Inside the world of "Girls Gone Wild" douchbag, Joe Francis

[gatorboy]

I knew the guy was a prick but had no idea how far down the rabbit hole it went...

http://www.latimes.com/features/magazine/west/la-tm-gonewild32aug06,0,2664370.story

Joe Francis, the founder of the "Girls Gone Wild" empire, is humiliating me. He has my face pressed against the hood of a car, my arms twisted hard behind my back. He's pushing himself against me, shouting: "This is what they did to me in Panama City!"

It's after 3 a.m. and we're in a parking lot on the outskirts of Chicago. Electronic music is buzzing from the nightclub across the street, mixing easily with the laughter of the guys who are watching this, this me-pinned-and-helpless thing. Francis isn't laughing.

He has turned on me, and I don't know why. He's going on and on about Panama City Beach, the spring break spot in northern Florida where Bay County sheriff's deputies arrested him three years ago on charges of racketeering, drug trafficking and promoting the sexual performance of a child. As he yells, I wonder if this is a flashback, or if he's punishing me for being the only blond in sight who's not wearing a thong. This much is certain: He's got at least 80 pounds on me and I'm thinking he's about to break my left arm. My eyes start to stream tears.

This is not what I anticipated when I signed up for a tour of Joe Francis' world. I've been with him nonstop since early afternoon, listening as he teases employees, flying on his private jet, eating fast food and watching young women hurl themselves against his 6-foot-2-inch frame, declaring, "We want to go wild!"

[ShortnFiery]

1. Forgive me if my initial impression is less than sympathetic ...

:eyes:

[GodlessBiker]

3. She's either lying or is really stupid.

[Orrex]

7. Or she was having a fun time on a beach when someone snapped the pic

And slapped the caption onto it.

Hell, it's just as likely that the original pic was posted to photobucket (or the like) and someone who didn't even know her captioned it.

No need for us to blast her without knowing the backstory. If she truly is an Attention Whore, after all, we'll have plenty of opportunities to blast her later, right?

[RebelOne]

9. That's not the reporter.

She stated in the story that she was a blonde.

As he yells, I wonder if this is a flashback, or if he's punishing me for being the only blond in sight who's not wearing a thong.

[Orrex]

32. Oh--I misunderstood the post, then

I thought it was a commentary on the young woman in the picture.

Oops.

[mistertrickster]

4. I could swear girls didn't look that good when I was a teen-ager.

Now I wonder is it me or them? Hmmm . . .

[kenny blankenship]

5. Pay her Attention huh? I guess it's getting cheaper all the time

Question for DU economists:
Are these falling prices in a period of general price inflation due to sudden drop in demand or sudden increase in supply?

[MercutioATC]

2. A journalist that's never heard of a qwerty keyboard?

That's just unbelievable. :wow:


Oh, and yes, the guy's a prick, too.

[Dora]

11. I took typing classes on a typewriter in high school, 1984.

I had never heard of the QWERTY keyboard until 1993 at the earliest.

[MercutioATC]

15. I learned it in grade school...1970's.

...and we must be about the same age because I graduated high school in 1985.

I thought it was common knowledge.

[Dora]

16. It didn't come up in my class. But, I was usually passing notes.

My personal theory is that the QWERTY concept became culturally familiar as changes in computer keyboards were attempted in the late 80s and early 90s. Remember all those?

If the author of that article is young enough (I suspect she is) then she would have missed the QWERTY meme.

MHS, Class of 1987!

[MercutioATC]

18. Reflecting on the time, you're probably right.

Had it not been for the attempted "innovations" in keyboards, QWERTY would probably never have been an issue.

[Orrex]

23. I can't speak with any authority beyond experience

But I never even heard of a Dvorak keyboard until about 1991, and I'd seen a few hundred QWERTY-style keyboards (manual, electric, and computer) by that time.

FWIW.

[RaleighNCDUer]

20. Yeah. When it's the only optiion, there's no need to name it such.

I've been using the standard keyboard since the late 50s and I never heard it called the qwerty keyboard until the 90s.

