Neither Dem's or Republicans like a guy who isn't in the "club" do they?

[NNN0LHI]

Anyone else starting to get that feeling.

I wish we could throw them all out and start out with a brand new bunch.

The new bunch might not be too good but it would be damn hard to get much worse than what we have now.

The whole political system is corrupt. It is designed to breed corruption. And no one is trying to clean it up.

Be nice if someone would one of these days.

Don

[yurbud]

1. the club is the chamber of commerce and politicians aren't members

they are employees.

I have no trouble with someone who is business friendly.

I do with someone who is business owned and ignores obvious facts because they are paid to do so.

I hope Joe Lieberman gets a new job tomorrow for the Republicans, following their elephant and picking up its shit.

[Hemperor]

3. corporations run america

its as simple as that... an open political system with multiple ways to influence government and no or minimal restrictions leads to those with money having the most influence. who has the most money and the most reason to influence governments? its almost rhetorical

[yurbud]

8. the trick is getting people to sustain their interest in the process as

long as business does.

We only pay attention during a crisis like the Bush administration, and once things get back to tolerable, people start paying attention.

[JAYJDF]

2. It is within us. We have to keep pushing for term limits.

Keep rotating the liars and richies in and out.

[napi21]

4. Sure that's true, but that's SOP in almost every organization.

Actually, I don't think they're ALL BAD. I think it has more to do with the voters never really holding any of their officials feet to the fire! It's no secret that more people in office get re-elected, and if they can get away with doing whatever and still retain their seat, why would they change?

No matter what happens to Joe, I think it's a wake up call to ALL candidates! "You TOO could loose your spot!"

Sad as it is, most people NEVER call or write their Rep or Sen. You have no idea how many times I've heard someone complain about some situation, and I ask if they called their officials, they say "Oh I never thought of that! Can you just call them???"

I'm not talking aobut 20 yr olds either! These are mostly people in their 50's & 60's!

[hfojvt]

5. I would like to keep these

http://www.congressionalprogressivecaucus.org/

and Ted Kennedy is awesome, as are Feingold and Harkin

[Borgnine]

6. I've had that feeling for the last few years.

Democrats and Republicans, it doesn't matter. Most of them are self-centered, pompous assholes who enjoy being part of a elite club.

Of course there are a few exceptions, but many view their positions as an entitlement without the passion needed to govern and fight for what's right.

[mtice]

7. The reins of power

have been held by the same group of fossils year after year after year. An elected official practically needs to be caught in bed with a corpse to be thrown out. The folks at the top of both parties are more loyal to each other than those that vote for them. They spend hundreds of billions more than they have every single year, but does any problem ever get solved? No, but the buddies of the politicians all seem to do well, real real well. And of course we all know what happens when there is a real threat that the people will put one of our own in power.

[janx]

9. Dean is trying to clean it up, from the bottom up..

Lamont, for instance, is a DFA candidate--although DFA is run by his brother now. Lieberman is the first casualty of an honest effort to restore democracy and clean up government. People are supposed to be able to hold their representatives accountable.

[me b zola]

10. I think that really is it

When you are a member of a "club" you know the unspoken rules and "go along to get along".

You know, I really am against term limits because thats what elections are meant to be. But what the power establishment has revealed it's nasty under belly with this bizarre, all out campaign to save one of their own. It's like joe is a made man. What the powers that be are saying, in so many words, is that made men like joe have a life-long appointment to the Senate and has a right to be there until he decides to give up his seat.

Think also about this. The powers that be in the Dem party who are fighting to keep joe in office say that he has senority and they don't want to lose him for that reason. But if that really was a concern, why didn't Cynthia McKinney get her senority back when she returned to the House after missing one term? The easy answer is Cynthia didn't and doesn't belong to the club--she refuses to obide by those unwritten rules when they interfere with her oath of office.

Yes, it's all about belonging to the club.