WTF..Dobbs reports Israel just struck a Palestinean refugee camp.

[Skidmore]

Sitting ducks.

[TomInTib]

1. The highest of War Crimes.

Fuckers.

Fuck every goddamned one of them.

[HereSince1628]

2. Unfortunately, that isn't precedent setting.

[AlamoDemoc]

3. I predict there will be a massacre on great proportion

[DRoseDARs]

4. The UN must've been lauching Iran-made missiles from there. n/t

[killbotfactory]

9. From ambulances driving among hoards of people...

shouting support for Hitler with children in their arms, right?

[Skidmore]

5. No additional details yet.

[cigsandcoffee]

6. Color me skeptical.

I think I'll wait for a few more details before shrieking about war crimes.

[Skidmore]

13. See post #7.

[cigsandcoffee]

16. I'd still like a bit more info than that.

I mean, I'm not already predertemined to hate Israel, so I'll wait for a little more substance before condemning this action. Fair enough?

[Scurrilous]

7. Haaretz News Flash:

01:46 (6:46 EDT) Report: IDF shells Lebanon`s largest Palestinian refugee camp, causing casualties (AP)

[BuyingThyme]

8. Calling all defenders of death.

[malaise]

10. They will scatter now n/t

[cigsandcoffee]

14. I'm not scattering anywhere, and I don't defend death.

I do defend Israel's right to eliminate a terrorist threat to its population, and am happy to wait for more than some scattered news flashes to cast judgment on this incident.

[cali]

17. C'mon now.

This is simply not justifiable.

[cigsandcoffee]

19. Why?

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20068146-5005961,00.html

The missiles targeted the area around the home of Colonel Munir Maqdah, a military chief of the Fatah movement in Lebanon


Fatah seeks the phased destruction of Israel. I'd say one of its military leaders is a fair target.

[MannyGoldstein]

39. Israel is Infringing On the Sacred Right of Hezbollah...

to destroy Israel and kill all Jews. Of course Israel should just allow Hezbollah to accumulate tens of thousands more missiles from Iran and target them at Israeli citizens.

[leesa]

43. Wiping out a refuge camp is justified to get one man??

You should work for Cheney and Rumsfeld.

[cigsandcoffee]

51. Now they "wiped out" the camp?

2 people were killed, apparently. How is that "wiping out" a camp of 50,000?

[regnaD kciN]

48. I call B.S. on your post...

Fatah seeks the phased destruction of Israel.

Absolute nonsense. Fatah is the moderate Palestinian faction that lost to Hamas in the last election. Mohammad Abbas, the darling of the Bush administration for "reining in" Hamas, is a Fatah member.

Or are all those nigg...I mean Ay-rabs all the same to you?

[cigsandcoffee]

52. What a disgusting and despicable post.

Knee-jerk and idiotic charges of racism do not address facts. Learn some facts if you're going to open your mouth with such ridiculous and offensive charges.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah

Fatah (Arabic: فتح‎); a reverse acronym from the Arabic name Harakat al-Tahrir al-Watani al-Filastini (literally: "Palestinian National Liberation Movement") is a major secular Palestinian political party and the largest organization in the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), a generally secular multi-party confederation. In Palestinian politics it is on the center-left of the spectrum. It is mainly secular and nationalist although not predominantly socialist. However, Fatah seeks the destruction of Israel though a series of phases. Fatah made this change in 1974 after it realized it would not be able to defeat Israel at once.

Moderate, my ass.

[malaise]

22. And the Arabs will defend their right

to seek justice for this criminal slaughter of innocent people.

[cigsandcoffee]

24. Oh, their hands are already very bloody.

I mean, what are they going to do in retaliation? Shoot rockets loaded with ball bearings in to the Israeli civilian population?

As I said, I'll wait to hear what the precise target was before knee-jerking.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

11. I don't think you do this if you're even the...

...slightest bit concerned with international opinion---I think you do this with one aim, and that is to inflame the entire Arab world and draw them into it to justify rapid expansion of the conflict. The U.S. appears to be complicit, if not a participating partner, in this aim.

This is going to end badly.

[malaise]

12. Here is an interview with King Abdullah of Jordan

The Arab world is pissed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5257394.stm

[malaise]

15. Here's a link

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20068146-5005961,00.html


AN Israeli strike on the southern Lebanon Palestinian refugee camp of Ain Al Hilweh killed at least two people, medics said today.
It was the first time Israel has bombarded the Palestinian refugee camp, the largest in Lebanon and home to some 50,000 refugees, since the start of the four-week-old conflict.

The missiles targeted the area around the home of Colonel Munir Maqdah, a military chief of the Fatah movement in Lebanon, Palestinian sources said.