[immoderate]

22. A keyboard invented by Hans Rudolph Qwerty?

Very famous.

--IMM

[TahitiNut]

6. Youth is wasted on the young.

It's funny what age has done to me. When I was a young man, I'd look and think "It'd be nice to have a body like that." Now, I look and think "It'd be nice to have a body like that." You might ask "what's 'funny' about that?" Well, the answer is that I mean something completely different than when I was young, as I hold onto two handrails as I climb the stairs.

:dunce:

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[HamdenRice]

10. Read the whole article ... it's much, much worse than you could imagine

The reporter documents very convincingly that he rapes a girl on her 18th birthday during the period the reporter was spending with him and his enterouge. He's not just a scumbag -- he is a complete criminal rapist.

[mistertrickster]

12. I read the whole thing. Yup, "no one ever got rich over-estimating

the mind of the American public." Really sad . . . drunk, needy girls and a vicious predator that uses them.

One of these days, some father is going to grow a pair and give this animal what it deserves.

[Dora]

14. Yeah, no kidding.

Francis is practically begging for vigilante intervention. I hope he finds it.

[HamdenRice]

37. Probably alread happened --dy'hear about Francis getting anally raped???

Part of the article relates that a year or so ago, some guy broke into his home, held a gun to his head and forced him to stick a vibrator up his ass while the gunman taped the whole thing.

The article doesn't say that the assailant, who was caught and convicted, was the father of one of the girls, but let's just say what goes around comes around.

Several fathers have sued the bastard, however.

[Dora]

13. Hey, everyone? Read this, please, and recommend.

It's a fascinating and repellent article. It accurately portrays the intellectual and emotional condition of many adolescent women in this country.

Our sisters and daughters are not defending themselves. We must help them.

As for Francis, I hope he winds up in prison some day, broke and broken.

[RaleighNCDUer]

17. That's some article.

This guy sees himself as the next Hugh Heffner? How many restraining orders have been issued against Hef? How many Playmates have accused him of drugging and raping them?

This guy is scum.

[distantearlywarning]

28. This man is nothing like Hef.

Hef isn't perfect, but he at least has some class. This guy is a total slimeball.

And Hef doesn't have to force pretty girls to have sex with him.

[elehhhhna]

30. Yep. Hef does it the old fashioned way. He pays them.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

19. What a wretched creature.

K&R

[unpossibles]

21. wow. what a sleeze

and it keeps mentioning how much this 18 year old is drinking.... Who was buying those shots for her, so that she could be taken advantage of?

[TorchTheWitch]

24. I can't decided which is more disgusting

The fact that this guy is obviously a criminal sexual preditor or that the reporter after graphically describing what he did to her wouldn't press charges.

"I would've been happy to put the guy in jail." He had advised me to press charges that night, but I declined.

[ProfessorGAC]

27. That's What I Thought Too

There was this same bit here yesterday and i read the whole article. Not only is this guy a piece of dirty work, but he committed assault and battery. What a tool! And so is she for not making him pay. He should never have led a finger on that woman. Not One!

The Professor

[IselaB]

29. Pressing charges might have prevented publishing the article

Could they publish this article if she had a pending legal case against him? I'm not sure, but I suspect not. I think this article is a much more effective way of confronting him than pressing charges in this situation.

[ProfessorGAC]

31. I Think It Could Be

She may have had to leave out the part about the assault. But, other than that, it could be published as long as it was true.

And, i don't think this is a more effective way to get back at him. Guys like this cretin CRAVE publicity. They don't believe in bad publicity, only publicity.
The Professor

[TorchTheWitch]

34. More effective?

How is it more effective to write about what happened to her and not press charges than to press charges which would make the dude have to face a criminal trial? Is it somehow BETTER that this cretin NOT do jail time?

The guy's assault on the reporter was witnessed by POLICE, had to be broken up by the dude's OWN bodyguard, and the police officer who witnessed it wanted to arrest him right then. The guy ADMITTED to the reporter's editor that he roughed her up... how would he NOT be found guilty in a criminal trial?

