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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 11:16 AM
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America Struggles With Its Own Evangelical Taliban
"At this late stage of the Bush rapture, American evangelism is a lot like the Exxon Valdez: Massive, sloshing with oily energy and not a little drunk on its power as it steers through hazards of its own designs. The moment evangelicals began tearing down the church-state wall, the rubble became their shoals. The wreck will be ugly. It will take years to mend because, as one of their own, Minnesota's Rev. Gregory Boyd, recently put it: "Never in history have we had a Christian theocracy where it wasn't bloody and barbaric. That's why our Constitution wisely put in a separation of church and state." Meanwhile, too much damage is being done by policies keyed to the "Battle Hymn of the Republic" not to have lasting consequences abroad and at home.

The wreck's effects abroad are spreading. Remember William Boykin, the Army lieutenant-general who went around Christian congregations after Sept. 11, telling them how he knew that "my" God "was bigger than his" (one of Osama's lieutenants), "that my God was a real God, and his was an idol"? Instead of being relegated to sorting junk mail in a Pentagon basement, Boykin was promoted to undersecretary of defense for intelligence -- including the supervision of prison interrogations. It's "his" God against the jihadis now in Iraq and Afghanistan, and apparently "his" God against the Constitution or the Geneva Conventions.

The evangelical assault on secular values at home is no less dangerous than its Islamic variant. It's a difference of degrees, not substance. The difference is hard to see when evangelicals eagerly thump for blood-letting abroad or stage-manage it like Boykin and his crusading commander-in-chief do. John Hagee is a Texas evangelical and leader of that hybrid known as the Christian Zionist movement. He commands a huge following and the ear of politicians, Bush among them. Earlier this month Hagee led a rally of 3,500 evangelicals at a Washington hotel, where he called Israel's attacks on Lebanon a "miracle of God" and proof that Israel was doing God's work. Hagee was quoted in The Wall Street Journal as saying that for Israel to show restraint would violate "God's foreign policy statement" toward Jews. Bush sent Hagee a message of praise for "spreading the hope of God's love and the universal gift of freedom."

When he's not thumping for Israel, Hagee raises money for Republican causes and beats war drums in line with his clash-of-civilizations thesis. "This is a religious war that Islam cannot -- and must not -- win," he wrote in a recent book. He also sees the United States heading toward a nuclear confrontation with Iran, itself a fulfillment of a joyful promise: "The end of the world as we know it is rapidly approaching," he writes. "Rejoice and be exceedingly glad -- the best is yet to be." In other words, war is a good thing, rapturous and necessary and sealed with a kiss from God, as the world edges toward Armageddon. The Bush presidency is that evangelical view's self-fulfilling prophesy. Militants for Hezbollah, Hamas and the Taliban speak the very same language. Only the roles are reversed."

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0801-28.htm
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 11:24 AM
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1. Avery article on Christian Fascism a while back which seems to hit...
...the nail on the head>

<snip>
January 12, 2005

"Fighting for the Work of the Lord"
Everybody's Talkin' About Christian Fascism
By GARY LEUPP

Commentators right and left are talking about fascism in the U.S. of A. Libertarian conservative Lew Rockwell, in a recent article entitled "The Reality of Red-State Fascism," declares, "what we have alive in the US is an updated and Americanized fascism."

Fellow libertarian Justin Raimondo, in a piece called "Today's Conservatives are Fascists," calls the neocons shaping U.S. foreign policy "fascists, pure and simple." United Methodist minister Rev. William E. Alberts accuses some of Bush's followers of upholding a "super religion displaying tendencies similar to Hitler's super race with its fascist ideology of superiority."

Meanwhile the Revolutionary Communist Party circulates in the tens of thousands a statement declaring that "Bush and his people" are "Christian Fascists---dangerous fanatics who aim to make the U.S. a religious dictatorship and to force this upon the world." This is quite a wide spectrum of anti-fascist opinion.

I think it's good the f-word is out there, and the issue on the table. Fascism needs to be discussed. I thought so in October 2002, when I wrote an essay posted on CounterPunch, "Talking to Your Kids About Fascism." It was a presented as a quiet talk one might have with preteens, delivered with the simple clarity and sobriety one might assume when talking with one's young about drug use or sex or any serious issue. My point at the time was fascism's not just a phenomenon unique to 1930s and 40s and defeated in 1945 but something that can recrudesce. One should be alert for warning signs. <more>

http://www.counterpunch.org/leupp01132005.html

<other links>
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5648.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_fascism

http://www.opednews.com/blaker042004_theocratic_dreams_christian_fascism.htm

http://dialoginternational.typepad.com/dialog_international/2005/05/christian_fasci.html

There is lots more on this subject on the internet, but this seems to sum it up for me:

"First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me."
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nosillies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 11:27 AM
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2. Tristam is on the editorial staff of my local newspaper
Edited on Tue Aug-08-06 11:28 AM by amybhole
All of his work is interesting and insightful. For those who want more, check out these links.

www.news-journalonline.com
www.pierretristam.com (aka Candide's Notebooks)

edit: spelling
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 11:31 AM
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3. Well yar. It is crazy. Back to Puritan days
Fools do not understand they would not even have a church if we had lived by their rules once this country got started. And it always happens that the very same people go after their own people to get them more and more in line. With these people in power we would had heads up on a London Bridge. People have to be mad to want that life back. Frankly I think they are just plain bad Am.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 11:48 AM
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4. The Taliban is 'alive and well'
among the polygamist Mormons along the Arizona - Utah border. There are too many Mormons in both state legislatures, who give their tacit approval, to bring the offenders under control
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