[cigsandcoffee]

18. 50,000 people and "homes" sounds like a pretty big camp to me.

Perhaps there was a legitimate target there.

[jpkenny]

20. What is a legitimate target? Then I guess that makes all of Israeli

cabinet legitimate targets for Hamas and Hizbollah?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

23. More legitimate than civilians, that's for sure.

If you're at war with a country, their military and government are fair game. Civilians are not.

The above admonishment is of universal applicability.

[Swamp Rat]

27. Que dizam o povo aí no Brasil sobre isso?

Faz muito tempo desde que eu li um jornal de lá.

:hi: Tudo bem?

[cigsandcoffee]

29. Oh, was Hezbollah holding back?

You mean now they're really going to attack? They'd be thrilled to have rockets that could target the Israeli Cabinet. I think Israel would prefer to address the issue before they do.

[malaise]

21. There is no legitimate target

where 50,000 people are living. None - that is a violation of the Geneva convention. That is a fugging war crime to add to the list.

[cigsandcoffee]

25. I disagree.

A camp that large could easily give cover to a paramilitary organization, especially when the home of a Fatah general is located there.

You do know that Fatah is committed to the destruction of Israel, right?

[malaise]

28. That does not give Israel the right to kill

innocent people. These are fugging war crimes and you cannot defend the indefensible.

[cigsandcoffee]

30. How do you know the 2 people killed were innocent?

A guess or a bias?

[B2G]

34. Maybe if we start calling Haifa a "refugee camp"

They'll gain a little more sympathy. They are hiding out in bomb shelters afer all.

[rockymountaindem]

37. Good idea

I mean, the ancestors of most Israeli Jews were driven out of somewhere else. If the Palestinians get to have refugee status for three generations, why not Israelis?

[malaise]

31. What I know is that Israel is destroying Lebanon

not merely committed to destroying it. Wake the fugg up.

[cigsandcoffee]

32. Please. They could flatten it to powdered rubble.

Much of Lebanon is still operating and still standing. You're being dramatic.

[malaise]

33. Adios n/t

[cigsandcoffee]

36. Bye, then.

[High Plains]

41. Go on, cheer for this misbegotten war. It will not end well.

[cigsandcoffee]

42. I don't cheer for war.

But I do understand it when there is no other way to stop an unacceptable threat. Israel could not afford to wait for Hezbollah to get even more modern arms. Unpredictably inaccurate rockets by the thousands, full of ball bearings to enhance civilian death, aimed at Israeli communities is already too much.

[uppityperson]

46. roller coasters are a big threat, aren't they?

"Palestinian and Lebanese officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media, said Israeli gunboats fired two shells, one landing in the camp on Sidon's outskirts and the other hitting the city's amusement park."
http://www.brandonsun.com/story.php?story_id=26906

[cigsandcoffee]

50. I'm missing your point here.

Are you saying the growing threat from Hezbollah rockets isn't real because of a stray Israeli shell?

[MsMagnificent]

47. The size of the camp ensures a more legitimate target?

Not to mention "Homes".
You know something, Palestinians have been held in refugee camps so damn long
--for many, they have no place else to go--
that, Yes, more permanent structures other than tents are built.
So what?

So as to your 'argument': Huh?

'Legitimate targets' don't like small camps or cities?

So a small camp wouldn't hold such a target because it's... small?


Hey! You know what? New York City is pretty darn big: I'll just bet there's at least one Al Quada operative there.

Let's nuke it! Using your compassionate reasoning, it's perfectly justified. :sarcasm:

[Canuckistanian]

26. Is it Sabra and Shatila all over again?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

[Poll_Blind]

38. Yep, except this time they're actually doing their own dirty work. n/t

PB

[Nimrod2005]

40. Yep, there will be high number of casualties....

[Poll_Blind]

35. Every day the case is more and more arguable that Syria and Iran...

...are the intended consumers of this slaughter in hopes of dragging them into a war with Israel which would automatically involve U.S. forces who will come to Israel's defense nomatter what.

  The U.S. didn't "bite" a few months ago when Olmert went on his "Iran is a threat to all of Western Civilization" tour of Europe (and, IIRC, the U.S.) , but the U.S. can be dragged in if things get "broader".

  That's a very concerning situation, and a likely one if the atrocities against Lebanese (or Palestinians on Lebanese territory) continue.

PB

[tuvor]

44. I believe it was Krauthammer on CBC Radio today, emphatic that

Israel has absolutely, positively, no-way-in-hell interest in Lebanese civilian casualties.

Then fucking prove it, already. God damn.

[Tom Joad]

45. Why are surprised? This is the way of Israel. Has been for decades.

[evox]

49. israel is a terrorist state