[IselaB]

39. Why don't you read the story

The guy has had several legal problems. He's been accused of many things, including rape and child pornography. You think he's going to be taken down because he twisted a reporter's arm behind her back? Whatever happened, it WAS witnessed by police, who didn't feel any urgent need to intervene, or to prevent him from approaching her later and touching her shoulders and hair.

Getting this story out in the LA Times is OBVIOUSLY a better plan, and far more effective at undermining this guy's power, than trying to engage him in some minor legal battle that nobody would ever hear about.

Why do people argue just for the sake of arguing? I know you people aren't dumb, so you're arguing just for the sake of arguing.

[TorchTheWitch]

51. Why don't YOU read the story

The police officer said he wanted to arrest the guy right then but didn't because he had been misinformed what their relationship was and she told him she didn't want to press charges. When he grabbed her arm and pulled it behind her back, the police officer was going to intervene then regardless of what he was told and called for back-up. It was HER that kept him from being arrested at the time. The police who saw her later with him touching her weren't the same ones who witnessed his assault on her, and even if they were, since she told them not to do anything about him they wouldn't have. This kind of stuff happens in domestic violence cases all the time... if the person abused doesn't want to press charges, they can't do anything even if they want to.

So far, the cretin has won any criminal cases against him even though one that should have been a slam dunk went in his favor because the judge determined vital evidence was illegally obtained. The girl she spoke of in the article that was raped by him isn't going to press charges, so he'll walk on that one, too. The only other cases have been civil and settled out of court.

The whole reason this guy has walked on all his various crimes is that nobody is willing to throw the book at him. It's a damn shame that that one case he would have gone down for involved illegally obtained evidence, which is why he walked away from that one laughing all the way. NOTHING is going to happen to this guy until someone is willing to press charges against him without fiddling with the evidence. All this reporter is doing is ensuring that he's free to keep doing these disgusting criminal things when she could have gotten him back into a slam dunk criminal trial he couldn't have walked away from. Now, the only way he'll be taken down is if he hurts someone again that is willing to do something about it. With everything this guy did to her and everything she found out about him, SHE could have been the one to stop him and chose not to.

Writing about it doesn't do shit. People already know what a cretin he is, and there are plenty of people that are even envious of him. They'll still buy his videos, and keep making him rich until someone he hurts is willing to press charges and put him behind bars where he belongs. Just writing the article isn't going to stop him from hurting anyone else... nothing stopped him from hurting all the people he has already. All the reams of articles about Michael Jackson being a pedophile didn't stop him from preying on kids, did it? All the reams of articles about the crimes of *BushCo haven't done shit either for the same reason... no one is legally holding them accountable. This article won't make a dent in this dude's income, it won't stop him from continuing what he's been doing, and someone else is going to get hurt. The ONLY way to stop him is if someone is willing to press charges and he gets some jail time. Why do you think this guy continues to do these things? Because he's long since discovered that he CAN, nothing will happen to him, and he'll keep making money hand over fist.

DO NOT put words in my mouth. I am not arguing for the sake of argument, I'm disgusted by this woman allowing this guy to walk away from yet another violent crime when she KNOWS he'll do it again to someone else just as he's always done.

[IselaB]

54. She could charge him. Nothing would come of it. And it might interfere

with her being able to expose him in the Los Angeles Times. You're being foolish. She has attacked him in a way far more effective and powerful than any of the women he has victimized before. Every woman who feels victimized by him is comforted reading this story and knowing he has been bested by a woman who had the power to truly take him to the mat.

[kenny blankenship]

36. Or does she hope to get ahead by being exploited--another girl reporter

gone wild?

[undergroundpanther]

42. People who are or have been traumatized

React that way sometimes under psychological extremis.

