which candidate wins the Dem primary. The Dem primary is the whole race, the Republicans are completely irrelevant.

[hedgehog]

34. Who cares?

They're all taking turns running away from this race as fast as they can.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

39. Keep Your 20 LOL

You're probably right. I just know how important november is so I'm extremely careful in picking who I'll support. In this case you are correct in the fact that the Dem primary winner will almost certainly win the seat. So having that said I just don't really have any animosity towards Hillary like many others do. I think she is a fine democrat.

[Stephanie]

43. Sure, she's fine. If you like illegal wars and occupations.

If you like the death penalty, if you like Rupert Murdoch. If you like the pharmaceutical industry that's funding her campaign. If you like discrimination against same-sex couples, if you'd like to criminalize flagburning, if you want to bring the troops home someday in the future, but not just now, no timetables, enduring bases, then yeah, she's just fine.

[threadkillaz]

35. She's just a junior senator from Arkansas.

Whoo-pee.

Send her packin'.

[readmoreoften]

4. It's late in the game, but I'm up for a challenge.

Clearly, I like Hillary much better than Joe-ndependent. At least she's a DEMOCRAT. I hope that this forces Hillary to listen to the base and take a stance against Bush. The Tasini race can at least accomplish that.

I am a HUGE fan of Tasini. I have personally seen the good he's done-- and I mean in real life. I am going to try to get out the vote for him as best I can, but the primary is only a month away and he just entered the race.

Tasini is more of an intellectual who is really nuanced on the issues. He doesn't have that cute, almost innocent appeal of Lamont. I'd just like to see Tasini show well to set him up for a future, better financed run.

[Selatius]

5. If Tasini was rich enough, he could've duplicated Lamont's feat

Lamont would've been in different waters if he didn't have the money to back up his bid.

[readmoreoften]

16. If Lamont was poor he wouldn't be where he is.

Tasini is working class. Unfortuntately, there isn't much hope. Unless Hillary messes up big time.

I find it interesting how people spin it like Hillary is somehow a better candidate because she has a huge war chest, some of it coming from Rupert Murdoch himself.

As Walt Whitman-- another NYer-- said: "Battles are lost in the same spirit they are won."

I'm still going to fight for the candidate I want and work for my principles. Then I'll pull the lever for Hillary.

[hedgehog]

20. Do you mean in the Primary or trhe 2008 election?

[readmoreoften]

30. In the Primary, my vote goes to Tasini.

But if he loses (which, unfortunately, is a strong possibility) I will vote for Clinton.

I won't vote for her in the 2008 Presidential primary if that's what you mean. No way. But I'll vote for her against a Republican for sure.

[hedgehog]

33. I think that goes without saying.

Even Hillary is better than a Republican. What I am afraid of though, is that if she gets the Senate nomination without a fight, party leaders will find a way to hand her the presidential nomination two years down the road. They pulled that stunt with John Kerry, and look where we are today. The New York Presidential primary is so late that generally most of the candidates drop out before we get a chance to vote. Our Presidential primary, the one that counts, is September 12, 2006. It's our only chance to vote up or down on Hillary.

[Name removed]

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[bridgit]

6. yep, one by one it is a shorter march from here...

:patriot:

[bdamomma]

12. that would be interesting if Tasini would beat Hillary

but she has the money. but it would be interesting.

[hedgehog]

23. If he just makes a good showing, it means that the 2008 nomination

isn't a done deal anymore.

[readmoreoften]

31. good point....

That in itself is a reason to vote Tasini. There are A LOT of reasons, IMO. If anything HC needs to know that there is a groundswell of support for someone who just entered the race one month ago. It'll also (hopefully) stop her from feeling the need to support Flag Burning Amendments and other such tripe (I mean voting against it to keep the dem base happy and suggesting a similar amendment to pander to possible presidential votes.)

[ronnykmarshall]

13. Oh yeah .... that's gonna happen.

:spray:

[hedgehog]

24. Right, and Lyndon Johnson was our candidate in 1968.

Because the sitting president always gets the party nod.

[ronnykmarshall]

42. Oh yeah ...

and Dianne's gonna lose in California ......

[hedgehog]

45. Dianne's not going to get a lock on the 2008 nomination

by knocking over a straw man this November.

[ronnykmarshall]

46. Huh?

What the hell are you talking about?

[hedgehog]

49. I don't know what the talk is out on the West coast,

but the talk here is that Hillary has a lock on the NYS Senate seat. Every penny she's collected from Rupert Murdoch and the pharmaceutical companies will be used to buy the party nomination in 2008.

[ronnykmarshall]

52. Uh hon, we were talking about Dianne ...

did you lose track of your "I hate this democratic senator" for a moment?

[hedgehog]

54. I'm not sure what we're talking about.

I assumed that you were indicating that both Hillary Clinton and Dianne Feinstein will easily be re-elected and that it is foolish to oppose either one.

[ronnykmarshall]

56. That's the ticket!

Since Dianne won her primary with flying colors and the Hilster will whop ass in the primary .... I just think this whole thread is kinda stupid. But of course I know, Hil-rey is the spawn of satan 'round here. So I'll just crawl away now.

[Stephanie]

64. That's ridiculous. It's not personal.

But we have elections in this country. Some of them are called "primary elections." That's when the voters get to choose which candidate from their party best represents their views. It's called democracy.

