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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 10:49 PM
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Yes or No : A Lieberman defeat will be good for the Democratic Party
What impact will a Lieberman defeat have on the Party. No doubt, more than a few Democrats will take notice. If Joe Lieberman can be defeated, then so can they. What a sobering thought! After all, Holy Joe had one of the most secure seats in the Senate. Or so he thought...

This is not a good time for Republicans to be on the side of their unpopular President. And it's certainly not a time for a Democrat to befriend such a loser as George W Bush. To do so is to dig your own political grave. One would have thought Lieberman would have been smart enough to know that?

But, in the grand scheme, I think it will be good for our Party. It doesn't mean the Party has made a sharp left turn. It means we have stopped turning to the right. We have gone far enough and we are not going any further. Those that wish to desert us to go with them do so at their own risk. And I have a hunch, the people are not yet thru cleaning...More are coming in the fall. It is not safe to be an incumbent.
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Texifornia Donating Member (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 10:51 PM
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1. YES
Very good for the party.
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 03:07 AM
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29. FANTASMO for DEMOCRACY!!! Wayne Newton sings... "Auf Lieberman"
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 10:52 PM
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2. Of course! It's already got the DLC starting to shake itself up
Once more said organization is trying desperately to match the political winds of the moment rather than trying to fan its own.
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 11:09 PM
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11. Yes, we have to get rid of "voting for him because I always did before"
as well as to shake the center/right of the party. Just because corporatism is rampant in our news and our Senate and House does not mean that the corporatist elements (DLC and Blue Dogs) have to accept their word as to the party's direction.

Why be a Democrat when you could be Olympia Snowe or Lincoln Chaffee?
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 10:53 PM
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3. Good for the elite.
Seems like the only people running these days are either multi-millionares themselves, or backed by them. The class gap continues to widen.

I hope Lamont is as good for the COUNTRY as his message implies. But we all know how quickly the message can change. And I hope we know that real change will not come from the top.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 10:56 PM
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4. Yes. Without hesitation.
It will be a great day when SENATOR LAMONT takes office in place of a repuke apologist.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 10:58 PM
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5. Nothing would be better for the party right now
Except maybe a Bush resignation.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 10:58 PM
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6. Not only good for the Dem Party but for the entire Hosue & Senate!
I think it will send shock waves through all incumbants! Far too many of them think they're soo damn secure MOBODY can ever defeat them. I think it will ahve an great impact on all of them, as well it should!

The next thing I'm waiting for is the thud of Santorum falling on his..... in November! He also thought he was the #3 guy in the Party and couldn't be defeated!

I really don't want to see all the DINO Dems gone. I think we need the experience and knowledge a lot of them have to head committees and know how to get things done. But I sure want to see the fear of the voter shake them up a lot and get them back to doing their damn job!
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Crewleader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 10:58 PM
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7. Good For Our Party
Yes Indeed My Friend...:hi:
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 10:58 PM
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8. I think a Lieberman loss means Lamont spoke more to CT's
concerns than the senior Senator and got more votes.

Don't mean to be glib, I am just a little leery of the wave of analysis sure to follow on the heels of this primary, however it turns out.

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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 10:59 PM
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9. Of Course....defeat the choice of Hannity and Coulter.....
sounds pretty fucking cut and dry to me......
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 11:06 PM
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10. Yes
We'll have gotten rid of the Republican's go-to guy when they want a bipartisan sheen on their crackpot ideas. The absence of his sunny boy-am-I-glad-to-be-here face on television and in the Rose Garden will mean the likes of Timmy, Tweety, Billy, and Annie won't have so many slack off days when they can breeze through a set just shooting the shit with Joe.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 11:20 PM
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12. Many voters tomorrow may cast votes against Lieberman because
possibly they feel that he has abandoned his representation of their objections to Bush's immoral administration.

I would be very proud to stand with them and cast a vote for Ned Lamont. As it is I'll be tuned in to see the early returns.

Excellent question and analysis, kentuck.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 11:20 PM
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13. Yes. It could be the trigger that saves the party and the country
No matter the stupid spin, we know that this is about who gets their voices heard--who is represented--in DC-->>constituents v $pecial intere$t.