She may have come from an abusive family or environment - which conditioned her to expect abuse as inevitable and "normal". In extreme and rare cases - the victim is a masochist, possessed of an urge to seek ill-treatment and pain. Gradually, the victims convert these unhealthy emotions and their learned helplessness in the face of persistent "gaslighting" into psychosomatic symptoms, anxiety and panic attacks, depression, or, in extremis, suicidal ideation and gestures/..

And to do stuff like NOt press charges..

http://www.caseassist.com/abstracts/coersion.htm

[madmusic]

25. Law Enforcement

"In January 2004, as news reports recounted, he was forced at gunpoint to simulate sodomizing himself with a vibrator as an intruder videotaped him in his Bel-Air mansion. A 28-year-old named Darnell Riley was arrested 14 months later, after police received a tip from Paris Hilton. Riley pleaded guilty to robbery and attempted extortion and was sentenced to 10 years and eight months. He is serving his time in Corcoran State Prison."

The perfect metaphor for the spirit of our times. Saint Darnell is like a cop taking a bribe in return to not taking someone to jail. The Inquisition. The Witch Hunts. Serial killers killing prostitutes. Pouring scalding oil on a sleeping man. Mandatory life for non-violent crimes. It's all the same thing.

A whole lot of people who hate Francis are pissed because they didn't think of "Girls Gone Wild" first.

[undergroundpanther]

44. I hope people

Stop liking the exploitation of the powerless and stop getting off on the effects of trauma and child abuse that is surfacing in teens.

Human beings can survive without porn.

And frankly I think sexuality will go on as it has before,and it will be just as fun for sexual people to do sex when they both consent,when porn is dead,gone and loses it's fake sickening dehumanized appeal . I dream of that day when more males truly understand the kind of cocercion and abuse it takes to make a girl think going wild with an abusive asshole like francis will give them a brief respite from the crushing hurt of broken self esteem trauma creates and the social invisibility it heaps upon victims..And a chance to "make it" in a world that sees her as a nobody if her legs are closed. Someday maybne people will love each other instead of themselves and the fantasies in thier heads.

[madmusic]

52. You don't get it.

A lot of them, if not most, are sick of the collar around their necks. This is more about cutting themselves free than "making it." Creating and enforcing trivial taboos and trying to control people is exactly what leads to "collar cutting."

On the other hand, putting on a collar just to spite the Mommy Dearests can be as equally rebellious.

[IselaB]

55. Amen, sister.

"And frankly I think sexuality will go on as it has before,and it will be just as fun for sexual people to do sex when they both consent,when porn is dead,gone and loses it's fake sickening dehumanized appeal . I dream of that day when more males truly understand the kind of cocercion and abuse it takes to make a girl think going wild with an abusive asshole like francis will give them a brief respite from the crushing hurt of broken self esteem trauma creates and the social invisibility it heaps upon victims..And a chance to "make it" in a world that sees her as a nobody if her legs are closed. Someday maybne people will love each other instead of themselves and the fantasies in thier heads."

Amen.

[distantearlywarning]

26. Somebody posted this yesterday

It made me sick to my stomach. This guy is a monster.

And it's also very disturbing to me that there are so many girls out there who are willing to do this. I was a pretty crazy college co-ed, and a good-looking one too, and I would NEVER have done the GGW thing. I can't imagine my friends at that time doing it either (and some of them were significantly hotter than the girls on GGW). How come I knew that this kind of activity was demeaning and would make me a pathetic person at age 21, and none of these girls know that? Is this a generational thing or what?

Is this the only way that today's girls know how to gain self-esteem - through their bodies?

[LostinVA]

33. Seriously? To an extent, yes

This segues into the rather heated discussions the last two days about sexually degrading lyrics. I'd throw videos into the mix, too. When you don't have positive body image and self confidence reinforcement in your family life,and you constantly are having this media message of women slammed into your head, what happens?

I have a 14-year-old niece who has her head on straight about herself... and, that's thanks to a supportive family, good male and female role models, and my sister not allowing her OR my 16-year-old nephew to listen to musicians whose messages are often less than affirming towards females.

