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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 04:20 PM
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Why would Joe buy his internet bandwidth from an untraceable no-name?
The entire ISP that manages Joes' website is currently down See: http://www.myhostcamp.com

Here is the ISP's old website, courtesy of the Wayback Machine: http://web.archive.org/web/20050212024037/http://myhostcamp.com/

Do you think Joe had the $6.95, 10.95 or 14.95 plan?

More importantly, look who this site is registered to:

http://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?domain=MYHOSTCAMP.COM&prog_id=godaddy

Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.

DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: MYHOSTCAMP.COM
Created on: 07-Apr-03
Expires on: 07-Apr-07
Last Updated on: 28-Mar-05

Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration MYHOSTCAMP.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599

Technical Contact:
Private, Registration MYHOSTCAMP.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599

And who is DomainsByProxy, anyway?

http://www.domainsbyproxy.com/LegalAgreement.aspx

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 04:23 PM
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1. so other peoples sites are down also? not just joes?
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 04:38 PM
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7. The ISP's own website is down!
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CTD Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 04:24 PM
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2. Actually, the Domains By Proxy thing doesn't mean anything
I have a website registered through GoDaddy myself. When you register, you can pay extra to have your name and contact information NOT listed. Their subsidiary that does this is Domains By Proxy.

If you happened to register the domain name for a controversial candidate, would you want your real name, address and phone number out there?

I see no issue here.

Now the cheapo web hosting is another matter.
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 04:40 PM
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8. Note that it's not Joe's sight that's registered by proxy.
Edited on Tue Aug-08-06 04:46 PM by mhatrw
It's Joe's ISP's site.
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 04:44 PM
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10. Dupe. n/t
Edited on Tue Aug-08-06 04:47 PM by mhatrw
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 04:25 PM
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3. DomainsByProxy
Edited on Tue Aug-08-06 04:26 PM by TechBear_Seattle
It used to be that the registered holder of a domain was public information. Recently, ICANN changed the regulations to allow for a proxy domain holder, ie the domain registration would show a third party (such as DomainsByProxy) even though the domain was actually registered to someone else.

Sadly, it became necessary when domain holders started getting harassed, intimidated, even threatened with bodily harm and death, all because of the content of their websites. Think of Operation Rescue and websites owned by women's health centers, and you begin to get the idea of the problem.

That the political campaign of an incumbent would use a proxy registrar just boggles the imagination. What is the reason?
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Guy Fawkes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 04:25 PM
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4. Because he probably has nothing at all to do with the website...
and it was most likely done by some intern who was assigned the job of finding someplace cheap to put up a site?
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 04:27 PM
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5. DOMAINSBYPROXY is a Privacy Measure
I believe that domainsbyproxy is an outfit that "holds" your domain name for you so that nobody knows who the real owner is, and so that your email address (required for domain registration) is not made public.

I probably wouldn't host my Senate campaign's site at myhostcamp.com - but it should be said that the "big" hosting outfits also screw up a lot.
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 04:37 PM
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6. Consider that myhostcamp.com's entire ISP has been compromised!
It's all down. Not just Joe's site; it's the whole damn ISP.

What does that tell you about their security?

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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 04:42 PM
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9. i will look up the thread and give props in a minute
Edited on Tue Aug-08-06 04:47 PM by blogslut
MyhostCamp is likely down because they exceeded the bandwidth limit on thier teeny re-seller server.

As for the proxy thing - yes it's a privacy protection service. However, I would never, ever pay for hosting from a second-tier company that hides their WHOIS behind a privacy service.

UPDATE: Credit goes to DU moderator Wickerman. Wickerman discovered Lieberman's host. Post number 11 in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1849083#1849216
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 04:49 PM
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12. Exactly. Who would want to deal with an ISP reseller who hides
Edited on Tue Aug-08-06 04:54 PM by mhatrw
its own identity?

Note that none of the ISP's website links in google's cache lead to any names, addresses or phone number, either:

http://www.google.com/search?q=+site:www.myhostcamp.com+myhostcamp&hl=en&lr=&filter=0



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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 04:47 PM
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11. Saving Money for the Indy Run!
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 05:21 PM
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13. From Wonkette
http://www.wonkette.com/politics/top/lieberman-campaigns-website-woes-own-damn-fault-192917.php

Why the hell is Joe Lieberman’s campaign site hosted by these people (site down — probably not because of dirty deeds, by the way) under the cheapest plan available? And why do Lieberman’s FEC filings say he’s paying $1500 to a different company for web hosting? No, we seriously want to know. These aren’t rhetorical questions.


http://cache.wonkette.com.nyud.net:8090/assets/resources/2006/08/joehosting02.jpg

~snip~
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 05:22 PM
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14. great post!
yougo!
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 05:27 PM
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15. Now THAT needs it's own thread! Falsifying that report is a CRIME!
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 05:53 PM
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16. 2dogdmedia.com is Kerry Szeps, CT Young Democrats co-President
Edited on Tue Aug-08-06 05:55 PM by mhatrw
2dogmedia.com

Registrant:
Thingz We Like
Kerry Szeps
260 France Street
Rocky Hill, CT 06067
US
Email: kerryszeps@gmail.com

Registrar Name....: REGISTER.COM, INC.
Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com
Registrar Homepage: www.register.com

Domain Name: 2dogmedia.com

Created on..............: Thu, Feb 08, 2001
Expires on..............: Thu, Feb 08, 2007
Record last updated on..: Mon, Feb 13, 2006

Administrative Contact:
Thingz We Like
Kerry Szeps
260 France Street
Rocky Hill, CT 06067
US
Phone: 1-860-5631817
Email: kerry413@aol.com

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22Kerry+Szeps%22&btnG=Search

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:DZiqgbmYmx0J:platform.smartcampaigns.com/index.php%3Fq%3Dnode/view/199+%22Kerry+Szeps%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

Kerry Szeps
Rocky Hill, CT

Kerry Szeps, a 26-year old who will be attending her first Convention, currently holds the position of co-President of Connecticut’s Young Democrats. Szeps is self-employed as a web/graphic designer and is particularly focused on getting youth involved and plugged into politics and the Democratic Party. Through her diligence, the number of town committees with websites grew from five to one hundred over the last year.
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