[KingFlorez]

14. This is madness

What's next? A primary challenge to Ted Kennedy? There is more focus on purging the party than there is on defeating Republicans. Get with the program, let's focus on the Republicans.

[theHandpuppet]

15. Ted Kennedy is a TRUE Democrat

DINOS beware!

[BuyingThyme]

18. Democracy is purge? Holy shit!

[ronnykmarshall]

48. YEAH! YEAH!!

That's it. I'm still mad at Ted (even if I voted for him in '80) for running against Carter.

That's what we need to do!!!! Spend ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL our money and time to defeat this guy!!!!

[ronnykmarshall]

17. OK, Connecticut did it. Californians, now it's your turn

Oh wait ..... Dianne won the primary ...... never mind.

[TwentyFive]

19. Vote for Tasini! I like him in the issues best! Hope he beats Hillary n/t

[Superman Returns]

22. in a million years, dont waste your time.

Lieberman and Clinton are night and day. Clinton owns NY. She has a coalition that can't be beaten.

[hedgehog]

27. I f we weren't willing to waste our time, we wouldn't be Democrats!

Things that I have seen in my lifetime that were never going to happen:

A Catholic President

Black Liberation

Women's Liberation

Gay Liberation

[jazzjunkysue]

28. True. I'm a down-state NY and my family is up. Tasini has no chance.

I have a better chance of winning the powerball than Tasini has of unseating Hilary. And I hate Hilary.

The upstaters have embraced her because they feel she's fighting for them. Actually, they like her because she's centrist. Upstate NY is mostly red, except for some college towns around the big cities.

But I know people who work for tasini and he never thought he'd win: He just wanted to challenge her on the war and make the issue get s ome air time. For that, I'll show up at the primary and give him my vote, only because I know it won't help, except to hurt Hilary's feelings a little. If she has any.

[Swamp Rat]

37. She doesn't

Her feelings were surgically removed when THEY gave her a pod.

[hedgehog]

38. Does your upstate family even know about Tasini?

If not, tell them about him tomorrow!

[Emma G]

60. What coalition?

The coalition of the easily suckered? But you're right, she owns NY: NY1, the cable TV station that's set an arbitrary rule of $500K either spent or raised, for participation in the senatorial debate on Aug 22, is owned by Time Warner Cable. Tasini's the only candidate who's not invited. TWC PAC has, so far, given $101,000 to candidate Clinton (check it out on http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.asp?CID=N00000019&cycle=2006). Seems to me as though a) the "debate" is an endorsement of Clinton, b) lots of TW employees obviously gave their bit, c) therefore Clinton sure does literally own NY. The media is the message, etc. Problem is, is the Clinton Machine what we want in NY? What happened to a fair playing field, where you and I can hear what each candidate has to say? And how about ISSUES rather than MONEY as arbiter of political discourse? Remember Connecticut: one down, one more to go!
www.tasinifornewyork.org

[Superman Returns]

61. Don't get carried away

with this Lamont victory. Our purpose is to fight Repulicans not our own. Lieberman was right to go against for reasons I explained in other threads. Now as far as Hillary, she may not be to your liking but she is a good Senator who delivers for her constituents. The coalition is: upstateNY/middleclass/Jews/African Americans/Hollywood/hispanics/woman. She is no Lieberman or will she ever be. She has both liberals and moderates in her pocket in NY. The Clintons have captured all possible demographics. Every major NY politician supports her from Rangel to Spitzer to Koch to Dinkins. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton wouuld never betray her. Lets get real.

[Stephanie]

63. My purpose is to bring the troops home and impeach Bush & Cheney

You can compromise on your principles for the sake of Hillary's ambition, if you choose. I won't.

[Imagevision]

25. I'll stick with Hil on this one, she did a good job with Rumsfeld

last week

[Stephanie]

36. pure theatrics

She chewed him out for doing a bad job in waging the immoral, illegal war she supported. She wants a more efficient war machine, that's all.

[hedgehog]

41. Vote for Tasini. I want that war stopped today!

Bill promised me a tax credit to help me take care of my kids. It's finally reaching full value when my last kid had one year of eligibilty left. I don't have time for Hillary to fart around trying to win George's war. My kids are already draft age.

[greguganus]

57. The same number of people are dying in Iraq with Hillary's support...

..as they are dying with Lieberman's support of the war. I don't care if she's got more money than Bill Gates, how much money is a person's life worth? I'll be damned if I will support anyone that supports this war in Iraq. I have to live with my conscience a hellavuh lot longer than Hillary will be in politics. I have sons of age too, and I have seen several of their friends join the military and are in Iraq as I speak. I used to worry how their friends will have changed when they come back home. Now I just hope they come back home.

[blonndee]

53. Plus, Rumsfeld probably isn't "polling well."

That's about the extent of it, is my take on it.

[Stephanie]

62. She wants him out, but she doesn't want to set a timetable

He can go when the Pentagon is ready to run itself.

[Emma G]

59. Mistress of Triangulation

I don't want her to run the war better. I don't want her to run the war at all! Don't be fooled by the Mistress of Triangulation.

[Raydawg1234]

26. Yes, vote out the incumbent yankees and become red sox fans!

[gauguin57]

65. Keep Hillary in Senate. In 2008, she supports Dem. nominee, in exchange

for a promise of nomination to the Supreme Court.

All problems solved.