[Crankie Avalon]

35. Except for his success in business...

...this guy sounds just like George W. Bush. Only in America.

[skygazer]

38. What a sleazeball

I love Arrested Development's satiric take on those videos - "Girls With Low Self-Esteem".

[quiet.american]

40. I'd take bets this scumbag will complete his self-destruction before 40.

[alarimer]

53. Let's hope so

The sooner we are rid of such scum the better. Just hope he realizes what he has done before he goes.

[undergroundpanther]

41. Why do girls do it?

Child abuse is why.
In America 1 in 4 girls are raped before age 18. 1 in four is quite common.
When a little girl is pretty much treated like a nothing gets raped ,She learns the only way she can get recognized as existing is to entice sexually for an abuser adult 's attention.When she becomes a teenager she becomes a sexual attention seeker because the only way she is recognized as existing is by sex.

Don't blame the confused girls being used and do not call them attention whores for thier confused acting out of their traumatic wounds and retraumatization ,whomever you are you sexist ignorant assholes(previous poster with the photo who responsded I mean YOU too).


LOOK at the clothes in malls being sold that are made for little girls or young pre- teenagers. Often they say SHIT like "porn star" and have cherries embroidered on the ass of the short shorts made for what looks like a 6 year old,Or it's a belly bearing t shirt with"hot" on it.To me that's perverse because outr culture is perverse and setting up little girls to be preyed upon by ADULTS.. some MALES like that shit They have money to burn on it,and sell it and market it to confused people who have been wounded and to anyone who has had their self esteem crushed by abuse...

There is too much sexual abuse in this culture,and too many excusers and enablers of abuse. Sad thing is..eventually if abuse becomes normalized nobody will see it as abuse anymore they'll lie to themselves and rationalise it and blame the victims..and abuse will be everywhere,still wounding millions of people and not seen for what it is by even the victims themselves. Yet the scars will remain and spead poison into the future.. Just like Nazi germany never saw the concentration camps. Denial is deadly.

Blame ALL of the abusers of little girls for this.HATE abusers. The adults who dominate,women and hurt kids sexually .All rapists do it in secret places,where they will get away with it or arouind others who will EXCUSE it or say it wasen't really rape,

Abusers of sex they twist the targets trust,coerce them,bribe them,bully them ,flatter them,demand them to not tell, and call them liars if they tell. HATE the pedophiles and incestuous uncles brothers fathers..Outr culture needs to HATE the abusers,Give abusers NO pity, not blame and retraumatize the people broken by abusers

This Francis Modus Operandi is the same as a pedophile. And I hope someone kills him or he kills himself..

Child molesters are reported to selectively target pretty and trusting children (Elliot et al. 1995).
http://www.aifs.gov.au/nch/issues9.html

Sexualization is an effect of child sexual ABUSE trauma.
http://parentingtoolbox.com/hbuild/sexualabuse.htm

No child is psychologically prepared to deal with ongoing or intensive sexual stimulation. Even very young children, two or three years old, may sense that the sexual activity is "wrong," but they are unable to stop it. Children are frequently threatened that if they tell anyone, they will be killed or sent away, or their puppy will be killed; or their whole family will breakup.

Children subjected to sexual over-stimulation, with or without threats, will develop problems. Those older than five years of age become caught between loyalty to or dependence on the perpetrator, and shame at doing something "wrong." Over time, the child develops low self-esteem, feelings of being worthless or "dirty," and an abnormal view of sexuality. How do you recognize such children? There are many signs:

* Withdrawal and mistrust of adults

* Suicidality

* Difficulty relating to others except in sexual or seductive ways

* Unusual interest in or avoidance of all things sexual or physical
Read more...

http://www.aaets.org/article31.htm

I hate GGW and I hope the company crashes and this monster profiting off it is dead someday.