Truly, it scares the shit out of me to see how far certain people (certain dems, the media, the republican party) will go to protect their power structure. Fuck, no wonder Lieberman could pull out of most of his ad buys--the fucking media is promoting him for free. You know what else is scary? Knowing that Lieberman will trash Democratic voters if/when he loses, and that he will be joined by the choir.

Really, I have a sick feeling in my gut. If/when Lamont wins, the power $tructure will not take it lying down. Expect a full on attack.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 11:22 PM
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14. good goood goood goooood for party!! n/t
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:17 AM
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15. Yes
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SofaKingLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:19 AM
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16. NO!
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Okay, YES.
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jerry611 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:26 AM
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17. It depends....
If people are voting him out because he is a moderate, and if all moderates are on the chopping block, it could spell a dangerous left turn for the party.

I say dangerous because if we turn left, the moderates will bolt to the right. And the GOP will continue to have control of the government.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:37 AM
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22. Lieberman is a self-professed supremacist.
Supremacists can't be moderates in my world.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:27 AM
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18. it will be good for our troops
yes
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:34 AM
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19. Cleaning up the party is a good thing
This guy is a shill for the administration and doesn't even try to play the part of the opposition.
Bye Joe!
I think he sucked as Gore's choice too, but I kept my mouth shut because I thought Al knew what he was doing. Al got duped, I think.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:35 AM
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20. No, because William Kristol says it's anti-semitic to be against Joe.
And William Kristol speaks the truth!

:sarcasm:
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:43 AM
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24. What does Joe's religion have to do with ANYTHING
So glad I'm an atheist.
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:36 AM
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21. Yes n/t
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:41 AM
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23. Most of us are sick of the rabid right wing
like Schiavo, stem cells, anti women rights, etc.

W's theocratic right has become the mainstream GOP, and if Lieberman or anyone else agrees with it, they will pay the costs. Short or long run.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:45 AM
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25. Yes
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 01:07 AM
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26. In A Way, Tom Dashle's Loss Was Good For The Party
It finally ended the illusion for the Democratic leadership that they should be bipartisan with those who date-rapes you.

Purging the party of useless equivocating enabling fair-weather Republicons like Lieberman can only make this party stronger.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 01:40 AM
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27. yes. It is imperative!!
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 01:43 AM
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28. YES - Good For The Party. But I'm afraid...
... every time I get thisclose to thinking it's a turning point for our party, a final anti-war move that sends the ultimate message, we just don't get it together.

We come thisclose, but we lose.

I'm thinking last summer, when I was working my knuckles off on the Paul Hackett campaign. We looked forward to sending the ultimate anti-war special election all-the-attention's-on-us message to Washington by electing Hackett. In the waning days, it looked like we'd pull it off.

We didn't. Jean won. Since then, she's gone on to great things, you know:



Everyone said, "Well, it's a moral victory, an anti-war veteran got that many votes in the 4th most conservative district in Ohio." That was nice of everyone to say. But here's what we got:



So, voters of Connecticut... I urge you. VOTE tomorrow. Don't think it's a done deal. Don't think 5 points in the polls protects you. You have to show up. You have to send The Message.

Do it for us?

Worried...
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6000eliot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 03:15 AM
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30. Democratic leaders need to know that we will not sit by anymore
while they allow fascists to take over this country. THAT is the lesson of a Lamont victory.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 03:22 AM
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31. Yes...
it should show the DLCers that they are not going to get and keep control of the party.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 04:05 AM
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32. Not only for the party
Edited on Tue Aug-08-06 04:06 AM by mmonk
but America. America needs to turn away from its current insanity course and work for a better world and liberty at home. Yes, he had some good liberal votes, but they are being thrown away for the military industrial complex and an Orwellian "homeland".
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 04:09 AM
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33. Definitely good for the party. The party has gone about as far
to the right as is possible without changing it's name. The party needs to loose a few more like Lieberman and reclaim its base.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 04:11 AM
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34. JOE SUX
Yes, be done with him and all those of his ilk.
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