[Nevernose]

45. And the 3/4 that AREN'T molested are inundated w/ this shit

On several different channels, starting at 8 or 9 o'clock, every commercial block begins inundating people with this attitude that, I don't know, "young women are supposed to be sluts and whores." Girls Gone Wild isn't the only culprit, just the most obvious: Brittney Spears has been selling herself very successfully as a child prostitute for years; hip-hop just gets worse and worse in it's glorification of the degradation of women and the men that do the degrading (NWA seems almost tame by comparison to some of the stuff I hear or see); hell, remember the Billy Idol video "Cradle of Love" from almost 20 years ago featuring an incredibly attractive, incredibly sexual 14 year old? (I do, but I was also 14 at the time, though I don't think they were "selling her" to just me).

I don't think we should return to an era of Puritnical Prudishness -- sex is a good thing, and we should be open and honest about it. But we should be able to do this without corporate pedophiles cashing in on rendering women little better than whores and men little better than whoremongers.

And while I certainly agree with you on the subject of child molestation and the sexual abuse of children (don't lock 'em up and throw away the key -- just weld the door shut), these days even CHILD ABUSE is a billion-dollar industry. Yes, Dr. Phil and Oprah may be good people trying to shine a light on the problem, but they're also exploiting people for the sake of advertising revenue. Child molesters are some of their biggest ratings. A hundred other TV and radio hosts air this stuff daily, and America tunes in, not because they care about child abuse, but because of the same sick fascination with other people's horror that makes us watch car wrecks or watch TV shows like "Real Coroner Stories." The only thing Cable News likes better than the rape and kidnapping of a little girl is the rape, kidnapping, and brutal murder of a little girl.

I bet I can walk into any Barnes & Noble or Borders in the country and find 100 self-help books or more in either store about the subject of child abuse or rape. And I suspect that the authors of these books, for the most part, did not write them just to cash in. However, those bookstores are turning a tidy profit on them -- they ain't giving them away for free, now are they?

And who's buying all of this? We are.

[undergroundpanther]

48. Well

Instead of buying and gawking.. what is it that makes people fascinated from afar. Why don't they listen to victims,cry with them,show some compassion and care? What makes people be so selfish and fascinated and refuse to help.they see the blood and hear the screams but sit on their ass and gawk,as the victim /target screams for help. Why Why? Why do bystanders just stand there? Than afterward wring their hands in shame and other bystanders say,it's ok to by-stand and chicken out..People know what abuse is, why do they excuse it? And almost cherish it?

People are sick depraved cowards when they face a dominating piece of shit.
It may come down to the domination model of childrearing or something else. Regardless it has got to stop. Because maintaining this sick twisted social hierarchy of privlege,abuse or be abused,and blaming victims is killing the sanity in us all. We need to stop playing make believe about abusive and corrupt behaviors and people and stop tolerating,excusing and rationalizing this shit,it's hurting people .It's hurting so many people the culture is normalizing abuse.No wonder the suicide rate for teens is so high..

[undergroundpanther]

43. Francis is a criminal

In his seminal essay, "Understanding the Batterer in Visitation and Custody Disputes", Lundy Bancroft sums up the asymmetry in favor of the offender:

"Batterers ... adopt the role of a hurt, sensitive man who doesn't understand how things got so bad and just wants to work it all out 'for the good of the children.' He may cry ... and use language that demonstrates considerable insight into his own feelings. He is likely to be skilled at explaining how other people have turned the victim against him, and how she is denying him access to the children as a form of revenge ... He commonly accuses her of having mental health problems, and may state that her family and friends agree with him ... that she is hysterical and that she is promiscuous. The abuser tends to be comfortable lying, having years of practice, and so can sound believable when making baseless statements. The abuser benefits ... when professionals believe that they can "just tell" who is lying and who is telling the truth, and so fail to adequately investigate.

Because of the effects of trauma, the victim of battering will often seem hostile, disjointed, and agitated, while the abuser appears friendly, articulate, and calm. Evaluators are thus tempted to conclude that the victim is the source of the problems in the relationship."

There is little the victim can do to "educate" the therapist or "prove" to him who is the guilty party. Mental health professionals are as ego-centered as the next person. They are emotionally invested in opinions they form or in their interpretation of the abusive relationship. They perceive every disagreement as a challenge to their authority and are likely to pathologize such behavior, labeling it "resistance" (or worse).

In the process of mediation, marital therapy, or evaluation, counselors frequently propose various techniques to ameliorate the abuse or bring it under control. Woe betides the party that dares object or turn these "recommendations" down. Thus, an abuse victim who declines to have any further contact with her batterer – is bound to be chastised by her therapist for obstinately refusing to constructively communicate with her violent spouse.

Better to play ball and adopt the sleek mannerisms of your abuser. Sadly, sometimes the only way to convince your therapist that it is not all in your head and that you are a victim – is by being insincere and by staging a well-calibrated performance, replete with the correct vocabulary. Therapists have Pavlovian reactions to certain phrases and theories and to certain "presenting signs and symptoms" (behaviors during the first few sessions). Learn these – and use them to your advantage. It is your only chance.


http://www.toddlertime.com/sam/abuse/guilt-of-the-abused.htm

[distantearlywarning]

47. Thanks for posting this.

This actually happened to me in an abusive relationship. I have never trusted therapists since that happened. I also relate to the "performance" thing above - my own experiences with the abuser-therapist dynamic taught me that if you are victimized in this world the very best thing you can do is to be more suave and calm than the asshole who did it to you (which is, as your article points out, insincere). Sadly, people always think that the less hysterical party is in the right, when generally it is exactly the opposite in this world. Abusers have no need to be upset, while victims often have countless reasons. Why can't other people see that?

I also work in a related field, and know many clinical psych people - many of them are considerably crazier and less well-adjusted than the people they treat and worse, have immense (misplaced) faith in their own wisdom and abilities compared to other people. Abusers are quite manipulative and despite what most therapists believe about themselves, they can't see through that kind of BS any better than the layperson.

[undergroundpanther]

49. It hurts doesen't it?

Was discussing it here too..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1849588&mesg_id=1849588

[undergroundpanther]

50. It goes deep

The Earth is dying, because we chose to pretend bad people are good people.We trusted smooth talking calm rational abusive people that say what we want to hear and ignored the screaming canaries victims warning us that our culture is getting too sick....Now the Earth will do her dance on us with the angry look of Kali,dancing with humanities heart in her hands wrapped in flames as the planet dies..For what we failed to do is listen,to empathize,to stop the games of abuse or be abused.We failed to relate to the least and different and let them be and help them become.We refused to see sexuality as a sacred thing and made it a product and a selfish gratification game.We let the evil critical parental voice of abuse rule our hearts,we let the petulant child tell us what to be,and let it grab and grab regardless of who is hurt by it,and who's dignity and humanity is crushed and twisted. We warped and twisted what consent means..We let the coward made of situations direct our steps,in selfishness.

We failed to have the guts and nobility to tend the wounded among us and listen and love them,help, protect them from the predatory ones.We loved the abusers of the vulnerable and adored the control fantasies they sell more than we love our own kids and loved ones.
Look at the michael jackson trial for an example.Denial runs deep...

We failed to share ourselves and relate as equals. We failed to see our relations,are each other and the world. WE failed to care..to keep each other safe.To love who is dying for want of love.Abusers took their sex because we do not remember how to love....those in pain.Because it is painful to care. And that is the ultimate human cowardice.

No.. As a culture America and most of this world has fell in love with our own fantasies of power, the fantasy of being little gods rulers and shapers of destiny, if we just beat everyone else down,we can make a mark..and so we went the path of domination..

And that is why we lie so much about pain in ourselves our lives each other,and are seduced by the smooth talking perpetrator over the hoarse cries of the wounded canary in the coal mine dying from the rancid fumes of our own cowardly want of self serving power. Our culture is the dream of those who dominate us, It may be too late to wake up and heal the millions hurt by the greedy and powerful ones we let tell us how to feel about how we hurt,before this Earth is dead.

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46. I expected him to be a creep but this guy is a criminal

and will eventually land in jail. :nopity: